Link List Name in URLs

[Useless]

This goes out to you newbie free site submitters, many of whom I've to come to assume have entered free site building due to some piece of shit auto-submitting software making the submission process a goddamn mindless breeze.

DON'T USE A LIST'S NAME IN THE FUCKING URL.

(Can you tell that I'm already burned out on dealing with the most recent school of waterheads who have decided to take the plunge into this end of the pool?)

This is a proper free site URL:
http://www.domain.com/free-site-title/index.html

This is NOT:
http://www.domain.com/free-site-title/link-list-name/

Why on bloody Earth would think it's a good idea to use the name of a link list, which you intend on submitting to, in your URL? Why, goddamn you?

And when contacted by the owner of that list, don't lie and act like you were unaware that that word in your URL is indeed a link list's name/domain WHEN YOU FUCKING SUBMITTED TO THAT FUCKING LINK LIST!

This douche is today's example:

chamcham, thank you for submitting Foot Fetish Babes to PerveSpace. I'm
> sorry to say that I've chosen not to accept your submission.
Comments:
> You are using my site's name in your URL. This is an unacceptable
> practice. I am blacklisting this domain and will be in contact with other
> link list owners concerning this. I suggest you remove the site on this
> URL immediately.
Regards,
> UW
URL - http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ffp/ffp1/pervespace/

His FIRST reply: (I bolded for effect)

Good morning.

I had no idea that there was already a site owned by you
with that name. I made the name up on-the-spot. Unfortunately,
I can't take the site down since I would get banned by other link lists
due to 404 errors.

All I can say is that I will promise to never make any other
link list sites with that name. I think the site name is generic
enough that it's possible to have a clash of names. I've even
seen link list entries on other websites with the same exact name.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience.
I had no intention of causing any harm.

His SECOND reply, though I hadn't replied to his first. Go figure:

It really was an honest mistake.

I made up that name on-the-spot. And I think it's
a generic enough name that there are probably many link list
sites with that same name.

I will try to contact as many link list sites as possible and
ask them to take the link down. I can't guarantee that they will
all take the link down, but I will at least tell them to. I will
take care of it this evening.

For future reference, can you tell me the name of all your sites?
I will put it on a list of names that I can't use.

Thanks.

I wonder if he made up these others "on-the-spot" as well.
http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ffp/ffp1/sexsector/
http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ffp/ffp1/xooble/
http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ffp/ffp1/link4all/
http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ff...orncollection/

Of course, it's $2 .info domain that I never would have listed anyway. |shocking| What really pisses me off is the fact that I finally found another guy who could speak and write coherent English and I was forced to blacklist him. I hate this business.

[spacemanspiff]

Hey UW, I've always wondered what the problem with that was. I'm not trying to bust your chops here. We have a database where we enter info on all the sites we review, and I've seen that come up as a reason to not accept a site.

I guess I should ask the person that entered that as a reason to reject a site, and I will. But I think getting it on the board will let everyone know why it's a bad fucking idea.

I reject sites every day when I see that in the database, and I don't have a clue why. I just know I trust the guy that put it in the database.

[Xallow]

I have had a few of those submits too, they were all declined for reasons other than this, but I would like to know why it is a bad idea too.

[Useless]

If you don't mind the unique name of your site being used as a keyword to gain/steal SE traffic, then you won't care. But I do mind. Obviously, merely having a recip to a link list on a free site gives that free site the possibility of getting SE type-in traffic for that Link List's name - nothing we can do about that. It's not a malicious attempt at stealing SE traffic. But using your site's name as directory name or page name IS an attempt at stealing your SE type-ins for that name.

I think we all have enough on our plates with filling out Google SPAM reports to kill off those bastardly SE spammers ripping our pages and using our domain names as keywords, which we've worked hard to promote. The last thing we need is for submitters to abuse us in a very similar manner.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...What really pisses me off is the fact that I finally found another guy who could speak and write coherent English and I was forced to blacklist him. I hate this business.

Classic Useless!

By the way, I feel the same about any domain with the word 'depraved' in it.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Xallow

I have had a few of those submits too, they were all declined for reasons other than this, but I would like to know why it is a bad idea too.

Not only what Useless said, but if someone is going to name a url with my site as part of it, I'd be wondering if they are even submitting to the other LL's. I list pretty quick so I can't always check.
I haven't seen any yet, but I force people to email me and that seems to be beyond the tech skills of most cheaters

[Alex B]

SheepGuy got it - most of the time you won't find that site submitted to other LLs. Every LL from that recip group will probably have it's own page/folder created and submitted to only that LL. Sites like these are made with help of Chameleon or some other software that helps with creation of duplicate pages and organization of recip links and you can choose to make separate pages/folders for every list or one for every group. Why some people choose to do it the first way? Inexperience... stupidity...

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by Alex B

Why some people choose to do it the first way? Inexperience... stupidity...

I reckon one of the reasons submitters put each LL in a unique folder is to track sales. They are then able to exactly pinpoint which LL sent thru a sale.

The big negative obviously is that you have to set a a folder for each LL and you can imagine the amount of duplication that arises - not good from a se perspective

[stfuvt]

I noticed the same and I thought this is the way CS Link List submitter names these free sites, because the name of the LL used is always first in the recip table and all the sites I get from CS have similar recips linked with mine, but I am not really sure this is the case
Anyway its stupid and I reject them too

[Bobc01]

Something i'm curious about with people using domains/site names as keywords on spam sites, would that have any effect on SE rankings?

I've found a few of my domain names on spammy fake video sites on .cn & .info domains.
They're showing up in the backlinks in google webmaster tools and the more i report them the more others appear.

I've just found a load on google groups spamming AFF.

[Useless]

I've received yet another email from the submitter in question, though I still haven't replied to his first one, and it appears that he now understands what I was saying. He thought I was blacklisting him because the title of the his free site was the same as the title of some other free site - and that is why he couldn't comprehend what my problem was. He went on to explain why he named the folders in his file paths the way he did:

I was looking for an easier way to name my folders and thought
a site's name would work. I hadn't read any rules anywhere
saying that it wasn't allowed. I didn't have any evil intentions
and didn't even know that it was a bad idea.

It was a bad newbie mistake, as I had initially assumed, and I can understand and empathize with that.

And Sheepguy is absolutely right, of course. Some of the not so clever submitters create a different folder for each list they submit to. When they do that, you can expect them to attempt all sorts of trickery to see what they can get away with [by making changes on a listed free site] at individual lists.

The lesson here remains the same - don't use a link list's (fucking) name in a URL, no matter the reason.

[CaptainJSparrow]

Here's another one that does the same thing:

http://www.pussydamage.com/freesites...02/debauchery/

I get a handful of those type submissions every week, and I never accept them because I always figured that they only submitted that page to me in the hopes of tracking traffic, possibly changing the page later at their discretion, or some other nefarious activity.

Useless, your guy submitted this site to me and I accepted it:

http://www.fetishpages.info/sites/ff...no3/index.html

I'm not sure what the abbreviations are for, but at least it doesn't say debauchery in it. If ffp, or ffporno, are abbreviations for another site at least your newbie did submit it to my LL as well.

CJS

[koalaTalex]

It sounds like this 'cheater' is making an effort to correct his mistake and doesn't want to be banned. He may not even know that Chameleon has a function to put a copy of the recip page into a new folder for every LL submitted to so you can check traffic for each specific LL (why you would do it this way instead of using your own stats is beyond me).

Maybe give him another chance if he is willing to communicate and rectify the situation with you. Useless, you have helped us so much over the years whenever we do stupid things and your advice has helped us become successful at this.

Newbie's have a hard time understanding that there is no get rich quick scheme to porn, you have to be consistent and follow the rules. Trying new things and see what works and what doesn't. The people that want to be around for years (like us) will try to correct any wrong doings. Cheaters seem to run & hide.

[Useless]

CaptainSparrow - I've only found a few problematic URLs of his doing a site:domain search on Google, so it was probably something he did with his first free site and then discontinued the practice. At this point, I'm fairly certain it was a newbie mistake made by someone who doesn't yet understand our need to be sensitive about SE results. I was angry by his initial response to the rejection when it seemed he was saying that my list's name/domain (pervespace) was generic enough for anyone to have accidentally used as a folder name, when it was obvious that it was an intentional decision. But then he realized that he and I were talking about two different things. I was talking my list's name. He was talking about the free site's title. Oops.

Originally Posted by koalaTalex

Maybe give him another chance if he is willing to communicate and rectify the situation with you.

I am giving him another chance. I told him as soon as he buys a .com or .net and gets his own hosting (his .info domain is hosted by Fetish Hits), then I'd list him. There was nothing at all wrong the free site itself.

[Aspire]

I'm somewhat new and have a question. When you are making multiple site copies for LLs or MGPs, is it unacceptable to to have something like http://www.site.com/hotlesbians/alpha.htm for one grouping of submissions and then /beta.htm for another grouping? Those would be the "warning" pages for LLs or duplicates of your MGP pages. There are usually limits to how many recips you are to use on your pages, so you'd have to make multiple recip filled entrances to really get your site out there to a lot of sites.

I guess what I'm asking is do you always want us to be submitting straight to a folders /index.htm

Thanks!
-A

[moveup07]

It seems that most want an index page, and it's pretty easy to just make a new folder inside your main folder to stick them in. That's what I do and have never had a problem.

[Busty]

Is an index2.html acceptable? Since I am doing 2 tables of 12 free sites per page?

G

[Linkster]

Aspire - that is one way to do it that is pretty much accepted most places

moveup07 - if a site "requires" an index page to be submitted and they arent in the top 10 LLs (and I cant think of one that is that requires it) - then you are wasting your time - make them give you an index page listing if they want an index page recip |goodidea

busty - that is not normally acceptable - you would be better off with index html and index.htm or busty.html etc - the numbers - if you ever get up to more than 2 start looking to the LL owner - if he's on index 125 - that he doesnt count for much