Starting Link List-Need Info

[Licker4U]

I've been thinking a lot about converting my hub/fake link list into a regular link list. I'm looking at several link list scripts and I've read Preacher's thread and would appreciate any other input. Things to worry about, think about, do and not do, link trades, etc. Thanks for your thoughts.

[4dm]

If you still are looking for a script contact me (icq: 334-109-706). I have a good proposal to you.

[ladydesigner]

All I can think of right now is to make sure you absolutely use a script for your link list from the very beginning. I ran Click 4Sex Fun for years by hand with no script. Not a good idea! |badidea|

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by ladydesigner

All I can think of right now is to make sure you absolutely use a script for your link list from the very beginning. I ran Click 4Sex Fun for years by hand with no script. Not a good idea! |badidea|

Absolutely true!

Also, don't even consider a fully custom script. Way more headaches than one needs

There are a couple great scripts out there...since you've read Preachers thread, you no doubt already know about Dragon List. I've heard nothing but rave reviews of that one

Regarding trades...personally, I like to keep them to those I know...simplifies things a bunch

[LowryBigwood]

Dragonlist is the script used on TripleXworld.com as well. Love it!

I've seen Greenie say this a few times and it proved to be true for my LL. Be ready to wait about 3 years for it to perform how it should. My LL is 3 this month and only here recently did things start looking much better.

If I started over again, I'm not sure I'd do any link trades on my index page. I would most likely try a slightly different approach there, such as using main page for link trades or other domains to setup some a>b>c links.

Other than that, just be ready to work hard and long for not much return for a while.

Best of luck, and when you have it live, hit me up for some links.

[ponygirl]

I have to agree with the script, I started by hand too and it gets very time consuming that way when it starts to grow.

If you like to make lots of changes, make sure you get something flexible too. I find myself changing my layout around a lot and it's easier when you have a script that lets you do that easily. (if I wasn't online, I'd be the type of person who re-arranges the furniture on a regular basis lol )

If I had to do it again, I'd also make sure to have more categories than I started with. It's a real pain to make new categories or split big ones up & would have been easier to just start with lots. The only thing about that is to make sure you can fill them up right away (with hfs or your own sites). There's nothing sadder looking than an empty category page

at least you know the ins and outs of LLs & freesites, so that should make it easier. It's a natural progression

good luck

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

There's nothing sadder looking than an empty category page

As a submitter I kinda like being on a near empty page, more traffic for me But I know what you're saying...

Originally Posted by MrYum

There are a couple great scripts out there...since you've read Preachers thread, you no doubt already know about Dragon List. I've heard nothing but rave reviews of that one

Regarding trades...personally, I like to keep them to those I know...simplifies things a bunch

Yep, looking into Dragon List

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

If I started over again, I'm not sure I'd do any link trades on my index page. I would most likely try a slightly different approach there, such as using main page for link trades or other domains to setup some a>b>c links.

Other than that, just be ready to work hard and long for not much return for a while.

Best of luck, and when you have it live, hit me up for some links.

Do many link lists trade links with a main page vs. the index page?

As far as working hard and long for not much return, I'm used to that, I build free sites

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

Do many link lists trade links with a main page vs. the index page?

From what I've seen, there are plenty of LL's that do main page trades as well as index. Some even use a links page, which i'm not really all that crazy about.

Originally Posted by Licker4U

As far as working hard and long for not much return, I'm used to that, I build free sites

Good point.

[Lemmy]

Another vote for Dragon List here. For those who like to redesign their LL every other week, this is the script to go with. Just build your pages any way you like (just plain old HTML), insert the script-generated includes snippet and you're good to go. No hard-to-understand templates.

[Ms Naughty]

Yep, thumbs up for Dragon Links here too. Mishi is very helpful.

[Licker4U]

Thanks for all the input. I'll let you know when I get it going.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

...I've read Preacher's thread and would appreciate any other input. Things to worry about, think about, do and not do, link trades, etc. Thanks for your thoughts.

You read my thread so you pretty much know everything I would suggest, but let me just add two things.

It is my opinion that hardlinks trades do not carry anywhere near the weight they used to. A new linklist is generally desperate for trades. If I were to do it over again I would not have traded with people I do not know well enough from the forum or trust. IMO, you can do just as much damage with a bad link as you could benefit from a good and unless you run it through a script (similiar to how Red Cherry did) you'll have to test those unknown linktrades continuously.

Second, and I know it's been said, but linklists take a long time to be profitable. Here's the part you might not be thinking about though. It's common for LL owner's -- like many posting in this thread -- to have the need or desire to muck with their script. Whether it's a front-end or back end change or just adding banners to an ad script, all of this work will take away from you freesite building, which is essentially what will be driving traffic to your new site. If your income is derived soley from free-site building, I suggest you think this through and come up with a strategy like only work on your LL after your freesite building and submitting is done for the day or you will see not just a loss from the expense, but also a decrease in income.

[VicD]

Originally Posted by Preacher

You read my thread so you pretty much know everything I would suggest, but let me just add two things.

It is my opinion that hardlinks trades do not carry anywhere near the weight they used to. A new linklist is generally desperate for trades. If I were to do it over again I would not have traded with people I do not know well enough from the forum or trust. IMO, you can do just as much damage with a bad link as you could benefit from a good and unless you run it through a script (similiar to how Red Cherry did) you'll have to test those unknown linktrades continuously.

Second, and I know it's been said, but linklists take a long time to be profitable. Here's the part you might not be thinking about though. It's common for LL owner's -- like many posting in this thread -- to have the need or desire to muck with their script. Whether it's a front-end or back end change or just adding banners to an ad script, all of this work will take away from you freesite building, which is essentially what will be driving traffic to your new site. If your income is derived soley from free-site building, I suggest you think this through and come up with a strategy like only work on your LL after your freesite building and submitting is done for the day or you will see not just a loss from the expense, but also a decrease in income.

Cool site you've got there

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

Another vote for Dragon List here. For those who like to redesign their LL every other week, this is the script to go with. Just build your pages any way you like (just plain old HTML), insert the script-generated includes snippet and you're good to go. No hard-to-understand templates.

I haven't checked with anyone at Dragon List but I can go ahead and build my catagory pages now and add the script in later?

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Preacher

If your income is derived soley from free-site building, I suggest you think this through and come up with a strategy like only work on your LL after your freesite building and submitting is done for the day or you will see not just a loss from the expense, but also a decrease in income.

Good advice. That's what I do now with my hub. Build a free site and 8 mirrors, get everything submitted, then work on my hub or other projects.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

I haven't checked with anyone at Dragon List but I can go ahead and build my catagory pages now and add the script in later?

Yes. I also started my LL by hand before investing in a script. Basically you build your page how you want it, and then you will insert a line of code, ssi or php, that will pull your listings into that spot.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

...and then you will insert a line of code, ssi or php, that will pull your listings into that spot.

I guess I should get in touch with someone at Dragon List but since I have your attention I'll ask you Since a line of code or php is used to pull the listings, I assume that means the listings are held in a different folder. Does the script display a set number of links/page randomly or are they displayed newest first, oldest last?

[Maj. Stress]

Licker,
You can set how many listings per page that you want. With Dragon Links you can also display oldest first or newest first. Your choice.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

Licker,
You can set how many listings per page that you want. With Dragon Links you can also display oldest first or newest first. Your choice.

Thanks Major. So, they don't rotate? It's one or the other? When I have a lot of listings the older ones will be buried on page umpty-ump that no one will see?

[Licker4U]

I re-read Preacher's thread and noticed something about staying away from tables. What's wrong with tables?

[Lemmy]

Licker, you can display the links any way you like, old first, new first, randomly, 5 per page or a million per page; your choice. I display the links using tables on both sites where I run the script with no problems. I think the objections were mostly that tables add (unnecessary?) weight to a page. If you check the pages on QP I think you'll agree they load zippety fast, though. Now go out and buy the damn script already!

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

Now go out and buy the damn script already!

As soon as the Bitch opens up her damn purse and gives me some of my money.

[Leesa]

I need a link list script and am considering either Dragon List or
X-Power LinksII (Static Version).
i would appreciate any feedback on pros and cons of these scripts, e.g. ease of use, etc.
Any advice will be appreciated.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

As soon as the Bitch opens up her damn purse and gives me some of my money.

You guys obviously need marriage counseling.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Leesa

I need a link list script and am considering either Dragon List or
X-Power LinksII (Static Version).
i would appreciate any feedback on pros and cons of these scripts, e.g. ease of use, etc.
Any advice will be appreciated.

This thread should give you a few pointers on Dragon List. I'm not familiar with v2 of XPL, but if it's an improvement on the original it's a quality script for sure. It really boils down to your preferences and needs. You can't really go wrong with either. They both have online demos so I suggest giving them a test spin. One thing you can't put a price on though, is prompt and professional support, and Mishi (DL) shines in that respect.