How to get a sale/day

[webCleo]

I am trying and trying and trying, but i can not get to this point. I am working with free-sites right now, iam thinking about blogs. For most of you this is not a problem, a lot of you making much much more than 1 SU/day . I am looking for any help, tips, or anything what could help me.

I realize that i need traffic, but how , it is so difficoult , but please do not tell me that there is no money in porn - i wont give up anyway.
Thank you.

[pornhitzman]

I´m not sure when you started in this biz, but it takes a lot of time to build up sites and traffic to them.. I didn´t really make much until about 2 years after i started.. You know what everyone else is doing (blogs, fs, tgps, lls etc..) so you just have to keep on working and evaluate what works best for you and follow that path..

[Greenguy]

The best advice I can give you is keep building & submitting. Maybe try some submitting some galleries to TGP's as well as the blog.

If you built & submitted one site & one gallery a day, after 2 or 3 months, it's not unconceivable that you'd be getting a sale a day off of the 120-180 sites/galleries you'd have out there.

[webCleo]

Thank you guys, i will keep submitting free sites, aim seting up some blogs, about galleries = do you know any good sites where i can submit for free( like theHun) i know nowadays ppl usually accept submissions with PA, but maybe there are some sites worth submitting?
btw i have a question about free-site. IT is ok to submit one niche for a few days m and than submit another niche for a next few days, or MIX it?

[Mr Exotic]

Pornhitzman and Greenie said it perfectly Just build and submit a free site every single day, give it some time and you will be there. It certainly isnt gonna happen overnight.

[Maj. Stress]

Ask Useless Warrior. He is the master of marketing.

Seriously, just take the advice given. It does take time to build traffic.

[webCleo]

[quote=Maj. Stress;325355]Ask Useless Warrior. He is the master of marketing.

i will for sure


BTW can i post links to my free sites that you could check, maybe i am doing something wrong with my free sites ?

[SheepGuy]

One other bit, as soon as you have 10 or so sites, build a hub and link to it from all of your sites. You'll be amazed at how much traffic you can generate from your sites, to your sites.
When you get a bit bigger either make more hubs in catgories or break your hub into categories. Traffic management is one of the biggest keys.

[babymaker]

one word of advise is think outside the box you obviously are determined and probably smart so spend as much time anylizing things and how they could be better and not following 500K others doing the same thing, that can be hard sometimes but since you aren't going to get rich over night try that you will be happy in the end Tooo many people do the same crap and no better than the others and expect a miracle, find what you're best at and have others help on the rest and be your own boss and just go take that money, cuz it's there for the right smart person who can think....i at this point can make so much more off almost no traffic because i find the right traffic that works, you can do that too good luck!

[webCleo]

Thank you guys, i w i'll do my best, now i ll be posting more, and i let you guys know how iam doing I Do not expect a miracle, i know that in this industry only hard work and a bit of luck can make me a bit rich .

[babymaker]

create your own luck and you're on the right track a few good se positions along the way will only fuck your biz model to hell, a lucky break is talking to some around longer like a program owner with money and knowing what they need to make more money it's not luck, just as in the rest of life seems to me you are on the right track, now sit in front of that box until you can't see any longer lol and you should be alright icq me if you need anything 293125596

[Tvduijn]

As said, just keep working on it, but dont go spit out freesites like a zombie. I did for too long without looking how to improve myself and my sites.

Take a good look at what works and what does not, think about how you can improve your ratios. Just surf at a LL and have a look at what others are doing.

And dont let bad periods get you, everyone has them, as everyone has good periods.

Keep going, and you will get there

[Beenie]

After a period of time submitting your freesites it might be a good idea to look back at those sites and see which ones are making you sales. Then try to put yourself in the surfers shoes and analyze why those sites generate sales and others don't - I know it can sometimes be luck of the listing but you will get a pretty good idea when the base your looking at is big enough.

Make room for trying different approaches and you will eventualy find what you do best and what works best with the traffic sources available to you.

As SheepGuy said - feed your own empire and expand that way

[webCleo]

Thank you guys, you are great!!!!! I will be doing everything you sad + more !! Thank you one more time for all advices

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

Ask Useless Warrior. He is the master of marketing.

See sig.

Outside of gravedigging and perhaps sewage treatment, I can't think of a more disheartening industry to attempt to earn a living at. If it wasn't for an usually supportive wife and an entire array of mental illnesses, I would have given up a long time ago and returned to the workplace. Of course, there are those who could argue that I DID give up, but have failed to go find a real job. ( DrB)

That being said, just keep trudging along and work as many avenues as you can. The amount of competition out there is trememdous, but luckily for us, most of them aren't that smart.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by webCleo

... but please do not tell me that there is no money in porn - i wont give up anyway.
Thank you.

Good for You

Have patience, you'll learn alot here!

[KG Gary]

Some great advice already in this thread - take it all!


I'm at the point now, after around 10 months, where I expect a minimum of one sale per day, but most days it's two and over.
I try and build & submit every day but sometimes it's difficult to maintain that level, especially when trying to keep freesites looking fresh & different.

I currently have over 200 and I submit to around 72 Link Lists with a "normal" niche like mature, or less if it's something more extreme.

I'm having some nice success with occasional galleries at the moment which makes my figures look nice.
I also have a few domains for webcam promotion, which I link to now and then when building freesites.
I'm also keeping track of where those precious sales come from. A recent freesite made three sales from the main page and two from the index page during the first few days of it being listed, so there are a few tips to be found if you look for them.

Gotta keep on building those sites and reading GG&J.
As others have already said you seem to have a good attitude - it will be tested though!

[HowlingWulf]

Doing things the 'free' way can be slow and you're competing with thousands of others out there trying to do the same. If you're willing to spend a few bucks you can jump ahead.

Get your own server. Can be as little as $99/mo i think or less.
A nice domain name for $10.

Since you're doing freesites it should be easy to do TGP galleries, which is where most of my money comes from, so I'll speak on that.

If you can put together nice simple TGP gallery designs, buy partner accts at worldsex/al4a,shemp,richards-realm,pinkworld,etc. for a month. These vary from $35 to $75 or so per month each. This allows you a few things:

1. Chances are good for a sale or two or three from each site will make your money back. Anything over that is good profit.
2. These reviewers are much more likely to give you feedback if they don't like something.
3. They'll now know you as someone willing to spend money. They'll recognize your name and domain. They know you're 99% not a potential cheater. Do this and you will be above the 'free' submitters.

I think it would be hard not to make a profit within the month.

[ronnie]

First question, is what you have done, is that getting surfers to your sponsors? You could build and submit 1,000 free sites, but if they dont pull the clicks, you would be wasting your time and making no money. Are your sites getting listed and traffic coming to them? Learn every avenue of traffic for this biz, there are plenty of good sites on the net to learn. See what works for you and what does'nt. As they say, once you find something that works, repeat, repeat, repeat. You need to track and see if what your doing is working.

ronnie

[SheepGuy]

One more thing, don't depend on free stuff, it's a figment of the collective imagination in this biz. Free host, Free content, etc. There is always a catch coz nobody works for free.
Be as independent as possible, spend a buck when you need to, and diversify, never depend on any one area of the biz but familiarise yourself with as many as you can.

[stfuvt]

I like that thread, amazing advices

[webCleo]

yea, great advices and i thank you ppl for it

[Dodge]

One thing I'd like to ad to this is. Dont concentrate on getting 200k in hits a day. Concentrate on getting Quality traffic. I know some people that have 100k sites, but the quality isn't much, so they dont make much on the site. The better the quality, the more money your going to make. Quality will bring you more sales and make use less bandwith thus saving even more money.

[Tommy]

I wouldnt bet the farm on doing blogs
things like them come and go. I would bet everything in another 8 months your gonna be hearing a lot of crying from people that do blogs

at the risk of sounding spammy I think you just need to submit at more and better places, you should be doing gallerys AND free sites
get that setup as your bread and butter AND THEN go mess around with other stuff

[Allfetish]

Do as the others say, keep working at what you are doing now. But also do not be afraid to explore and try new things. Iis in part a numbers game. If you want to do one sale a day on average, you probably need to figure that you have to send about 1,000 unique clicks to a sponsor per day (could be less or more depending on conversions and traffic quality). Look at what you are sending now and set this goal. It gives you a better metric to use.

Tip: Try converting what you have better now first. Are you using different banners with different girls on the freesite? Have you tried maybe throwing up one of the sponsors related sites also on the freesite? Are you putting a lot of work into your link text in order to get the surfer to want to click?

Take clicks to sponsor / Uniques to freesite = RATIO OF CLICKTHRUS

Try to get this to be at least 5%. If you can manage 10% or more, great! If you are seeing less than 5% with freesites, something is probably wrong and you should look at your banners and links.

Also you can use this to determine how much extra traffic you need to make your goals. If you see an average 5% click thru rate and you need 1,000 hits to your sponsors to make 1 sale a day, then this means you need 20,000 uniques per day. If you have a 10% Click thru rate, then you only need 10,000 uniques per day to make that goal on average. See what I am saying here?