Free Site Content Advice

[Greenguy]

I'm seeing (and declining) more & more free sites for what I attribute to poor planning with your content. Here's a couple of tips that might help some of you with your next free sites:

1 - The Mix Of Soft & Hardcore Niche Specific Content Problem
With more & more Link Lists adding soft & hardcore categories for the popular niches, you have to watch where you submit sites that have mostly softcore on the 1st gallery & mostly hardcore on the 2nd. An example of this is an Asian babe stripping nude in the 1st gallery & then having sex in the 2nd. If the Link List you submit to has both Asian Nudes & Asian Sex as a category, your site will NOT fit into either & you will be declined.

2 - The Softcore Filler Content On A Hardcore Site Problem
If you're building an Anal Sex Free Site, then there should not be a lot of pics of her stripping nude or playing with herself. If you do not have the number of pics for the free site, then move on to a different set - OR - find 2 sets that have the minimum number of pics for each gallery & build the free site with different content on each gallery

3 - The Adding Of Content That Does Not Fit The Category Problem
A blonde strips nude, sucks cock, gets fucked in the pussy, then the ass & takes a load on her face. This site does not fit into anyone anal or facial categories. The only option you have with this type of site is a general hardcore category.

4 - The Content Does Not Fit The Category Problem
Girls with fake boobs should not be submitted to a natural boobs category.
Women that are in their late 20's or early 30's should not be submitted to a mature category.
Old women with wrinkles should not be submitted to a milf category.
20 something women should not be submitted to a teen category.
This list goes on & on & on - don't go off what the sponsor says the content is, use your own judgment.

5 - The Fake Voyeur Content Problem
If the girl knows the camera is in the room, it's NOT voyeur.

6 - The Ad At The End Of The Movie Problem
A 20 second movie with a 5 second ad at the end for the paysite will only get you into trouble with the reviewer totals up the seconds of the movies (and it's a 5 second ad for the sponsor that does not have your link code on it)

7 - The Out Of Order Content Problem
I'm STILL sick of seeing sites where page 1 has the girl ending up completely nude but page 2 has her stripping all over again. If your site has the same content set on both galleries, make sure the content is in order.

Please feel free to discuss with questions, comments & complaints

[KG Gary]

No complaints here, GG.
I know I've screwed up a couple of times but MrYum is usually on my ass and sends me a quick email so that I can correct the error.
Personal judgement over what is mature, or BBW can cause a few extra thoughts, but mostly it's pretty straightforward, or at least it should be.
For you to start a thread like this I guess the problem must be bigger than I'd expect, so I'll make doubly sure from now on.

[ponygirl]

Yep, I'm starting to run into the hc/sc problem too now that I'm splitting categories. I hope this message gets out because it's difficult to reject a site/submitter that is otherwise really good just because of this.

My main beef lately falls into #s 2 & 3, I think. I see this a lot with sites submitted to my 'Cum' category - 3 shots of goo out of 24 do not make it a cum site!

I will switch categories if I feel the site will fit somewhere else, otherwise there's no choice but to decline it. My accept emails do say where it was listed, so if you find your sites getting shifted around a lot, it may be time to rethink the categories you're submitting to.

Excellent post, Greenie!

[MrYum]

Wells said Greenie

While I don't have split categories, I can see where this would be a big issue for those that do.

I do however see a lot of anal sites with 4 or 5 actually assfucking pics...and cumshots sites with 4 or 5 pics of mansauce

[Mateusz]

The only problem I have is: milf or mature? I never know so most times (actually few minutes I finished to submit my first time ever MILF site) I submit them to mature
I understand MILF category as babes (unnecessarily
softcore ) but 25+ years old.. what exactly you mean?
Assuming MILF is Mature I'd Like to Fuck I guess mature women loving guys dont care if they have wrinkles or not, or if they are 30 or 45 yo. they just need to be hot.... and since they are mature fetishist they find most older women attractive

its quiet confusing

[ladydesigner]

For me the biggest thing that bugs me (at present) is the Mature or MILF problem. If you submit a milf site to the milf category with the word "milf" in the title, DO NOT put the word "mature" anywhere in the description! To me, mature is old - like a grandma - with wrinkles. MILF being Mother's I'd Like to Fuck can be pretty girls doing whatever but NOT grandmas!

I also second ponygirl about the cum shot sites - they better be 90% actual cum pics to go in this category!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by ladydesigner

For me the biggest thing that bugs me (at present) is the Mature or MILF problem. If you submit a milf site to the milf category with the word "milf" in the title, DO NOT put the word "mature" anywhere in the description!...

That's one that boggles my mind as well - I get sites titled "Slutty Blonde Milf" submitted to the mature category & "Slutty Mature Blonde" submitted to milf

[JustRobert]

I only do nudes so subbing is not a problem for me, usually

I usually use age as a ref, so to me women 18-23 is coed/teen, 23-29 babe, 30-40 milf and 40+ is mature. Now if someone has a grandma or gilf category its 50+. Though my wife and I are in our early 40's, I just know our daughter will make us grandparents by 45. & all in one.

Have a question that has always confused me. As we look and deal with this industry day in and out we all become numb to it and forget that the surfer is not, well a good portion are not. If I were going to build a "cum" site I would not want to give away 12+ pics of it. Are we not suppose to tease the surfer into wanting to see more of it? Maybe a build up to say 6 actual cum pics which would be 25%. Or are you using 50% mark this way its easier to place it?

I do not build these sites cause I do not care for them. You can photograph a nude in an unlimited number of angles with her looking beautiful. But with the cum sites its like here is a head on shot, a right side and a left side shot, maybe a body shot and the flying goo shot. After that its all repetition to me Guess I do not get it

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by JustRobert

Have a question that has always confused me. As we look and deal with this industry day in and out we all become numb to it and forget that the surfer is not, well a good portion are not. If I were going to build a "cum" site I would not want to give away 12+ pics of it. Are we not suppose to tease the surfer into wanting to see more of it? Maybe a build up to say 6 actual cum pics which would be 25%. Or are you using 50% mark this way its easier to place it?

and that's the dilemma I have when reviewing. I figure if it's a cumshot/creampie site & sponsor, around 1/2 of the pics should have some jizz in it. If the first gallery has no actual sighting of the stuff, then the 2nd gallery better be all gooey

I understand that you can't give it all away, I submit too so I know what it's like. But if I want to keep a surfer coming back to that category, I better deliver, and the last 2 or 3 pics just won't do it.

On a side note, from a submitter's point of view, I don't want the surfer to go to my 1st gallery and not even stay because it's got no relevant pics. You want them to linger on every page as much as possible, and if the only good pics are the last 3 on gallery 2, how much time are they spending on my site?

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Greenie

That's one that boggles my mind as well - I get sites titled "Slutty Blonde Milf" submitted to the mature category & "Slutty Mature Blonde" submitted to milf

Ditto...

Originally Posted by ponygirl

My main beef lately falls into #s 2 & 3, I think. I see this a lot with sites submitted to my 'Cum' category - 3 shots of goo out of 24 do not make it a cum site!

Ok, I'll respond to that because I am known for having built both cum & creampie sites -- though mine aren't your typical mom & pop variety. Here's the rub, with these types of sites it's all about the ending.

Most generic cum sites will not have the cum-drooling and whatnot that I am privalidged enough to get my hands on, so what we see instead is an actual pop followed by like 12 pictures of a cum faced girl sitting there smiling which is actually pretty damn boring.

Creampies are even more difficult, because the whole payoff is the post coitus shot. I understand that generally more liberty is given here, but it's still an issue if you build a regular creampie site.

Here's my suggestion which I believe will get listed most anyplace. If you have two gallery pages, you should use two different sets of content.

In a creampie movie site I would say that if you have 4 movies, then one of them should be the cream exposing video even though it's only 25% of the page content.

On facial galleries, I would think you could get away with about 33% of the content on each page being a facial or 4 pics out of a set of 12.

Yes, it's more work to work with 2 seperate sets and it reduces your content folder potential to half of what it could be, but I think the action flows better this way without any "boring" shots and I don't know of a list that would decline you for this type of set up. IMO, liberty would be given to either of these types of sites if built correctly.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by JustRobert

...Have a question that has always confused me. As we look and deal with this industry day in and out we all become numb to it and forget that the surfer is not, well a good portion are not. If I were going to build a "cum" site I would not want to give away 12+ pics of it. Are we not suppose to tease the surfer into wanting to see more of it? Maybe a build up to say 6 actual cum pics which would be 25%. Or are you using 50% mark this way its easier to place it?...

I look at it this way: Would you sell a lesbian site with nude babe pics? Would you sell a hardcore black site with a pics nude black girl?

No - you'd use content that matched the site that you were promoting.

Based on your theory, you should not use nude pics to promote a nude babe site.

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I look at it this way: Would you sell a lesbian site with nude babe pics? Would you sell a hardcore black site with a pics nude black girl?

No - you'd use content that matched the site that you were promoting.

Based on your theory, you should not use nude pics to promote a nude babe site.

Actually I have sold a lesbian site with just nudes in cross marketing since I knew both gals did each other in that site. Yes, I would sell a hardcore site with just nudes. Its the sales text that drives them to the sponsor where the nude pics just gets him/her horny enough to want to go there, hopefully. But, then again they are only sub to the soft categories since thats what the content is. Which I guess is where your problem really is, people subbing wrong.

And in theory i have used maybe 6 completely nude pics within a site to promote a nude babe site. They are usually a strip tease build up, which works. Guess thats why I look at a build up to the cumshot without it being overwhelming. This is one reason I work with nudes, I like the build up

With reviewing sites for only a year, I have not had alot of this content cum, couldn't help it, my way. So I truly do appreciate your response Greenie.

Ponygirl, thanks for yours too, glad to know its just not my dilema.

Preacher, your comments is what I was thinking as well. Use 2 sets of content this way you get a good portion of those shots on each gallery without all the pics looking the same or just boring.

Thanks again for everyones input

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by JustRobert

With reviewing sites for only a year, I have not had alot of this content cum, couldn't help it, my way. So I truly do appreciate your response Greenie.

I'm sorry, what site have you been reviewing for a year?

I don't mean to sound like I'm busting your balls and I have nothing against you Robert, but this is the second time you have implied a good deal of experience with reviews. This may very well be true but the two linklists you have exposed on this board appear to have been created in September of this year.

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I'm sorry, what site have you been reviewing for a year?

I don't mean to sound like I'm busting your balls and I have nothing against you Robert, but this is the second time you have implied a good deal of experience with reviews. This may very well be true but the two linklists you have exposed on this board appear to have been created in September of this year.

Nothing against you either Preacher, I have liked your posts up until this one , but if you call someone out like this than what is a man truly to think. You could have just sent a PM. Since not, I will probably be wordy here. If I was in your position I may have asked the same question.

LegalTeenLust (created:04-Oct-2002) is a site that has bounced back and forth between tgp, linklist and a combination of both for a couple of years between taking submits and not. Honestly the first couple of years it just sat there like a bad hub, LOL. The creation of CoedsAndBabes was due to a recent ppc issues and thats what I mostly know and like. EroticToNaughty is brand new and is set up to be more general because I am looking into other niches and hoping others will submit them to me as well. The first two seemed very niche oriented and may have stopped someone subbing a Mature site, which C&B has. Both LTL and C&B were done manually and ETN is on a script making life a bit easier. Probably not the best way to go, but better now than later.

If I have implied to have a good deal of knowledge on reviewing, then I apologize to those that think that. This is not my intention. My questions and comments, I thought, was written in a way that I am looking for answers from those who have Far More experience reviewing. Any implication of knowledge really comes from my 5 years of building galleries, started with JazminzLick created: Fri, Sep 07, 2001, and a couple of years building freesites, I am not sure of the exact dates I started freesites so please do not hold me to that. You can also throw in the crap galleries and redirecting bastards I dealt with when I accepted galleries plus the very few freesites that came thru LTL plus whatever has been coming thru C&B or ETN which has not been that much.

Most submitters did not stick around. Why, probably because I did not send large quantities of traffic. I did not trade with anyone, except virgohippy even when he was on a freehost cause I know him, which is why I am here. To meet people and possibly trade hardlinks. I have been waiting until people know me from this board longer before asking. But I did spend 30K of ppc traffic last year to it. Thought quality would be better than quantity, it still is in my mind. I know its not alot compared to others in this business but its all I could afford. Due to that ppc issue I have only spent 14K this year so far and right now the ad budget is just $20 a day to a pantyhub that feeds into ETN.

Hopefully, Preacher, your post did not deter possible submitters though it probably has. I have been honest here and hopefully others will see that. I am a small Link List owner, at this time, and a never ending Newbie because I always want to learn even though I am 42!

Am I now qualified to ask questions or give advice to a fresh newbie?

Sorry again for its length. I await, unfortunately, the next response.
Robert

[matt]

I agree and disagree to some point with the first 3 comments.

As a reviewer / link list owner it can make it tough when a freesite has different types of content, but in reality, with a single set of content there's normally a natural progression (especially with the basic hardcore / blowjob / anal / facial categories).

As a surfer, when I'm looking at an anal free site, for example, I don't want to just see close up pictures of a girl getting butt fucked. For me seeing her clothed / in her panties / nude with a smile on her (pretty) face is what sets the mood. I get to see a small part of what she's like in 'reality'. Then she's probably gonna give a blowjob, and then start on the anal which is what i need to get me really fired up. If the content went straight to the anal, i'd probably lose interest.

I guess that's a good thing for linklist owners, as I'll go back to their site to look for more. But it seems pretty hard on submitters...

And I completely agree with what's been said about milfs, although I think it's not only an age range thing. You can have a 30-45 year old that's an amateur, but not a milf. The milf hunter / seeker / searcher / finder / chaser / follower / stalker et al sites have the milf thing pretty down pat, so if your milf doesn't look like she'd belong on those sites, she's probably not a milf.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by JustRobert

...You could have just sent a PM. Since not, I will probably be wordy here. If I was in your position I may have asked the same question....

You're probably right and we'll finish the conversation in private and get this thread back on track.

Sorry everybody nothing to see here, move along.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by matt

...As a reviewer / link list owner it can make it tough when a freesite has different types of content, but in reality, with a single set of content there's normally a natural progression (especially with the basic hardcore / blowjob / anal / facial categories)....

Part of the problem is that no one (that I know of) has a rule in place where you have to use a single set of content.

It might be because I made this HFS, but I do consider this a PERFECT example of how to build a 24 pic free site using 6 sets of content to promote a facial cumshot paysite:
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites...ls.html?581222

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Greenie

It might be because I made this HFS, but I do consider this a PERFECT example of how to build a 24 pic free site using 6 sets of content to promote a facial cumshot paysite:
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites...ls.html?581222

now THAT'S a gooey cum site

I usually use one set of content for freesites, have occasionally used 2, but never thought of using more than that. Time to start thinking outside the box again

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Mateusz

The only problem I have is: milf or mature? I never know so most times (actually few minutes I finished to submit my first time ever MILF site) I submit them to mature
I understand MILF category as babes (unnecessarily
softcore ) but 25+ years old.. what exactly you mean?
Assuming MILF is Mature I'd Like to Fuck
its quiet confusing

And that is the source of the problem - the M stands for Moms/Mothers - not Mature - and the idea behind most of the MILF paysites is moms in their 20s to early 30s

[Linkster]

BTW - Just so you have a good reference point - the original MILF was Jennifer Coolidge in American Pie - she was 33 at the time

The original quotes from the movie:
[while looking at a picture of Stifler's mom]
MILF Guy #2: Dude that chick's a MILF!
MILF Guy #1: What the hell is that?
MILF Guy #2: M-I-L-F Mom I'd Like to Fuck!
MILF Guy #1: Yeah dude! Yeah!

Then Stiflers Moms phrase:
Stifler's Mom: I got some scotch.
Finch: Single malt?
Stifler's Mom: Aged eighteen years. The way I like it.

[matt]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Part of the problem is that no one (that I know of) has a rule in place where you have to use a single set of content.

It might be because I made this HFS, but I do consider this a PERFECT example of how to build a 24 pic free site using 6 sets of content to promote a facial cumshot paysite:
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites...ls.html?581222

Yup, that's true. But as I said next, as a surfer, I lose interest after seeing just the pics of someone / multiple someones with cum on their face. I want to know what they look like before the cumshot and while they're sucking cock as well.

And the reality is most small webmasters don't have a lot of content to use, so getting the most out of each one is a part of the game. I spose they could take 6 hardcore scenes and combine bits of them to make six different freesites, but if they've only got one or two that fit that niche the options are limited.

[matt]

Originally Posted by Linkster

BTW - Just so you have a good reference point - the original MILF was Jennifer Coolidge in American Pie - she was 33 at the time.

Some good advice there, that's always been my benchmark in the milf department. Who could be more milfy than the original?!

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by matt

Yup, that's true. But as I said next, as a surfer, I lose interest after seeing just the pics of someone / multiple someones with cum on their face. I want to know what they look like before the cumshot and while they're sucking cock as well.

ah, but are you a cum fetish surfer? If I'm surfing cum links, it's cuz I want to see lots of jizz! For instance, GG's site example would get me going if I had a cum fetish. (I said IF, people ) I actually find it disappointing to click on a cum site that only has a few good shots at the end, so to speak.

otherwise, if I wanted to see build up, I'd go to oral which sometimes has a cumshot at the end, or a hardcore category.

not to be argumentative, mind you...

[Greenguy]

ponygirl said it for me

I love facial cumshots & I can sit around & look at pic after pic of women with cum on their faces.

[troy]

Yup, that's true. But as I said next, as a surfer, I lose interest after seeing just the pics of someone / multiple someones with cum on their face. I want to know what they look like before the cumshot and while they're sucking cock as well.

And the reality is most small webmasters don't have a lot of content to use, so getting the most out of each one is a part of the game. I spose they could take 6 hardcore scenes and combine bits of them to make six different freesites, but if they've only got one or two that fit that niche the options are limited.

I totally agree with Matt here.
I am a cumshot surfer and I own a cumshot link list, I also work the cumshot niche a lot as a submitter. If I go the way Greenguy suggest
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites...ls.html?581222
I can close my link list and stop submitting.

Most sponsors who offer cumshot content don't have much more then 10 or 30 sets. With all webmasters out there this content is overused in no time. Try to find some good cumshot content to buy. You pay around $30 to $40 a set.

I don't now how it goes with other freesite submitters but I only see my sales go down every month and now you are asking to spend all sponsor content on a couple of sites or spend at least $60 or $90 on one cumshot freesite.

Were are the times you were teasing the surfer to buy