Using Content by Sponsors

tigermom · 2006-02-12, 01:56 AM

I have some good work force joining my team and am considering entering the Freesites game, along with my SEO text sites. I am doing a lot of reading, but have a question for now.

How bad is it using content from the sponsor? I don't mind investing in my own content, but I am not sure if there's an added benefit to it. I have a few sets of pictures that I purchased, and I have already seen them around, so it's not that paid content is exclusive or unique.

Also, using the sponsor's content, means my visitor actually gets to see a sample of the paysite that I'm promoting, which might make for an easier sale? I'm thinking text along the lines of "like this gallery? it's only a sample of the pleasures awaiting you at sponsor A".

So, what's your take on sponsor promo content? Is it a no-no, and if so, why?

RedCherry · 2006-02-12, 02:22 AM

Some sponsor content is waaaaaaay over used, and LL are either not going to list you, or you are on a "first come first served" basis. So if they have already seen that set of content submitted, and you submit, you are rejected.

Other sponsor content is very under used. For instance, I have a friend of mine that has an exclusive pregnant site and I build free sites occassionally for him, so his content isn't seen at all unless I build sites, or his google traffic, so the sites I build with it tend to get accepted.

I can't really list which are over used, which are under used, it really varies depending upon the link list, and by niche.

You are right, it IS nice to get a taste of what they will see inside, esp. if it is a solo girl site, or an exclusive site, it is hard to buy content that will fit. Just read the rules on the lists about sponsor content, so you don't spend a bunch of time building sites people won't accept. Just my 2 cents.

DJilla · 2006-02-12, 05:55 AM

I used sponsor content for along time, still do when I can, I felt it was appropriate for just the same reasons you outlined. I was also suspicious of sponsors that didn't offer content and assummed that their sites were old and tired anyway. Once I got to the point where my sites where up to the quality of generally getting accepted I could tell which lists were not listing me and usually I could trace it back to sponsor content. Thing is many of those lists are ones you want to be on.

It finally came down to time managment. For all the time searching for sponsor content that WASN'T over used and then dealing with watermarks and the rejection of vid caps, and trying to build a site that fit into the content I had and all the other messing around, it just became more practical to buy a ton of content which I did just not too long ago. Now I'm focusing on building sites rather than scrolling through used content.

tigermom · 2006-02-12, 08:02 AM

I guess there is also the question of figuring out which content is overused... I am looking through the promo sets provided by sponsors and honestly, I haven't the slightest idea which sets are overused and which look fresh (I'm afraid I don't surf freesites for my viewing pleasure lol).

sue-fl · 2006-02-12, 01:26 PM

I buy all my content, and don't accept many sites on my LL that use sponsor content. Buying content isn't as bad you think though. I take my time and really look for sets that are either large that you can make two freesites out of, or sets that are older and on discount. You can also reuse the content you buy, six months down the road. So by paying $35 or less for a set that you can get two sites out of and get to use down the road works for me. All it takes is one sale from the freesite and you've made your money back.

MeatPounder · 2006-02-12, 02:22 PM

Just the same old problem...on any of the smaller solo sites there is no way to really promote them EXCEPT for using sponsor content.
All of them from Kat Vixen, to Little April, to Brooke Skye...I see no way around using content released from the site itself.
My biggest individual site ever as far as sales I don't even promote any more, Silver Cash's Gay Hitchhiker...For there is no way to promote it without his content.
That's probably why I don't do many free sites any more, for I have been into promoting single girl sites on TGP's...and link lists just do not like free sites with the girls content....they already have all I could offer as their own hosted free sites from the sponsor listed themselves.
I haven't even found a way to promote Cleo's Foxey Angel...even though I own licenses to over 500 megs of tranny content it really cannot be used to promote that site.

Toby · 2006-02-12, 02:33 PM

I hear ya MeatPounder. Promoting solo girl sites on TGP's is still no easy chore. That's one of the top reasons that I have two TGP sites of my own. It gives me a place I know I can list my galleries.

spookyx · 2006-02-12, 02:57 PM

Many sponsors will give webmasters a UN/PW ( including us at lotzadollars.com ) to grab content to make freesites or galleries. It never hurts to email and ask them.

Holister · 2006-02-12, 04:18 PM

Just go through the listing of a major linklist. I would say that is more matter of overpromoted sites more than overused content. Some sponsors offer hunderds of sets but I don't want have my lesbian category full of sapphic erotica sites for example, ever if the set is brand new...

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Originally Posted by tigermom

I guess there is also the question of figuring out which content is overused... I am looking through the promo sets provided by sponsors and honestly, I haven't the slightest idea which sets are overused and which look fresh (I'm afraid I don't surf freesites for my viewing pleasure lol).

tigermom · 2006-02-12, 05:46 PM

Well, I just created and submitted my first freesite -
http://www.gay-hunks.org/outdoor-jacking-off - feedback welcome

I did use sponsor content for it.

I don't mind spending money on content. Have done so in the past and will do it in the future. I have what I refer to as content websites where I sometimes use bought content just so I won't be tied up to a specific sponsor. Take for example my site - www.heavy-hangers.net

My point is more about promoting a site with content from that site so that the visitor gets a real sample of what's in store.

Thanks for all the replies everyone

JoeBlack · 2006-02-12, 09:51 PM

I would list it at my link list. Although if I really wanted to find something wrong I would say the copy right link at the bottom of your main page would put you over the 3 obl rule.

Also this wouldn't stop you from getting listed but I would say make your text a little bigger under your top banner on the index and on your hpa on your main.

GL

emmanuelle · 2006-02-12, 10:07 PM

I think that some of the problems you speak of are due to sponsors who rely on purchased content for their websites. Often their licenses will not allow them to give it to affiliates, or are limited only to fhg/hfs.

As a sponsor, I would want you to use my content so as not to misrepresent our sites. We try to offer a good selection to affiliates, and are always willing to put together whatever they may need. If we don't have it, we'll even shoot it for you. [/spam]

Xeno · 2006-02-14, 07:35 AM

As others have said, sponsor content is way over used...but there are many advantages and how to get around and do well with it. I am just working on something to help webmasters who create free gallery sites, so drop me a PM (private message) if you want some info.

Another option is to stay on top of new content releases by sponsors but don't be afraid to contact them for something specific if you need to. You'd be surprised that there are a few who will help you out with options.

tigermom · 2006-02-14, 10:00 AM

I can see how the promo content offered by the big Sponsors is probably way overused, but what about smaller niche sites? Is it really possible that LL reviewers have seen it ALL??

NetGoonie, just PM'ed you

Xeno · 2006-02-14, 10:12 AM

Actually, there's probably like over 200 sponsors out there big and small and then the individual ones that use ccbill on their own. Quick answer though is nope, I bet most have not seen them all or at least recognized them because most seem to go to the big sponsor names which is how you get the over saturation.

To be honest, I do well with a select list of about 10 big sponsors (but all are the not the common ones most use) and I do use many small individual ones. Most of the small ones I use are ccbill based.

Anyways, I will check out your PM now, then its off to bed I go due to the 16 hours I just did...lol

dareutwo · 2006-02-14, 11:57 AM

Basically everything has been covered already.
Most sponsor content is way overused.
Smaller niche stuff still gets listed occasionally though.
It all comes down to time like DJilla says.
I vary rarely use sponsor content (well except on Marks of course)
As to how much content does a reviewer know of? You'd be surprised

2006-02-12, 01:56 AM	#1
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Using Content by Sponsors I have some good work force joining my team and am considering entering the Freesites game, along with my SEO text sites. I am doing a lot of reading, but have a question for now. How bad is it using content from the sponsor? I don't mind investing in my own content, but I am not sure if there's an added benefit to it. I have a few sets of pictures that I purchased, and I have already seen them around, so it's not that paid content is exclusive or unique. Also, using the sponsor's content, means my visitor actually gets to see a sample of the paysite that I'm promoting, which might make for an easier sale? I'm thinking text along the lines of "like this gallery? it's only a sample of the pleasures awaiting you at sponsor A". So, what's your take on sponsor promo content? Is it a no-no, and if so, why? __________________ XLEF

2006-02-12, 02:22 AM	#2
RedCherry Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV Posts: 3,187	Some sponsor content is waaaaaaay over used, and LL are either not going to list you, or you are on a "first come first served" basis. So if they have already seen that set of content submitted, and you submit, you are rejected. Other sponsor content is very under used. For instance, I have a friend of mine that has an exclusive pregnant site and I build free sites occassionally for him, so his content isn't seen at all unless I build sites, or his google traffic, so the sites I build with it tend to get accepted. I can't really list which are over used, which are under used, it really varies depending upon the link list, and by niche. You are right, it IS nice to get a taste of what they will see inside, esp. if it is a solo girl site, or an exclusive site, it is hard to buy content that will fit. Just read the rules on the lists about sponsor content, so you don't spend a bunch of time building sites people won't accept. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Our 3D Comics and Props on Renderotica

2006-02-12, 05:55 AM	#3
DJilla You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 525	I used sponsor content for along time, still do when I can, I felt it was appropriate for just the same reasons you outlined. I was also suspicious of sponsors that didn't offer content and assummed that their sites were old and tired anyway. Once I got to the point where my sites where up to the quality of generally getting accepted I could tell which lists were not listing me and usually I could trace it back to sponsor content. Thing is many of those lists are ones you want to be on. It finally came down to time managment. For all the time searching for sponsor content that WASN'T over used and then dealing with watermarks and the rejection of vid caps, and trying to build a site that fit into the content I had and all the other messing around, it just became more practical to buy a ton of content which I did just not too long ago. Now I'm focusing on building sites rather than scrolling through used content. __________________ Submit Free Sites, Blogs, Movies, TGP's, Triple XXX Info

2006-02-12, 08:02 AM	#4
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	I guess there is also the question of figuring out which content is overused... I am looking through the promo sets provided by sponsors and honestly, I haven't the slightest idea which sets are overused and which look fresh (I'm afraid I don't surf freesites for my viewing pleasure lol). __________________ XLEF

2006-02-12, 02:33 PM	#7
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	I hear ya MeatPounder. Promoting solo girl sites on TGP's is still no easy chore. That's one of the top reasons that I have two TGP sites of my own. It gives me a place I know I can list my galleries. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2006-02-12, 01:26 PM	#5
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	I buy all my content, and don't accept many sites on my LL that use sponsor content. Buying content isn't as bad you think though. I take my time and really look for sets that are either large that you can make two freesites out of, or sets that are older and on discount. You can also reuse the content you buy, six months down the road. So by paying $35 or less for a set that you can get two sites out of and get to use down the road works for me. All it takes is one sale from the freesite and you've made your money back.

2006-02-12, 02:22 PM	#6
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	Just the same old problem...on any of the smaller solo sites there is no way to really promote them EXCEPT for using sponsor content. All of them from Kat Vixen, to Little April, to Brooke Skye...I see no way around using content released from the site itself. My biggest individual site ever as far as sales I don't even promote any more, Silver Cash's Gay Hitchhiker...For there is no way to promote it without his content. That's probably why I don't do many free sites any more, for I have been into promoting single girl sites on TGP's...and link lists just do not like free sites with the girls content....they already have all I could offer as their own hosted free sites from the sponsor listed themselves. I haven't even found a way to promote Cleo's Foxey Angel...even though I own licenses to over 500 megs of tranny content it really cannot be used to promote that site.

2006-02-12, 02:57 PM	#8
spookyx Kodak Ghosts Run Amok Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hobbs End Posts: 1,718	Many sponsors will give webmasters a UN/PW ( including us at lotzadollars.com ) to grab content to make freesites or galleries. It never hurts to email and ask them.

2006-02-12, 05:46 PM	#10
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Well, I just created and submitted my first freesite - http://www.gay-hunks.org/outdoor-jacking-off - feedback welcome I did use sponsor content for it. I don't mind spending money on content. Have done so in the past and will do it in the future. I have what I refer to as content websites where I sometimes use bought content just so I won't be tied up to a specific sponsor. Take for example my site - www.heavy-hangers.net My point is more about promoting a site with content from that site so that the visitor gets a real sample of what's in store. Thanks for all the replies everyone __________________ XLEF

2006-02-12, 09:51 PM	#11
JoeBlack I've always wondered if there was a god. And now I know there is -- and it's me Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 327	I would list it at my link list. Although if I really wanted to find something wrong I would say the copy right link at the bottom of your main page would put you over the 3 obl rule. Also this wouldn't stop you from getting listed but I would say make your text a little bigger under your top banner on the index and on your hpa on your main. GL

2006-02-12, 10:07 PM	#12
emmanuelle 0100011101100101011001010 1101011001000000100001101 1010000110100101100011 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,441	I think that some of the problems you speak of are due to sponsors who rely on purchased content for their websites. Often their licenses will not allow them to give it to affiliates, or are limited only to fhg/hfs. As a sponsor, I would want you to use my content so as not to misrepresent our sites. We try to offer a good selection to affiliates, and are always willing to put together whatever they may need. If we don't have it, we'll even shoot it for you. [/spam]

2006-02-14, 07:35 AM	#13
Xeno Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 494	As others have said, sponsor content is way over used...but there are many advantages and how to get around and do well with it. I am just working on something to help webmasters who create free gallery sites, so drop me a PM (private message) if you want some info. Another option is to stay on top of new content releases by sponsors but don't be afraid to contact them for something specific if you need to. You'd be surprised that there are a few who will help you out with options. __________________ Why I never sleep anymore... Web Designing

2006-02-14, 10:00 AM	#14
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	I can see how the promo content offered by the big Sponsors is probably way overused, but what about smaller niche sites? Is it really possible that LL reviewers have seen it ALL?? NetGoonie, just PM'ed you __________________ XLEF

2006-02-14, 10:12 AM	#15
Xeno Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 494	Actually, there's probably like over 200 sponsors out there big and small and then the individual ones that use ccbill on their own. Quick answer though is nope, I bet most have not seen them all or at least recognized them because most seem to go to the big sponsor names which is how you get the over saturation. To be honest, I do well with a select list of about 10 big sponsors (but all are the not the common ones most use) and I do use many small individual ones. Most of the small ones I use are ccbill based. Anyways, I will check out your PM now, then its off to bed I go due to the 16 hours I just did...lol __________________ Why I never sleep anymore... Web Designing

2006-02-14, 11:57 AM	#16
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	Basically everything has been covered already. Most sponsor content is way overused. Smaller niche stuff still gets listed occasionally though. It all comes down to time like DJilla says. I vary rarely use sponsor content (well except on Marks of course) As to how much content does a reviewer know of? You'd be surprised __________________ This is me Mark's-Links