Wazza, ronnie, plateman, CrazySy, MrYum, MadMax, surfn, Jel and dareutwo - inside plz

tranza · 2006-01-09, 02:08 PM

It's nice to be bashed on a public board.

I'm here to explain why you guys thought I was cheating, when I wasn't.

I know this isn't the right board, but since Wazza also posted here I think it would be fair if this thread was left here for a little while at least.

Here's my reply: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=27686

I'm not a cheater, and that thread was TOTALLY uncalled for. You could have reached me Wazza. I'm pretty sure you would be very upset if anyone came here and tried to bash your name.

Jel · 2006-01-09, 02:53 PM

Hi tranza,
Fair enough, but hopefully you can see why we thought something was up. If Ramster speaks up for you then that's good enough for me to be honest

Surfn · 2006-01-09, 03:17 PM

Trying to explain away something after you get caught is never a good strategy...

ronnie · 2006-01-09, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn

Trying to explain away something after you get caught is never a good strategy...

Thats what I was thinking...

Makes it tough when it was the exit links, templates and whois, plus the person runs a submit service. Too many thing to add up. Could very well be the truth, but what would most webmasters think?

ronnie

RawAlex · 2006-01-09, 03:58 PM

Tranza, I posted in the other thread, but I want to make it clear:

How would a link site know you are not multisubmitting? the answer is no way to tell. It looks like a pure multisubmit attempt to get around the rules, and you got caught at it. 100% of what I can see says "tried to get around the rules" and we have but your word against it.

Mea culpa, be nice to people, and try to get back what you have lost by your actions (intentional or otherwise).

Alex

Wazza · 2006-01-09, 04:14 PM

I reported what I saw, no more, no less - there was no malice involved...

I've never multi submitted - in fact I still use the same name and email address I've used for submitting since day #2

Having wasted many hours hunting down Brazilian multis in the MGP world I'm not saying sorry for being all over you like a fat kid on a cupcake...

Friendly advice #1 - email link lists first and get their agreement

Friendly advice #2 - Ramster slapped me around the head when I was a free site newbie, and it was 100% deserved. A slapping never hurt noone...

Useless · 2006-01-09, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

I'm not a cheater, and that thread was TOTALLY uncalled for. You could have reached me Wazza. I'm pretty sure you would be very upset if anyone came here and tried to bash your name.

Be angry with yourself, not Wazza. You fucked up - not him.

CrazySy · 2006-01-09, 04:22 PM

Tranza, I never called you a cheater and I don't own a TGP or Link List and that means I don't do reviews however, I would have looked at that as 100% cheating if I did do reviews and was not approached in advance by the submitter. I have seen the same situation and the same answer so many times on this board.

MrYum · 2006-01-09, 04:27 PM

Hey Tranza...

Well, this is one of those 'if it walks like a duck' things. All the evidence points toward someone attempting to circumvent the rules. As others have mentioned, we had no way of knowing the specific situation.

Actually my site does accept multiple submissions/day providing the sites are different and in different categories. And yet I still get fucktards trying to 'sneak' in extra submits when there's no need to sneak

From what you've said and the evidence Wazza presented, the situation has all the warning signs of a multi submitter. It was only a matter of time until someone outted you.

All that said, I'm with Jel...the fact that Ramster stood up for you speaks volumes...it's all good here

Oh, I wouldn't have listed those sites anyway...side scroll...'y*ung girls'...blind links...zero continuity to the sites...etc.. Your 'friends' were well on their way to getting those domains blacklisted anyway.

plateman · 2006-01-09, 04:37 PM

well what can I say I dont really agree with your set-up... but seeing as ramster is a good friend and if he says your ok and not a cheat then ok I will remove your domains form banned list... but with any set up like this watch what your friends do as they can suck you down the tubes... and get your stuff banned as they are using your hosting and domians..

another thing of advise is tell your friends or partners to not all build the same niche and dont promote the same thing day after day, rotate..

And you should have told the LL about this first as you probably know this now...

oh and pm me a list of the perment submitt names and domains those submitters will be using and I'll check my BL

tranza · 2006-01-09, 06:50 PM

Thanks for all the advices, off course I understand why you guys thought that way and I assume that I screwed up when I didn't inform the LinkLists.

This is just a quick reply since it's almost 10PM and I was going out but I really wanted so see all the responses.

I'll reply better tomorrow, to all of you.

MadMax · 2006-01-09, 11:56 PM

Hey Tranza,

The fact that Ramster came out for you goes a long way. The fact remains, however, that Wazza was absolutely correct. While I understand that it may be difficult to get sponsors to allow Brazilians to sign up for their programs, why is it again that Brazilians can't get domains or hosting?

If what you were doing was OK, then by extension it would be OK if I hired a bunch of webmasters to build and submit freesites and galleries with my sponsor codes.

I've got a couple problems with your story.

First off, (and this is just a "gut" feeling), honest people who've been wronged don't generally try to fix the situation with a "you guys are assholes" attitude like the one you had in the other thread and the one you had when you started this one. Now we've got 3 threads on the same topic so it's difficult to keep track of what was said when.

Being that you've obviously been around for a while (judging by the fact that you registered here almost 2 years ago) AND you run a TGP, how could you think that you and your buddies wouldn't be flagged as multisubmitters? You're also springing for dedicated IPs for each domain, which keeps a quick whois check from flagging the fact that they're on the same server. No money for a $6.95 domain, but plenty of money to pay a buck a month each for an IP? Just doesn't add up for me.

The following tend to be signs of multisubmitting:
--Multiple submits from similar/identical IPs and different identities.
--Same sponsor codes from different submitting identities
--Multiple identities with the same whois info.
--Multiple identities with extremely similar site designs

At the end of the day, you're doing three of the four, and you've been around long enough to know better.

I don't have anything against you (and you don't even submit to me). In fact, I probably wouldn't have bothered posting in this thread if I wasn't named in the title. That said, those domains are not on my blacklist ONLY because Ramster spoke up for you. I would sincerely suggest that you completely revise your strategy in order to prevent getting blacklisted anywhere and everywhere, as most link list owners will blacklist and never think twice...and it will only take one of them adding you to a shared blacklist to put a serious crimp in your traffic.

Mr. Blue · 2006-01-10, 02:31 AM

tranza is a good guy and I doubt he would cheat. He's a little more well known in tgp circles, he's had a partner account with me for the last 8 months, submits daily, and I've never had a problem with any of his submits. So, I'm going to agree with Ramster on this and would take his explanation at face value.

I understand why the issue was raised though and I'm sure tranza will make all the necessary adjustments or inform the LL's he submits to, etc.

2006-01-09, 03:17 PM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Trying to explain away something after you get caught is never a good strategy... __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2006-01-09, 04:14 PM	#6
Wazza I'm a jaded evil bastard, I wouldn't piss on myself if I was on fire... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 808	I reported what I saw, no more, no less - there was no malice involved... I've never multi submitted - in fact I still use the same name and email address I've used for submitting since day #2 Having wasted many hours hunting down Brazilian multis in the MGP world I'm not saying sorry for being all over you like a fat kid on a cupcake... Friendly advice #1 - email link lists first and get their agreement Friendly advice #2 - Ramster slapped me around the head when I was a free site newbie, and it was 100% deserved. A slapping never hurt noone... __________________ I sale Internet My sites have no traffic and no PR - let's trade - PM me

2006-01-09, 04:22 PM	#8
CrazySy There are no stupid questions, just stupid people! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ME,USA Posts: 1,393	Tranza, I never called you a cheater and I don't own a TGP or Link List and that means I don't do reviews however, I would have looked at that as 100% cheating if I did do reviews and was not approached in advance by the submitter. I have seen the same situation and the same answer so many times on this board. __________________ I Build Freesites - List of Active Link Lists

2006-01-09, 04:27 PM	#9
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Hey Tranza... Well, this is one of those 'if it walks like a duck' things. All the evidence points toward someone attempting to circumvent the rules. As others have mentioned, we had no way of knowing the specific situation. Actually my site does accept multiple submissions/day providing the sites are different and in different categories. And yet I still get fucktards trying to 'sneak' in extra submits when there's no need to sneak From what you've said and the evidence Wazza presented, the situation has all the warning signs of a multi submitter. It was only a matter of time until someone outted you. All that said, I'm with Jel...the fact that Ramster stood up for you speaks volumes...it's all good here Oh, I wouldn't have listed those sites anyway...side scroll...'y*ung girls'...blind links...zero continuity to the sites...etc.. Your 'friends' were well on their way to getting those domains blacklisted anyway. __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2006-01-09, 04:37 PM	#10
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	well what can I say I dont really agree with your set-up... but seeing as ramster is a good friend and if he says your ok and not a cheat then ok I will remove your domains form banned list... but with any set up like this watch what your friends do as they can suck you down the tubes... and get your stuff banned as they are using your hosting and domians.. another thing of advise is tell your friends or partners to not all build the same niche and dont promote the same thing day after day, rotate.. And you should have told the LL about this first as you probably know this now... oh and pm me a list of the perment submitt names and domains those submitters will be using and I'll check my BL __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here Last edited by plateman; 2006-01-09 at 04:41 PM..

2006-01-09, 02:08 PM	#1
tranza A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brasil!!! Posts: 59	Wazza, ronnie, plateman, CrazySy, MrYum, MadMax, surfn, Jel and dareutwo - inside plz It's nice to be bashed on a public board. I'm here to explain why you guys thought I was cheating, when I wasn't. I know this isn't the right board, but since Wazza also posted here I think it would be fair if this thread was left here for a little while at least. Here's my reply: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=27686 I'm not a cheater, and that thread was TOTALLY uncalled for. You could have reached me Wazza. I'm pretty sure you would be very upset if anyone came here and tried to bash your name. __________________ ICQ: 197-556-237 \| E-mail me

2006-01-09, 02:53 PM	#2
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	Hi tranza, Fair enough, but hopefully you can see why we thought something was up. If Ramster speaks up for you then that's good enough for me to be honest

2006-01-09, 03:58 PM	#5
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Tranza, I posted in the other thread, but I want to make it clear: How would a link site know you are not multisubmitting? the answer is no way to tell. It looks like a pure multisubmit attempt to get around the rules, and you got caught at it. 100% of what I can see says "tried to get around the rules" and we have but your word against it. Mea culpa, be nice to people, and try to get back what you have lost by your actions (intentional or otherwise). Alex

2006-01-09, 06:50 PM	#11
tranza A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brasil!!! Posts: 59	Thanks for all the advices, off course I understand why you guys thought that way and I assume that I screwed up when I didn't inform the LinkLists. This is just a quick reply since it's almost 10PM and I was going out but I really wanted so see all the responses. I'll reply better tomorrow, to all of you. __________________ ICQ: 197-556-237 \| E-mail me

2006-01-09, 11:56 PM	#12
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	Hey Tranza, The fact that Ramster came out for you goes a long way. The fact remains, however, that Wazza was absolutely correct. While I understand that it may be difficult to get sponsors to allow Brazilians to sign up for their programs, why is it again that Brazilians can't get domains or hosting? If what you were doing was OK, then by extension it would be OK if I hired a bunch of webmasters to build and submit freesites and galleries with my sponsor codes. I've got a couple problems with your story. First off, (and this is just a "gut" feeling), honest people who've been wronged don't generally try to fix the situation with a "you guys are assholes" attitude like the one you had in the other thread and the one you had when you started this one. Now we've got 3 threads on the same topic so it's difficult to keep track of what was said when. Being that you've obviously been around for a while (judging by the fact that you registered here almost 2 years ago) AND you run a TGP, how could you think that you and your buddies wouldn't be flagged as multisubmitters? You're also springing for dedicated IPs for each domain, which keeps a quick whois check from flagging the fact that they're on the same server. No money for a $6.95 domain, but plenty of money to pay a buck a month each for an IP? Just doesn't add up for me. The following tend to be signs of multisubmitting: --Multiple submits from similar/identical IPs and different identities. --Same sponsor codes from different submitting identities --Multiple identities with the same whois info. --Multiple identities with extremely similar site designs At the end of the day, you're doing three of the four, and you've been around long enough to know better. I don't have anything against you (and you don't even submit to me). In fact, I probably wouldn't have bothered posting in this thread if I wasn't named in the title. That said, those domains are not on my blacklist ONLY because Ramster spoke up for you. I would sincerely suggest that you completely revise your strategy in order to prevent getting blacklisted anywhere and everywhere, as most link list owners will blacklist and never think twice...and it will only take one of them adding you to a shared blacklist to put a serious crimp in your traffic.

2006-01-10, 02:31 AM	#13
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	tranza is a good guy and I doubt he would cheat. He's a little more well known in tgp circles, he's had a partner account with me for the last 8 months, submits daily, and I've never had a problem with any of his submits. So, I'm going to agree with Ramster on this and would take his explanation at face value. I understand why the issue was raised though and I'm sure tranza will make all the necessary adjustments or inform the LL's he submits to, etc. __________________ 69Blue.com ICQ #223487665