ccbill scrub up?

[Ramster]

Damn, just logged into my ccbill admin and see I'm 0:7,311 since May 2. That's over all programs. One is 0:3,787 and another is 0:1559 and another is 0:1,793 but made 3 sales on May 1 going 1:310.3

Sometimes I hate ccbill and their scrub (if it's not a myth). Every once in a while sales take a shit with them.

[Cleo]

Same here, but my sales with them this last week have been very good.

[Toby]

Ditto, was 1:246 overall on May 1 with 7 sales. Since then I'm 1:1820 with just 4 sales.

[GeorgeTH]

Grrr - I was always confident 3rd-party-billers wouldn't scrub, but I sorta have to confirm these figures, too! Specially my Met-Art sales are well below average... Grrr!

Can I please go and scrub my hosting bill and my rent? Let's say I only pay 50% to reflect my lower income...

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by GeorgeTH

Grrr - I was always confident 3rd-party-billers wouldn't scrub[/i]

It's the CC companies that are doing the scrubbing. CCBill is at the mercy of Visa.

[Altheon]

I actually got to talk to the CCbill guys at the Phoenix Forum. They mentioned that they tweak the scrub very infrequently.

-A

[deleuze]

Last month I was 1:4000 with CCBill sponsors. This month 1:1800 so far. May 1st was a relatively good day though at 1:1000 with 7 sales.

[Mishi]

Whoa - something isn't right here, you guys. I'm at 1:816 on CCBill for uniques for this year, and 1:626 for this month. That's fairly close to my overall ratio. Could there maybe be a site or two in the mix that's throwing things off? (I'm assuming you've got lots of accounts merged under one account, as I do.)

I have a couple of CCBill sites that do very well and a couple that suck eggs, and all manner in between. If I saw ratios like ya'll are reporting I would be extremely concerned.

[Jel]

Hiya Mishi,
Don't know if it's the case with the sponsors you promote, but some count hits to FHGs too, which can throw the ratios right off.
I show 1:1169 overall this year, but this week fucking sucks big time, at 1:2050

[eman]

Just about the only CCBill sponsor that works for me is Purple Dollars. Well done Debs

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by cfnmparty

Hiya Mishi,
Don't know if it's the case with the sponsors you promote, but some count hits to FHGs too, which can throw the ratios right off.
I show 1:1169 overall this year, but this week fucking sucks big time, at 1:2050

They do? Wow; that would probably toss my ratios right in the toilet. Off the top of my head I don't think I'm using any FHGs for CCBill sponsors, so I don't think I have that issue.

[Rui]

Sales went down alot here also with ccbill over the past few days

[Ramster]

1:1325.0 the past couple of days with 4 sales so maybe back to normal or all just a myth.

[Toby]

Same here, yesterday was back to normal and had 3 sales waiting to greet me when I got up this AM, so perhaps the gates are fully open again.

[SmithsMedia]

no good news here - sales peaked at a all time high two weeks back, this weds they just stopped, check with a few other guys in the UK they have the same issues too :-(

[terry]

same here... this week ccbill stats are garbage... please dont tell my wife. she'll make me get a real job.

[RawAlex]

I am seeing about 1 in 2500 overall for stuff I promote through ccbill, and one major program I use that handles stats themselves but processes with ccbill has been in the shit for about 2-3 weeks for me now. Other stuff is doing okay, but this stuff is weird.

CCBill has always been some of the poorest sales for me, but once they get a sale, they a pretty good retention, which averages it all out fine.

Alex

[LindaMight]

Ok....educate me. I have CCBill for my site and have no problems at all that I know of. Of course, I have no idea what the heck "scrub" means. Thanks!

[cd34]

Scrub is the term that people use with credit card processors and their fraud/risk detection systems.

When a processor is said to be 'scrubbing hard', that means that they have tightened their rules and are accepting fewer cards based on their risk rules. When they are scrubbing less, it is generally easier for sales to get through.

They look at things like Time of Day for the purchase, country issuing the purchase request, compare card details, past history, credit card authorization data, bank, etc. There are many other things that they look at. Then, their risk management software returns a score -- and that score is compared against the threshhold for that merchant, and if the score is low enough, they take the sale.

Probably a good one for:
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[Cleo]

Scrub refers to the credit card people declining sales by people trying to buy something. At times they may decline cards that at other times they may have approved. Say if they see a CC that has never been used online and is only used to by feminine hygiene products at the drug store that is located one block from the 40 year old lady who's card it is and suddenly they see eight memberships being bought at gay guy pay sites within one hour. Despite the fact that the card is good and not reported stolen the CC says something in up and declines it. During heavy scrubbing they may have declined the CC the first time it was used to buy porn but during light scrubbing they may have been able to buy all eight memberships.

[Cleo]

cd34 types much faster than I do, not fair.

[wicked1]

The alledged CCbill scrub problem is something I strongly believed in up untill about 18 months ago. For my first 18 months in the biz I could not convert a single ccbill sale no matter how much traffic I sent to quite a few sponsors.

Well I have since discovered there seems to be a problem .

But I do not think it is so much CCBILL but how Sponsors add in and track the affiliate codes in FHG's and Free Sites.

I stopped using all hosted galleries and started using my own hosted stuff and used direct sponsor links with my codes in them.

The result was stunning to say the least.

As for the last week my sales have improved overall conversion ratio $0.04 per click 1:224.4

If I break this down to sponsor ratios for the week .

Without mentioning names

Sponsor 1 $0.05 per click 1:123.2
Sponsor 2 $0.05 per click 1:398.0
Sponsor 3 $0.55 per click 1:18.0

Sponsor 3 converted 1:1 yesterday and was sitting on $9.97 for that click

And the rest are 1:200-1:600 overall

Scrubbing may be a problem, but I think affiliate code tracking and click tracking is a far greater problem.

When Joining any ccbill Sponsor these days I always ride the tours to the join page then search for my affiliate code in the source.

In every case the sponsors links that are supplied by ccbill track and many times the hosted ones do not carry your affiliate code and as a result you do not get paid

I'm not calling the majority of sponsors or CCBILL cheats here just pointing out that when you take a close look at what you are linking too your chances of making any $$$ are made even slimmer by affiliate code problems.



Regards,

Wicked1

[Simon]

Scrubbing may be a problem, but I think affiliate code tracking and click tracking is a far greater problem. When Joining any ccbill Sponsor these days I always ride the tours to the join page then search for my affiliate code in the source. In every case the sponsors links that are supplied by ccbill track and many times the hosted ones do not carry your affiliate code and as a result you do not get paid. I'm not calling the majority of sponsors or CCBILL cheats here just pointing out that when you take a close look at what you are linking too your chances of making any $$$ are made even slimmer by affiliate code problems.

Mornin' everyone,

I noticed this thread because I've seen scrubbing become a real problem at times too, although I'd say that in general we don't have as much trouble with CCBill scrubs compared to some others we've used.

But we do use CCBill in our webmaster program, and one thing I really want to comment on here is about the affiliate code not being carried all the way to the join page at times. This was a personal peeve of mine for a long time, and it was one thing we wanted to see if we could improve on a little with our own webmaster affiliate program and with our (soon to come) Hosted Free Sites.

We think we're doing it a good way now on our tours, where the initial link to us begins by setting a CCBill cookie before the surfer even sees the warn page (or whatever tour page the webmaster wishes to target). We do that in the background with php, and you often won't even see anything happen. But if you check that you don't have a cookie from CCBill named 925611 (our account) before you enter our tour, you'll definitely have one as soon as you do.

From that point on there's no need to carry the code forward to our join page since the cookie already exists long before that.

Yes, if a surfer has a 'no-cookie' browser, or surfs with cookies disabled, they're not going to get tagged, but surfers who disable cookies (and/or Javascript) in their browser aren't usually our best candidates for membership -- particularly since CCBill (and others) require those capabilities to even process a signup.*

In our HFS, we'll be using another method to "bury" the webmaster's affiliate code in the URL (a big thank you to swedguy for help with that one!), because we don't want to see the code easily snipped off the end like happens a lot. With this method we're really hoping to see lots of our HFS appear in search engine listings eventually with the webmaster's code right where it should be.

I didn't mean to help hijack this thread to talk about webmaster affiliate code tracking instead of shaving, but the mention of CCBill and hosted promotions not tracking just kind of pulled my trigger this morning. ::grin::

Simon


* Note: I wonder if it would be worth it to identify the no-cookie/no-javascript surfers, and send them someplace other than tours where the join pages require those functions?

[Toby]

Simon,

You elaborate on a very valid point. I always check the links on new FHG's to make sure the affiliate codes are being inserted properly. I do find a link, or sometimes a whole gallery, that isn't coded properly.

Checking for cookies being enabled is something I hadn't considered. Most of my sponsors are CCbill programs. Why burn the bandwidth on someone that can't even sign-up? I'll have to think on where else to send this traffic.

[LB]

Originally Posted by Cleo

It's the CC companies that are doing the scrubbing. CCBill is at the mercy of Visa.

Actually Cleo thats not the case. Each 3rd party biller has a custom scrub on top of the Bank's normal approval/deny process.