TGP/MGP/LL reserve fund

newdom · 2004-11-17, 07:12 AM

We’re thinking of making an affiliate network for traffic traders. We have a system that can generate frontpage sales from linklists, TGP/MGPs etc

If you’re linking/trading with other galleries/lists etc, and they pull a sale from their pages, you’ll see $$, as it gets accumulated into a reserve fund. It’s affiliation without the integration and referrer scripts (centrally administered). Trade with others, and if they sell, everyone collects. Make sense?

Mateusz · 2004-11-17, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by newdom
Make sense?

Maybe I don't understand but why all those who can sell should share with those who can't ?

Useless · 2004-11-17, 08:47 AM

Sounds like you're putting everyone on the doll. You are going to divy out equal shares of the earnings pool to all traffic trading members? That's what mutual based insurance companies do if they make a profit. They send a small portion to all of those they insure.

Something like what you are proposing really needs a much more indepth explanation than what you've stated thus far.

newdom · 2004-11-17, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Mateusz
Maybe I don't understand but why all those who can sell should share with those who can't ?

It would be done proportionally. If site A has contributed 5% of the combined sales, he walks with 5% of the reserve. If site B has contributed, he receives 0% for the period

Useless · 2004-11-17, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by newdom
It would be done proportionally. If site A has contributed 5% of the combined sales, he walks with 5% of the reserve. If site B has contributed, he receives 0% for the period

Now I'm confused. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just attempting to get a handle on this theory. If I make 10% of the pool's sales, I get that 10% of the pool back. Where's the profit? I'm doing the math in my head, which is a mistake anyway, but I'm not seing dollar signs. Do you have any good numerical examples for those of us who are statistically impaired?

Greenguy · 2004-11-17, 09:43 AM

I too need clarification

Let's say that Tommy & I send each other 1000 hits a day. If someone I sent him makes a sale thru his code, I'd get a cut of that? And vice versa?

newdom · 2004-11-17, 10:09 AM

OK, I'm going back to the lab, but before I do...

The referring tgp sends a sale to the site owner. The site owner has registered with us as an account open for affiliation, so they carve off a share to the referring tgp. This is the first pay stream for you. Clixo also carves off a portion of its charges, to go into a collective traffic trading reserve fund. which means you have a second pay stream (this time from clixo) for the same sale. We do this to (1) encourage growth of traffic to the sales opportunities, and (2) to monetise the traffic trades between tgp/mgps etc

I'm getting down with some modelling on this. Keep any thoughts/comments coming, as I think we're pretty close to making it stable

newdom · 2004-11-17, 10:11 AM

Oh, and Useless Warrior? Good analogy, you're right - this is pretty much a dividend for shareholders type structure. will post more soon

Greenguy · 2004-11-17, 10:13 AM

So would we have to swap out all our link codes & use your system?

newdom · 2004-11-17, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
So would we have to swap out all our link codes & use your system?

No, no, no, no - absolutely not!

We wouldn't interfere with any setup already in place, it would all be administered centrally across our billing platform.

Greenguy · 2004-11-17, 10:50 AM

I'm still very confused, so let's use the example of Tommy & me signing up for this - what exactly would we have to do?

newdom · 2004-11-17, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
I'm still very confused, so let's use the example of Tommy & me signing up for this - what exactly would we have to do?

I have to work over some detail in this tonight. Let me come back with a stable illustration

ramtar · 2004-11-17, 10:14 PM

very difficult to understand, anyway I understand this:

Let say I'am your top sales referer, I make 10 sales per day, $30 per sales that os $300

Now you have another webmaster sending 1 sale per day, $30

So that second webmaster will get 10% of webmaster 1 (apart from his $30) because he is able to generate 10% of top webmaster

that's why I understood, but still confused

you need to smoke some

first to understand this

newdom · 2004-11-18, 11:38 AM

OK, here's my illustration. Two gallery owners sign up to a new program. The gallery owner that refers a sale, gets a payment as standard. At the same time, Clixo (us) drops some additional cash into a fund that both of our gallery owners can share equally (as long as they have generated a minimum level of sales per month, let's say one for example). So all webmasters that have signed up to it, will in fact get paid twice that month, providing they have made a sale. If no sale, no slice of the pie.

In effect, a simple way to generate some cash from trading traffic with other affiliated webmasters - eventually, somebody's going to make sales, and if there's enough trading taking place, hopefully everyone will score.

Shit, or a hit?

ClubPussy.com · 2004-11-18, 11:43 AM

So far NoTHING makes sense.

I think, I'll better stick to my business model...
1)... I sent lots of horny people to sponsors sites...
2)... People become so horny and sign up... BLING!
3)... Sponsors send me checks I get Horny then...
4)... Go to bank and Deposit Checks... BIG Smile.
5)... Back Home, I say Fuck It's all well worth it.

hey but that's just me... the little guy....

I wonder GG & TOMMY BM and the rest of the big people here...

newdom · 2004-11-18, 11:48 AM

hmmm, well ClubPussy, I'm sorry to read that. Sure makes sense to me. I was thinking it might be pretty cool to get a little kickback from a syndicate, but hey, I did ask...

ClubPussy.com · 2004-11-18, 11:54 AM

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Clixo (us) drops some additional cash into a fund that both of our gallery owners can share equally

where do you get this additional cash from?

My IQ is over 170 but imagine me as a retard and explain more detailed.. Can You Please.

newdom · 2004-11-18, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by ClubPussy.com
where do you get this additional cash from?

This comes directly from our own margins. As a business, we are commited to finding new ways of growing new markets and communities, so if it takes some investment directly from our own topline, we regard it as an investment.

Greenguy · 2004-11-18, 04:26 PM

So this is an affiliate program that you're opening that will have this little feature built into it?

newdom · 2004-11-19, 05:13 AM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
So this is an affiliate program that you're opening that will have this little feature built into it?

Yes, but only if potentail affiliates think it's useful. If it's just stupid, or a pain in the ass, then I guess we'll stick with the way we are already. I honestly thought it might be a cool way to give some commercial value to the trades that already take place - I fully appreciate that everybody scratches everybody elses back to keep traffic moving, and hopefully, buying - but with this, I though, maybe we could share a little something extra for everybody just showing up and doing their great work.

Greenguy · 2004-11-19, 09:04 AM

Would the links that I use to trade with Tommy (using my example from above once again) have to be changed to some sort of tracking code?

If so, that'd be one downside for me, seeing as I like to use & receive hard links instead of things that go thru scripts & counters & whatnot.

**
BTW - this thread does make complete sense to me now - I think the term "affiliate network for traffic traders" threw me off when I 1st read it. Interesting idea

newdom · 2004-11-19, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
Would the links that I use to trade with Tommy (using my example from above once again) have to be changed to some sort of tracking code?

No. Never.

We know who's signed up as part of the 'syndicate', and who's managed to make a sale, then the database does all the heavy work.

Yeah, sorry for the earlier confusion. Why say 'syndicate' when you can say "affiliate network for traffic traders" - jeez, I can be such a tit...

Thanks for sticking with me. Next step will be to get it looking polished on our site, with some nice program/sponsors to work with

Have a great weekend guys
Dom

ClubPussy.com · 2004-11-19, 09:41 AM

I would like to see some testing first...

GG, "affiliate network for traffic traders" is not a new idea... I trade with a few TRUSTED guys and make nice money from trades. Lots of Bookmarks too....

The problem is when you use a program to control things...
FUCKING cheaters ABUSE it BIG time... BIG BIG TIME.

Owning 15 TGP/MGPs I know what I'm talking about.
I spend nearly 3 hours a day just checking trades.

newdom · 2004-11-19, 11:02 AM

Then I'm going to make it my personal mission to give ClubPussy a break, and have a system that does what it's expected to, and can't be fucked with/shaved etc.

Greenguy · 2004-11-19, 03:11 PM

Well, if you're not tracking the trades via a script, how do you know that a surfer I sent Tommy made a sale thru him & thus I get credit?

2004-11-17, 07:12 AM	#1
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	TGP/MGP/LL reserve fund We’re thinking of making an affiliate network for traffic traders. We have a system that can generate frontpage sales from linklists, TGP/MGPs etc If you’re linking/trading with other galleries/lists etc, and they pull a sale from their pages, you’ll see $$, as it gets accumulated into a reserve fund. It’s affiliation without the integration and referrer scripts (centrally administered). Trade with others, and if they sell, everyone collects. Make sense?

2004-11-17, 08:47 AM	#3
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Sounds like you're putting everyone on the doll. You are going to divy out equal shares of the earnings pool to all traffic trading members? That's what mutual based insurance companies do if they make a profit. They send a small portion to all of those they insure. Something like what you are proposing really needs a much more indepth explanation than what you've stated thus far. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2004-11-17, 09:43 AM	#6
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	I too need clarification Let's say that Tommy & I send each other 1000 hits a day. If someone I sent him makes a sale thru his code, I'd get a cut of that? And vice versa? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-11-17, 10:13 AM	#9
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	So would we have to swap out all our link codes & use your system? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-11-17, 10:50 AM	#11
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	I'm still very confused, so let's use the example of Tommy & me signing up for this - what exactly would we have to do? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-11-17, 10:09 AM	#7
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	OK, I'm going back to the lab, but before I do... The referring tgp sends a sale to the site owner. The site owner has registered with us as an account open for affiliation, so they carve off a share to the referring tgp. This is the first pay stream for you. Clixo also carves off a portion of its charges, to go into a collective traffic trading reserve fund. which means you have a second pay stream (this time from clixo) for the same sale. We do this to (1) encourage growth of traffic to the sales opportunities, and (2) to monetise the traffic trades between tgp/mgps etc I'm getting down with some modelling on this. Keep any thoughts/comments coming, as I think we're pretty close to making it stable

2004-11-17, 10:11 AM	#8
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	Oh, and Useless Warrior? Good analogy, you're right - this is pretty much a dividend for shareholders type structure. will post more soon

2004-11-17, 10:14 PM	#13
ramtar Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Venezuela Posts: 11	very difficult to understand, anyway I understand this: Let say I'am your top sales referer, I make 10 sales per day, $30 per sales that os $300 Now you have another webmaster sending 1 sale per day, $30 So that second webmaster will get 10% of webmaster 1 (apart from his $30) because he is able to generate 10% of top webmaster that's why I understood, but still confused you need to smoke some first to understand this

2004-11-18, 11:38 AM	#14
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	OK, here's my illustration. Two gallery owners sign up to a new program. The gallery owner that refers a sale, gets a payment as standard. At the same time, Clixo (us) drops some additional cash into a fund that both of our gallery owners can share equally (as long as they have generated a minimum level of sales per month, let's say one for example). So all webmasters that have signed up to it, will in fact get paid twice that month, providing they have made a sale. If no sale, no slice of the pie. In effect, a simple way to generate some cash from trading traffic with other affiliated webmasters - eventually, somebody's going to make sales, and if there's enough trading taking place, hopefully everyone will score. Shit, or a hit?

2004-11-18, 11:43 AM	#15
ClubPussy.com A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Deep South!!! Posts: 50	NON SENSE! So far NoTHING makes sense. I think, I'll better stick to my business model... 1)... I sent lots of horny people to sponsors sites... 2)... People become so horny and sign up... BLING! 3)... Sponsors send me checks I get Horny then... 4)... Go to bank and Deposit Checks... BIG Smile. 5)... Back Home, I say Fuck It's all well worth it. hey but that's just me... the little guy.... I wonder GG & TOMMY BM and the rest of the big people here... __________________ ....

2004-11-18, 11:48 AM	#16
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	hmmm, well ClubPussy, I'm sorry to read that. Sure makes sense to me. I was thinking it might be pretty cool to get a little kickback from a syndicate, but hey, I did ask...

2004-11-18, 04:26 PM	#19
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	So this is an affiliate program that you're opening that will have this little feature built into it? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-11-19, 09:04 AM	#21
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	Would the links that I use to trade with Tommy (using my example from above once again) have to be changed to some sort of tracking code? If so, that'd be one downside for me, seeing as I like to use & receive hard links instead of things that go thru scripts & counters & whatnot. BTW - this thread does make complete sense to me now - I think the term "affiliate network for traffic traders" threw me off when I 1st read it. Interesting idea __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network**

2004-11-19, 09:41 AM	#23
ClubPussy.com A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Deep South!!! Posts: 50	Hummmmmmmm? I would like to see some testing first... GG, "affiliate network for traffic traders" is not a new idea... I trade with a few TRUSTED guys and make nice money from trades. Lots of Bookmarks too.... The problem is when you use a program to control things... FUCKING cheaters ABUSE it BIG time... BIG BIG TIME. Owning 15 TGP/MGPs I know what I'm talking about. I spend nearly 3 hours a day just checking trades. __________________ ....

2004-11-19, 11:02 AM	#24
newdom Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	Then I'm going to make it my personal mission to give ClubPussy a break, and have a system that does what it's expected to, and can't be fucked with/shaved etc.

2004-11-19, 03:11 PM	#25
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	Well, if you're not tracking the trades via a script, how do you know that a surfer I sent Tommy made a sale thru him & thus I get credit? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network