How important is it to get your own content

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 08:44 AM

Hi all,

Just wondering about how important it is to get some other content for the free sites. I have been building free sites for a couple of months now, but I am not really happy with the results. I know that there are a lot of factors deciding what your result will be and so I am wondering about the content factor.

Thanks,
Kalle

MrMaryLou · 2004-11-01, 08:53 AM

Buying content is always a good thing

Keeps your sites fresh and increases you chances of getting listed all over

2004-11-01, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrMaryLou
Buying content is always a good thing Keeps your sites fresh and increases you chances of getting listed all over

What he said, but you have to match the content to where you're sending it and make sure it's good content.

Plus down the line you own the content and can do with it as you please.

Ramster · 2004-11-01, 10:25 AM

Buying content is always good yes. But how you promote is important too. Obviously using wording used on the paysite is a good idea. Using similar scenes on the tour is good too.

For example, using hardcore to promote a site that has very little hardcore in the tour is not good. I know it seems obvious but a lot of people do that without really thinking about it.

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 10:27 AM

Hi MrMaryLou and Paul!
Thanks for your replies. I think that I will take a look around to see what I can find that I can use. Gotta try something new and see if I can get my sales up.

Thanks again!

2004-11-01, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramster
Buying content is always good yes. But how you promote is important too. Obviously using wording used on the paysite is a good idea. Using similar scenes on the tour is good too.

For example, using hardcore to promote a site that has very little hardcore in the tour is not good. I know it seems obvious but a lot of people do that without really thinking about it.

Very true.

But here are a few tips from a content provider.

A) Are you getting listed enough on the best TGP sites?
B) If you track them, are your galleries getting lots of hits?
C) Do surfers go to your sponsors?

Look at where you're doing very hard, because somewhere you have a problem and you need to isolate it and then solve it.

SirMoby · 2004-11-01, 10:50 AM

What's more cool then buying porn and using it as a truly legit tax right off?

2004-11-01, 10:52 AM

One thing you could do is give us some links so we can see what you are doing. Easier to tell you what to do then.

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 11:05 AM

Hi Ramster!
Sorry about that.. lol you got your post in right before my reply. Thanks for your reply. Yeah, since my English is not very good I try to go to the tour to see if I can find some "hot" sentences to use cause the ones that I make up hardly will make any surfer excited

Good point to the hardcore content vs softcore tour. Never thought about that one! Will put it in my memory!

Thanks!

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 11:10 AM

Hi Paul,
I think you have just pin pointed what I need to do. I really have to sit down and look how my traffic is doing cause I am doing something wrong lol Right now I feel that I am just entertaining the surfers with the free sites I make and not getting anything back.

I have not done many galleries to TGP as I have been working on the free sites. Perhaps it will be a good idea to do some galleries in addition to the TGP's also! I put that on my list!

Thanks!

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 11:33 AM

shags · 2004-11-01, 01:03 PM

How much traffic do you get from 140 links?

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 01:20 PM

Hi Shags,
I seem to get between 1000-1500 hits pr day to these galleries. On the 30th of october I got 1468 hits to the galleries (the longest one staid for 68 minutes lol....)

Of those about 340 clicked trough to the sponsors.... That would be about 23% of the visitors to the free sites. I have no idea if this is about the normal standards, but I guess that it could be better.

shags · 2004-11-01, 01:45 PM

1500 that’s pretty bad. I get at least 5000 from two weeks submissions and I only use 20 LL

shags · 2004-11-01, 01:53 PM

I can’t find modelnude.ws anywhere on greenguy...

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 02:12 PM

Hi Shags,
Thanks for your reply. "least 5000 from two weeks submissions and I only use 20 LL" and I get 1000-1500 with 140 - wow, sounds like I am doing something seriously wrong!

Well, I just found out with the help of a friend of mine that I have been blacklisted on GG cause some sites of mine as been a bit broader than 800. I seem to have messed up things with that, but I am now aware of it and make my design within the 800x600 style. I have appealed and hopefully I will be able to get listed again in the future. Perhaps that was my main problem?

Ann Omness · 2004-11-01, 02:29 PM

The biggest advantage to buying your own content is that your galleries will be something different. I reject a lot of submissions each day because they're using the same tired old sponsor content that 20 other webmasters have already submitted.

Another advantage to buying content is that you can also use it to make AVS sites. Those can be a big traffic source for upsells.

shags · 2004-11-01, 02:53 PM

Just listen to Marc, TCG and PimpRoll are not the only sponsors with free content.

Quote:

Originally posted by mb
Just to let everyone know... as the submissions continue to increase, we have to get a little pickier about what we accept. We've noticed lots and lots of free sites using the same exact sponsor content submitted two, sometimes three times a day by different webmasters. As a tip, try to signup with lesser known programs and use their content to build free sites. The big guys are sort of a waste of time because the chances are that 95% of the webmasters out there have an account with them and are probably building stuff with their free content.

There are thousands of programs out there that aren't being used but that have great sites to promote. Do your research. Not only will you get listed more of the time, the surfers probably haven't seen the stuff either which will increase your conversions.

marc

kalle7 · 2004-11-01, 05:20 PM

Hi Ann,
Thank you for your reply. Great point on the AVS! Thanks!

Shags (and Marc lol) that is true. I thought that perhaps I had found a sponsor that was not used as much, but I guess that pimproll is popular also. I will have to take a look around and see what I will find. Thanks again!

Linkster · 2004-11-01, 08:04 PM

Definitely agree - I very rarely list any free sites anymore with sponsor content - I get probably 150 sites a day with sponsor content just slapped in the galleries - they go right to the trash bin

Sean416 · 2004-11-02, 12:11 AM

I dunno, I dont like the idea of buying content and promoting some site with it. To me the whole point of free sites and galleries is to give the surfer a taste of what they can expect in the members section, so to sell them on something they cant find in the members section seems silly to me. I know with those old cookie cutter non-exclusive sites you might as well buy your own content because most of the content on those sites have been around for 5years+ and they're on a million different sites. But when it comes to promoting modern reality sites I think its far better to use sponsor content. Either be really fast and pump them out asap, or find smaller programs and use thier content.

Alphawolf · 2004-11-02, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kalle7
Hi Shags,
I seem to get between 1000-1500 hits pr day to these galleries. On the 30th of october I got 1468 hits to the galleries (the longest one staid for 68 minutes lol....)

Of those about 340 clicked trough to the sponsors.... That would be about 23% of the visitors to the free sites. I have no idea if this is about the normal standards, but I guess that it could be better.

Well, I'm not sure of the other programs, but I've done all PR sites to date.

Lesbotrick hasn't been a top seller or converter for a very long time...if ever.

However, you *should* have done really well with Lesbian Sistas.

This depends when you got in on it.

Overall, I am 1:145 with that site, 9 sales with 1306 uniques. 2 free sites for it.

I think it has gotten very popular, and I got in early.

Ebony Dymes I'm 1:574 with 3 sales- 1 free site for it.

I'm not sure which 140 lists you are submitting to and they all count...but it would help to get listed at tommys, a good ranking on penisbot, jays, and GG's site.

I had normally sub'd to 18 LL's which I'm expanding....but even being lazy with the 18 I have done ok.

I am like 99.9% GG wouldn't ban for over 800, just decline.

I forgot what is normally quoted as being enough uniques to make a good decision wheter something is working for you...but say at least 1000 to get a general idea.

I have 16 CDROMs of content I have to go through. Just came in the mail today.

I knew I reached the end of my free content days when I got some declines due to it.

The main benefit of your own content is that you are free to promote any program.

With sponsor content you are fairly well married to that sponsor - if they are good that can be OK for a while, but I got tired of free content dictating what sites I could promote.

BUT, it did accomplish enough sales and I got a better understanding of what works for me at the sponsor with LL traffic- for nothing but hosting and some work.

So, your two choices are:

1) Plug away and try to find sponsors where the content isn't heavily used (surf the link lists to see who is being promoted and with what content) - make sure it's quality content (no more vid caps for some LL's) then pounce on it.

2) Pony up some cash and go searching for content. I posted a thread called "GG&J Regulars what content do you use" or something like that.
There was NO spam in that thread. Just honest recommendations.

Good luck.

Alphawolf · 2004-11-02, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kalle7
Hi Ann,
Thank you for your reply. Great point on the AVS! Thanks!

Shags (and Marc lol) that is true. I thought that perhaps I had found a sponsor that was not used as much, but I guess that pimproll is popular also. I will have to take a look around and see what I will find. Thanks again!

They skinned GFY when they launched the new version.

#5 for GG:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/greeng...04/top20s.html

I think there are at least 4 of us here that have them in our sigs.

They have high visibility and will get more when they release AVP. So, yeah- the days are numbered if not over when you can use their free content.

2004-11-02, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sean416
I dunno, I dont like the idea of buying content and promoting some site with it. To me the whole point of free sites and galleries is to give the surfer a taste of what they can expect in the members section, so to sell them on something they cant find in the members section seems silly to me. I know with those old cookie cutter non-exclusive sites you might as well buy your own content because most of the content on those sites have been around for 5years+ and they're on a million different sites. But when it comes to promoting modern reality sites I think its far better to use sponsor content. Either be really fast and pump them out asap, or find smaller programs and use thier content.

Sorry but you are wrong. You buy from content providers that produce similar or sell to the site that you are promoting. You buy the content as soon as it's released and not look for $2 blow out deals.

Firstly you are getting a far better chance of being listed, secondly the style, niche and "handwriting" of the set fits the target sponsor, thirdly you are building up a wealth of material to use down the line.

Now for the down sides, you have to know what you are buying, what it fits and you have to have the money to spend. But if you start in a business without knowledge or funds how do you expect to succeed?

To make it simple, if you're promoting Iteens, Karups, TeenDream, you would do well to buy from us. I use us as an example because I know what we do.

2004-11-02, 05:56 AM

Kalle 7 I took a look at your links and could not find anything terribly wrong, other than I prefer a straight TGP style page. Some of the images did leave me a little flat so I would recommend paying more attention to what the customer (surfer) is buying.

Some of the target sites seemed very good from the tours and again some left me a little flat, so again more attention to whaere you are sending the traffic. Take a look at some of the porn reviews and see if you can't find better site to send traffic to.

I would suspect maybe an improvemnet in where you are getting listed is called for, quantity and quality of traffic could be a major factor here.

But all in all nothing majorly wrong.

2004-11-01, 08:44 AM	#1
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	How important is it to get your own content Hi all, Just wondering about how important it is to get some other content for the free sites. I have been building free sites for a couple of months now, but I am not really happy with the results. I know that there are a lot of factors deciding what your result will be and so I am wondering about the content factor. Thanks, Kalle __________________

2004-11-01, 08:53 AM	#2
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2004-11-01, 10:25 AM	#4
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2004-11-01, 11:05 AM	#9
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi Ramster! Sorry about that.. lol you got your post in right before my reply. Thanks for your reply. Yeah, since my English is not very good I try to go to the tour to see if I can find some "hot" sentences to use cause the ones that I make up hardly will make any surfer excited Good point to the hardcore content vs softcore tour. Never thought about that one! Will put it in my memory! Thanks! __________________

2004-11-01, 11:10 AM	#10
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi Paul, I think you have just pin pointed what I need to do. I really have to sit down and look how my traffic is doing cause I am doing something wrong lol Right now I feel that I am just entertaining the surfers with the free sites I make and not getting anything back. I have not done many galleries to TGP as I have been working on the free sites. Perhaps it will be a good idea to do some galleries in addition to the TGP's also! I put that on my list! Thanks! __________________

2004-11-01, 10:27 AM	#5
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi MrMaryLou and Paul! Thanks for your replies. I think that I will take a look around to see what I can find that I can use. Gotta try something new and see if I can get my sales up. Thanks again! __________________

2004-11-01, 10:50 AM	#7
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	What's more cool then buying porn and using it as a truly legit tax right off?

2004-11-01, 10:52 AM	#8
Paul Markham2 Guest Posts: n/a	One thing you could do is give us some links so we can see what you are doing. Easier to tell you what to do then.

2004-11-01, 11:33 AM	#11
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	SirMoby! LOL... yeat that is truly a nice benefit! Paul: I posting some of the free sites that I have made lately and I would highly appriciate any suggestions on them. On the last 15 free sites I have made about 3 sales so I am kind of a bit frustrated with the hole thing...lol especially when it takes me a day to make a free site and submit it... I get listed at most places and I submit to about 140 LL with every free site. But I guess that is the click through that is the problem.... But I am not sure... http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/29/black_pussy_lover/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/21/eating_lesbian_pussy/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/25/ebony_lesbian_pic/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/19/first_time_lesbians/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/27/lesbian_lick_pussy/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/28/lesbian_pussy_kissing/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/07/pantie_peek/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/26/ebony_naked/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/05/sexy_brazilian_tranny/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/09/female_shemale/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/11/sexy_pantie_models/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/12/tight_pantie_model/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/22/panty_camel_toe/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/06/anal_threesome/ http://www.modelnude.ws/f/10/04/reality_porn_audition/ __________________

2004-11-01, 01:03 PM	#12
shags I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 88	How much traffic do you get from 140 links?

2004-11-01, 01:20 PM	#13
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi Shags, I seem to get between 1000-1500 hits pr day to these galleries. On the 30th of october I got 1468 hits to the galleries (the longest one staid for 68 minutes lol....) Of those about 340 clicked trough to the sponsors.... That would be about 23% of the visitors to the free sites. I have no idea if this is about the normal standards, but I guess that it could be better. __________________

2004-11-01, 01:45 PM	#14
shags I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 88	1500 that’s pretty bad. I get at least 5000 from two weeks submissions and I only use 20 LL

2004-11-01, 01:53 PM	#15
shags I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 88	I can’t find modelnude.ws anywhere on greenguy...

2004-11-01, 02:12 PM	#16
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi Shags, Thanks for your reply. "least 5000 from two weeks submissions and I only use 20 LL" and I get 1000-1500 with 140 - wow, sounds like I am doing something seriously wrong! Well, I just found out with the help of a friend of mine that I have been blacklisted on GG cause some sites of mine as been a bit broader than 800. I seem to have messed up things with that, but I am now aware of it and make my design within the 800x600 style. I have appealed and hopefully I will be able to get listed again in the future. Perhaps that was my main problem? __________________

2004-11-01, 02:29 PM	#17
Ann Omness If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 308	The biggest advantage to buying your own content is that your galleries will be something different. I reject a lot of submissions each day because they're using the same tired old sponsor content that 20 other webmasters have already submitted. Another advantage to buying content is that you can also use it to make AVS sites. Those can be a big traffic source for upsells. __________________ Blue Wave Adult Links www.bluewavelinks.com/

2004-11-01, 05:20 PM	#19
kalle7 Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here and there... Posts: 182	Hi Ann, Thank you for your reply. Great point on the AVS! Thanks! Shags (and Marc lol) that is true. I thought that perhaps I had found a sponsor that was not used as much, but I guess that pimproll is popular also. I will have to take a look around and see what I will find. Thanks again! __________________

2004-11-01, 08:04 PM	#20
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Definitely agree - I very rarely list any free sites anymore with sponsor content - I get probably 150 sites a day with sponsor content just slapped in the galleries - they go right to the trash bin __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2004-11-02, 12:11 AM	#21
Sean416 Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 207	I dunno, I dont like the idea of buying content and promoting some site with it. To me the whole point of free sites and galleries is to give the surfer a taste of what they can expect in the members section, so to sell them on something they cant find in the members section seems silly to me. I know with those old cookie cutter non-exclusive sites you might as well buy your own content because most of the content on those sites have been around for 5years+ and they're on a million different sites. But when it comes to promoting modern reality sites I think its far better to use sponsor content. Either be really fast and pump them out asap, or find smaller programs and use thier content. __________________ Submit to More Porn For Me Interested in Link Exchanges?

2004-11-02, 05:56 AM	#25
Paul Markham2 Guest Posts: n/a	Kalle 7 I took a look at your links and could not find anything terribly wrong, other than I prefer a straight TGP style page. Some of the images did leave me a little flat so I would recommend paying more attention to what the customer (surfer) is buying. Some of the target sites seemed very good from the tours and again some left me a little flat, so again more attention to whaere you are sending the traffic. Take a look at some of the porn reviews and see if you can't find better site to send traffic to. I would suspect maybe an improvemnet in where you are getting listed is called for, quantity and quality of traffic could be a major factor here. But all in all nothing majorly wrong.