Free Sites v TGP

jazzcat · 2003-09-25, 06:58 PM

As a relative newcomer, could you guys shed any light on the benifits that freesites have over TGP's. Do they have a better click through ratio?, are they likely to get hit more often?

I have been building TGP's for a while and seem to kill bandwidth with very little return.

Comments apprieciated

Cleo · 2003-09-25, 07:10 PM

They are one more traffic source, the more the better.

The traffic is better filtered so the surfer often will find what they are looking for a buy something. Also link lists for the most part don't skim their listings so the traffic tends to be of a higher quality.

Also the listings last far longer then most TGPs which often drop you after a very short time.

Some places are a hybrid of a TGP and link list so the lines can get blurred.

Personally I look at a set of pics that I buy as a few TGP galleries and a free site. The more things that you can build with a set of pics the more chance of a sale and the less the cost per promotional piece.

DangerDave · 2003-09-25, 07:20 PM

What Cleo said...

DD

Cleo · 2003-09-25, 07:23 PM

You know people are going to start talking, we keep on agreeing, your wearing my shoes, watch out Urb is talking about putting you in a box and shipping you to the states.

Bill · 2003-09-25, 07:52 PM

A TGP is a place to post galleries. A TGP is not a gallery.

A gallery is a one page advertisement with 15 or more thumbnailed pictures that you post to a TGP.

In either case, building gallerys or building TGPs, unless you know what you are doing, chances are quite good that you will lose money.

Freesites (or linked freesites, the kind you submit to Greenguy and others) don't make nearly as much money as they used to, but they do usually make money, and are much less likely to lose money than gallerys or TGPs.

Cleo · 2003-09-25, 08:19 PM

Free sites are great place to learn the ropes of this buiness. As Bill posted, "In either case, building gallerys or building TGPs, unless you know what you are doing, chances are quite good that you will lose money." Since free sites consume much less BW and you have 4 pages worth of ads verses only 1 for a TGP gallery you have much more to work with and learn with at a fair lower cost.

This is a complex business. You need to know how to write html code, a little javascript, a bit of design work, Learn How To Sell, where are good sources of content, where are good sources of traffic, what niches you are good at selling, what sponsors work with the niches you are selling, how to build up your own traffic sources which includes proper linking strategies between your pages, and getting your name out and getting known, people prefer to work with familiar names. Coming to the boards was one of the best decisions that I every made.

matt · 2003-09-25, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill
A TGP is a place to post galleries. A TGP is not a gallery.

A gallery is a one page advertisement with 15 or more thumbnailed pictures that you post to a TGP.

OR

is a TGP a thumb gallery page that you post to gallery posts...

I think TGP really mean either now, so you are actually posting a TGP to a TGP....

Bill · 2003-09-25, 08:33 PM

Try telling a TGP owner that you are doing a TGP when you mean gallery, and you will quickly learn the difference.

Among TGP owners, a TGP is a TGP, not a gallery.

Popular usage among people who aren't experienced at the game doesn't make it correct.

I'm just trying to save people embarrassment. I assure you, among TGP owners the two are not the same.

I understand your point. Do you understand mine?

Cleo · 2003-09-25, 08:39 PM

Well I'm even guilty of sometimes calling a gallery a TGP, but Bill is quite right.

If you don't say what you mean then how is someone going to know what you said.

Surfn · 2003-09-25, 09:21 PM

That's why TGP's have partners or paid spots these days. There are too many people that don't know what they are doing submitting things that don't apply. I closed most of mine to new submitters and am thinking about closing the rest. Which is a pity because amongst the morass of shit filling my submits there are a few gems. But the hours of wading through the shit to find the gems is becoming less and less cost effective.

This business is very cyclic and I’m sure the pendulum will swing the other way. I just don’t know when that will happen. Until then I feel for the newbies but then who said this business was easy?

Bill · 2003-09-25, 10:53 PM

I don't mean to be a tightass about it, altho I'll admit it bugs me when I see the two terms used interchangeabley. I also will say I'm "doing tgp" when I'm building gallerys.

But I know some (not all) TGP owners are pretty touchy about it, and if you make that mistake with them they will instantly label you "chump newbie".

So when I'm writing about it or talking about it I try to be careful to say "gallery builder" or "gallery poster". TGP is for when you are running a thumbnail gallery post, managing scripts, and making TGP traffic trades and purchases.

Maybe it's because I didn't want to be labeled "chump newbie", so I'm sensitive to it.

Making significant money posting galleries is tough enough as it is, you want to give yourself every single possible edge.

fetish1 · 2003-09-26, 12:43 AM

jazzcat,

I can't speak for everyone but tpgs eat way too much bw for my tastes and the conversions are much lower than my free sites. You have a one chance do or die shot at the surfer with a tpg, where with a free site you can ideally pretty much push up to 12 out going links and they can go to any combo of advertising you want...ex. fpas to sponsors, your own link lists, your own sites (avs perhaps), etc. Obviously there is money to be made in tgp or there wouldnt be that many out here doing it, but for me I like to spend less to make more, and that wasn't the option that tgp offered me personally.
Good luck deciding....hope you figure out what works best for you

matt · 2003-09-26, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill
Try telling a TGP owner that you are doing a TGP when you mean gallery, and you will quickly learn the difference.

Among TGP owners, a TGP is a TGP, not a gallery.

Popular usage among people who aren't experienced at the game doesn't make it correct.

I'm just trying to save people embarrassment. I assure you, among TGP owners the two are not the same.

I understand your point. Do you understand mine?

I do understand your point Bill, but who writes the rules?

It's my understanding of the english language rules, that any term or acronym that has wide usage becomes a word.

Mabye TGP started out as Thumb Gallery Post, but as with everything in this biz, things change.

This is not a big deal to me at all, I don't care at all one way or the other, but if the newbies out number the owners 10:1 and all newbies call galleries TGP's, I'd say they're TGP's as well as galleries

Pusher · 2003-09-30, 02:07 PM

I tried TGP's a while ago, and basically used a lot of BW for few sales. It may be that I started with free sites and my own link lists as a traffic pump, and I may be more familiar with them, but I still think you are better off with free sites. I think a lot of newbies start with TGP's because they are easier, but without a lot of success. I'd recommend learning how to sell using free sites and link sites, before trying your hand at TGP's

Shaar · 2003-10-04, 06:51 AM

The only answer I can think of is just build, submit, and keep building. Utilize any traffic source you can find. Tgp's might seem to suck ass at first, but if you submit at least one gallery every day it will probably pay off in the long run. Sites may or may not give a return faster on your investment...

With today's oversaturated amount of free porn MOVIES/pics, etc, the savvy tgp/mgp surfer will rarely even see your adds. (Unless they're spectacular, and conveys a need that's really worth anything!!).

Don’t dismiss TGP2's because they appear to return less at first. Do 'em right and one tgp2 gallery may return more than all your free sites/tgp's combined once they're spiderd, and/or listed. Like a simple FPA accessed through the SE's, tgp2 pages can bring in a good amount of signups.

Much like Cleo stated, you can make a lot of things with a set of pictures. Don't just use them for a gallery OR a site... do it all!
One set of photos is one project, which includes everything from picture posts to AVS, and anything else you can think of.

Counting hits is only valuable when you trade traffic or are calculating the signup ratio with those hits to different sponsors... and only if you are counting the hits yourself... and even then things may appear different than what they are.

As is well known, popularity will make you rank higher with many SE's, and although an initial TGP/TGP2/Site/Whatever, listing might only burn BW, the fact that you're listed may give you a few sales down the road through the mighty spider engines :-)

MrMaryLou · 2003-10-04, 09:12 AM

Here is my take on it Free sites are more for a newbie with a learning curve. TGP galleries are not for faint at heart and very unforgiving to the budget. Learn Learn before taking the tgp leap

KCat · 2003-10-05, 02:18 AM

I bet there are plenty of folks who wish they'd had MrMaryLou's advice before they got started TGPing. I've never had much success myself with submitting considering the amount of time it takes. But like Cleo said, a few galleries can equal some TGP submittals, a free site, an AVS site that can be mirrored across a few different networks...

Don't forget to add them to your own hub or fake TGP too!

urb · 2003-10-05, 02:44 PM

I agree with Cleo.

LilBiggz · 2003-10-16, 08:52 AM

My definition of Tgp posting is:

"It's like a slot machine"...

When you Pull The Handle
You Will Win Some Money or You Will Lose Your Ass !

Not to mention it is very addicting... |rasta|

Cleo · 2003-10-16, 08:59 AM

The novelty of watching your counters spin out of control quickly wears off when you see your bank account being sucked dry without seeing your sponsor sales stats going up.

I think the best thing that could happen in this business would be for the TGPs to go away. This isn't going to happen and I'm as big of a TGP whore as everyone else, but we can dream.

I build for both. In fact I usually design a few TGP galleries from new content first and then use those designs to build the free site for this content.

LilBiggz · 2003-10-16, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
The novelty of watching your counters spin out of control quickly wears off

Hahaha,
It's exciting for a while, but like you said it does get old..

Honestly I think Tgp will fade to mostly hosted galleries and partner accounts. I think Tgp owners are getting tired of all the cheaters, huge blacklist etc. etc. The sponsor hosted galleries are a perfect solution, but it will make it tough for new webmasters to get in on future Tgp traffic... jmo

Surfn · 2003-10-16, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LilBiggz
Honestly I think Tgp will fade to mostly hosted galleries and partner accounts. I think Tgp owners are getting tired of all the cheaters, huge blacklist etc. etc. The sponsor hosted galleries are a perfect solution, but it will make it tough for new webmasters to get in on future Tgp traffic... jmo

You're pretty close to dead on for mine.

LilBiggz · 2003-10-16, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Surfn
You're pretty close to dead on for mine.

Haha me too,
I'm starting one and that's the way I'm going to handle things.
Actually I think thats the way it should be, sponsors taking the bw cost and the webmasters "webmastering"...

The old way is like opening up a 7-11...
"Someone is going to stick you up sooner or later"

lmao

Cleo · 2003-10-16, 06:27 PM

I briefly drove a cab, now that was scary…

2003-09-25, 06:58 PM	#1
jazzcat Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 16	Free Sites v TGP As a relative newcomer, could you guys shed any light on the benifits that freesites have over TGP's. Do they have a better click through ratio?, are they likely to get hit more often? I have been building TGP's for a while and seem to kill bandwidth with very little return. Comments apprieciated

2003-09-25, 07:10 PM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	They are one more traffic source, the more the better. The traffic is better filtered so the surfer often will find what they are looking for a buy something. Also link lists for the most part don't skim their listings so the traffic tends to be of a higher quality. Also the listings last far longer then most TGPs which often drop you after a very short time. Some places are a hybrid of a TGP and link list so the lines can get blurred. Personally I look at a set of pics that I buy as a few TGP galleries and a free site. The more things that you can build with a set of pics the more chance of a sale and the less the cost per promotional piece. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-25, 07:20 PM	#3
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2003-09-25, 07:23 PM	#4
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	You know people are going to start talking, we keep on agreeing, your wearing my shoes, watch out Urb is talking about putting you in a box and shipping you to the states. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-25, 08:19 PM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Free sites are great place to learn the ropes of this buiness. As Bill posted, "In either case, building gallerys or building TGPs, unless you know what you are doing, chances are quite good that you will lose money." Since free sites consume much less BW and you have 4 pages worth of ads verses only 1 for a TGP gallery you have much more to work with and learn with at a fair lower cost. This is a complex business. You need to know how to write html code, a little javascript, a bit of design work, Learn How To Sell, where are good sources of content, where are good sources of traffic, what niches you are good at selling, what sponsors work with the niches you are selling, how to build up your own traffic sources which includes proper linking strategies between your pages, and getting your name out and getting known, people prefer to work with familiar names. Coming to the boards was one of the best decisions that I every made. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-25, 07:52 PM	#5
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	A TGP is a place to post galleries. A TGP is not a gallery. A gallery is a one page advertisement with 15 or more thumbnailed pictures that you post to a TGP. In either case, building gallerys or building TGPs, unless you know what you are doing, chances are quite good that you will lose money. Freesites (or linked freesites, the kind you submit to Greenguy and others) don't make nearly as much money as they used to, but they do usually make money, and are much less likely to lose money than gallerys or TGPs.

2003-09-25, 08:33 PM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Try telling a TGP owner that you are doing a TGP when you mean gallery, and you will quickly learn the difference. Among TGP owners, a TGP is a TGP, not a gallery. Popular usage among people who aren't experienced at the game doesn't make it correct. I'm just trying to save people embarrassment. I assure you, among TGP owners the two are not the same. I understand your point. Do you understand mine?

2003-09-25, 08:39 PM	#9
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Well I'm even guilty of sometimes calling a gallery a TGP, but Bill is quite right. If you don't say what you mean then how is someone going to know what you said. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-09-25, 09:21 PM	#10
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	That's why TGP's have partners or paid spots these days. There are too many people that don't know what they are doing submitting things that don't apply. I closed most of mine to new submitters and am thinking about closing the rest. Which is a pity because amongst the morass of shit filling my submits there are a few gems. But the hours of wading through the shit to find the gems is becoming less and less cost effective. This business is very cyclic and I’m sure the pendulum will swing the other way. I just don’t know when that will happen. Until then I feel for the newbies but then who said this business was easy? __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2003-09-25, 10:53 PM	#11
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I don't mean to be a tightass about it, altho I'll admit it bugs me when I see the two terms used interchangeabley. I also will say I'm "doing tgp" when I'm building gallerys. But I know some (not all) TGP owners are pretty touchy about it, and if you make that mistake with them they will instantly label you "chump newbie". So when I'm writing about it or talking about it I try to be careful to say "gallery builder" or "gallery poster". TGP is for when you are running a thumbnail gallery post, managing scripts, and making TGP traffic trades and purchases. Maybe it's because I didn't want to be labeled "chump newbie", so I'm sensitive to it. Making significant money posting galleries is tough enough as it is, you want to give yourself every single possible edge.

2003-09-26, 12:43 AM	#12
fetish1 Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Dakota AKA Frozen Hell Posts: 401	jazzcat, I can't speak for everyone but tpgs eat way too much bw for my tastes and the conversions are much lower than my free sites. You have a one chance do or die shot at the surfer with a tpg, where with a free site you can ideally pretty much push up to 12 out going links and they can go to any combo of advertising you want...ex. fpas to sponsors, your own link lists, your own sites (avs perhaps), etc. Obviously there is money to be made in tgp or there wouldnt be that many out here doing it, but for me I like to spend less to make more, and that wasn't the option that tgp offered me personally. Good luck deciding....hope you figure out what works best for you

2003-09-30, 02:07 PM	#14
Pusher If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 306	I tried TGP's a while ago, and basically used a lot of BW for few sales. It may be that I started with free sites and my own link lists as a traffic pump, and I may be more familiar with them, but I still think you are better off with free sites. I think a lot of newbies start with TGP's because they are easier, but without a lot of success. I'd recommend learning how to sell using free sites and link sites, before trying your hand at TGP's __________________ Adult Sex Sites Submit Sites Here Free Sex Pix Submit Sites Here

2003-10-04, 06:51 AM	#15
Shaar Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: LA Posts: 8	The only answer I can think of is just build, submit, and keep building. Utilize any traffic source you can find. Tgp's might seem to suck ass at first, but if you submit at least one gallery every day it will probably pay off in the long run. Sites may or may not give a return faster on your investment... With today's oversaturated amount of free porn MOVIES/pics, etc, the savvy tgp/mgp surfer will rarely even see your adds. (Unless they're spectacular, and conveys a need that's really worth anything!!). Don’t dismiss TGP2's because they appear to return less at first. Do 'em right and one tgp2 gallery may return more than all your free sites/tgp's combined once they're spiderd, and/or listed. Like a simple FPA accessed through the SE's, tgp2 pages can bring in a good amount of signups. Much like Cleo stated, you can make a lot of things with a set of pictures. Don't just use them for a gallery OR a site... do it all! One set of photos is one project, which includes everything from picture posts to AVS, and anything else you can think of. Counting hits is only valuable when you trade traffic or are calculating the signup ratio with those hits to different sponsors... and only if you are counting the hits yourself... and even then things may appear different than what they are. As is well known, popularity will make you rank higher with many SE's, and although an initial TGP/TGP2/Site/Whatever, listing might only burn BW, the fact that you're listed may give you a few sales down the road through the mighty spider engines :-)

2003-10-04, 09:12 AM	#16
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	Here is my take on it Free sites are more for a newbie with a learning curve. TGP galleries are not for faint at heart and very unforgiving to the budget. Learn Learn before taking the tgp leap __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2003-10-05, 02:18 AM	#17
KCat With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 313	I bet there are plenty of folks who wish they'd had MrMaryLou's advice before they got started TGPing. I've never had much success myself with submitting considering the amount of time it takes. But like Cleo said, a few galleries can equal some TGP submittals, a free site, an AVS site that can be mirrored across a few different networks... Don't forget to add them to your own hub or fake TGP too!

2003-10-05, 02:44 PM	#18
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	I agree with Cleo.

2003-10-16, 08:52 AM	#19
LilBiggz No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 281	My definition of Tgp posting is: "It's like a slot machine"... When you Pull The Handle You Will Win Some Money or You Will Lose Your Ass ! Not to mention it is very addicting... \|rasta\|

2003-10-16, 08:59 AM	#20
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	The novelty of watching your counters spin out of control quickly wears off when you see your bank account being sucked dry without seeing your sponsor sales stats going up. I think the best thing that could happen in this business would be for the TGPs to go away. This isn't going to happen and I'm as big of a TGP whore as everyone else, but we can dream. I build for both. In fact I usually design a few TGP galleries from new content first and then use those designs to build the free site for this content. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-16, 06:27 PM	#24
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I briefly drove a cab, now that was scary… __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289