Now *I* need to vent

JenC · 2004-10-01, 02:30 PM

Being both a sponsor and a webmaster, I can understand both points of view. As a webmaster, you want some great content to promote the sponsor, as a sponsor you want the webmaster to either be happy with the free content and hosted sites we put out or buy your own fucking content.

Anyway I have a webmaster who approaches me asking for access to one of my paysites for some free content. I tell him fine and that he may pick out a few sets. Thinking he's going to pick out about 6 sets or so I get his email back.......he has picked out TWENTY-SEVEN different sets that he wants to use for free!

Sure and why don't I just make my entire fucking paysite available for free??? I felt like I gave him an inch and he took a mile. Not to mention we already have free content, free hosted galleries and free hosted free sites.

WTF??????

kristian · 2004-10-01, 02:56 PM

Jesus Christ, I would be pissed too!!

Sounds like a dick to me. I guess the only recourse you have is to never offer him much in the way of "extra" help ever again. With that kind of attitude he wont be around for long anyway.

Who is it? Anyone we know?

Surfn · 2004-10-01, 03:06 PM

JenC

Only 27 different sets? What's wrong with that?

Kath · 2004-10-01, 03:48 PM

No good deed goes unpunished.

It sucks but it's true.

Raven · 2004-10-01, 03:59 PM

But, Jen....you should give him 27 sets....after all, isn't he going to give you all ten of his hits?

venturi · 2004-10-01, 05:31 PM

Sheesh! Don't y'all know the Enter Web is free?!

SexyTeenGals · 2004-10-01, 07:39 PM

It is definately a two-sided coin.
The more promotional material you make available the more use its going to get. The more legitimate use it gets the more copyright abuse you're going to see. At that point you run into the Digital Millenium Copyright Act ( DMCA ) which clearly states that if you're not the 'original producer' or 'legal consul for the origninal producer' you have no legitimate right to make a copyright abuse complaint.

That is according to a verbatum response that I received from an ISP company about 6 months ago when some flamming idiot sent my tgp site a copy of my licensed material, with my site stamps, using it to promote a Score Group site.

Of course the staff at Score quickly terminated that affiliate account but I was not aware up to that point that I could not make a copyright complaint for my 'licensed content'. That pretty much blew my bubble.

Back to the promotional material, if you can afford to throw content out there like Ernesto ( Nasty Dollars ) does then you should do it. Even though his content gets abused every single day it generates enough traffic for him to compensate for any webmaster abuses.

GunnCat · 2004-10-01, 08:32 PM

I don't see a problem with that. If you have a site worth promoting then you shouldn't have a problem letting your affiliates use whatever they want within reason. I have access to tons of sites, I am allowed to use whatever content I want, and I convert. Everyone is happy.
It would be crappy if they downloaded sets and posted the entire set somewhere, but anyone legit would never do that anyways.

Surfn · 2004-10-01, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't see a problem with that. If you have a site worth promoting then you shouldn't have a problem letting your affiliates use whatever they want within reason. I have access to tons of sites, I am allowed to use whatever content I want, and I convert. Everyone is happy.
It would be crappy if they downloaded sets and posted the entire set somewhere, but anyone legit would never do that anyways.

Hmm, I can't say I agree with your logic.

Kinky · 2004-10-01, 11:21 PM

how many sales/signups does the affiliate send you JenC? 27 sets is IMO ridiculous... i can understand wanting some exclusive content but that is getting out of hand especially if they haven't made you a ton of money already...

JenC · 2004-10-02, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinky
how many sales/signups does the affiliate send you JenC? 27 sets is IMO ridiculous... i can understand wanting some exclusive content but that is getting out of hand especially if they haven't made you a ton of money already...

It would be completely unethical to give his sales figures on here but let's just say NOT EVEN CLOSE enough to warrant getting 27 free sets.

I wouldn't mind giving someone 27 free sets if they could at least send 1-2 sales a day. But someone in that position is most likely able to afford their own content or have so much traffic that they don't need it.

JenC · 2004-10-02, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GunnCat
I don't see a problem with that. If you have a site worth promoting then you shouldn't have a problem letting your affiliates use whatever they want within reason. I have access to tons of sites, I am allowed to use whatever content I want, and I convert. Everyone is happy.
It would be crappy if they downloaded sets and posted the entire set somewhere, but anyone legit would never do that anyways.

The problem is that I'm not Top Bucks or Nasty Dollars. I'm a small sponsor program and I cannot afford to let people rip my content off. See "sexyteengals" post above. He/she hit it on the head in their last paragraph.

And yeah it would be crappy if they downloaded it and posted it somewhere but who's to say that someone ELSE won't steal it from them and pass it on. For the small paysite owner, the best thing to do is just to keep it within your paysite and be tight about whom you let in.

tickler · 2004-10-02, 11:47 PM

You might want to consider some kind of rationing system like LightSpeed had. The more sales, the more content download points you earn.

Of course, you would have to start them off with some miniumum points or "free" content at the start.

Tommy · 2004-10-03, 01:13 PM

I dont think the 27 sets are a problem at all

I think the problem COULD be how the webmaster uses the content

if he made 27 gallerys and submits 1 gallery every 3 or 4 days,
then I dont see any problem

If he posts all 27 gallerys on his tgp at once then theres a big problem

KCat · 2004-10-04, 02:42 AM

I've found some great reality sites to promote & was happy to build & submit a new gallery every day. When I ran through all the free content, I had to move to a new sponsor, unfortunately, since it's not the type of stuff you can buy.

Like Tommy said, I don't see a problem with giving him 27 sets, but maybe not all at once. I'd give him enough for 7 galleries (not full 50+ photo sets, just 20 per set) & see how he did, watch the referring URLs etc. Hopefully you'll have found yourself a great new affiliate.

Why do I always agree with Tommy? |badidea|

spazlabz · 2004-10-04, 06:42 AM

I can understand that someone would want to come into the site and hand pick content that they want to use to promote a site with. But at the same time the sponsor has to be able to have some amount of control over their own content. I think for me personally I would make sure I had plenty of content ready to go for them in my affiliate area and if i was approached by someone who needed more I would simply ask them what they wanted. Depending on who they are and what they have produced for me in the past in way of sales would go a long way to determining just how much additional work I would be willing to put in for them, but it would be work that I would have to be assured was done (URLs on images and site names on vid clips)
once your clips are 'stamped' with your site name my opinion is steal away, its all free promotion.

what it sounds like to me JenC is you have a webmaster just barely out of his surfing diapers who really really liked what he saw in your members area and cant make up his mind as to which sets are the best heh heh

spaz

Frank · 2004-10-04, 08:00 AM

I must be old school. or... maybe missed a point.
Yet... #1 Buy your own content
#2... don't do free host

#3... if a program has a problem. Chill out...
recongnize your major malfunction... correct it. and move on.

Celine · 2004-10-04, 08:23 AM

As long as the content he picked up only serves the promotion of your sites, there is no real "damage", I guess...
Well, this is what I tell our affiliates...
We give access to our member zones to our affiliates at the condition that they have done at least 1 sale within 14 days...
This way, they can pick up content but will not be able to update it if they don't bring new sales...
I think it is a good compromise...

JenC · 2004-10-04, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tommy
I dont think the 27 sets are a problem at all

I think the problem COULD be how the webmaster uses the content

if he made 27 gallerys and submits 1 gallery every 3 or 4 days,
then I dont see any problem

If he posts all 27 gallerys on his tgp at once then theres a big problem

You mean on top of all the free content, free hosted galleries and free hosted free sites worth of content we currently have available? Get outta here!

I hear what you're saying but there's gotta still be something left for my members that they can't get for free. I can't have 100 sets of free pics out there.

Useless · 2004-10-04, 04:40 PM

I really can't post an opinion on this without seeing the pics. So, if you could kindly zip-up those 27 sets and give us a link for download, I'll do a thorough evaluation and get back to you on this matter.

I'd agree that unless this guy is a consistent producer who has been with your program for awhile, I wouldn't give him anymore than what was already available. I do like the idea of rationing content. You are better off slowly adding a few sets here and there, then giving away the full load all at once.

GunnCat · 2004-10-04, 11:19 PM

Jen as I stated before, I don't see anything wrong with allowing your affiliates to download the content to use, but I recommend you find out what his plans are. I have content from affiliates I downloaded months ago and make galleries with them when I need to. It works well for me since my galleries convert and webmasters are happy. However I do understand that if you don't have tons of content it hurts to imagine that all of it would be posted at once somewhere. I would recommend asking for references from the affiliate to find out if they are for real or not. I always provide references as well as my plans for the content, where they will be posted and how long I will promote them.
Best of luck and I hope that this affiliate makes you some great money.

KCat · 2004-10-04, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Useless Warrior
I do like the idea of rationing content. You are better off slowly adding a few sets here and there, then giving away the full load all at once.

I love this idea. Instead of a new affiliate logging into a site like Nasty Dollars & having access to every update they've ever done, why not just post 10 or 15 sets at a time & rotate them out?

Consistent webmasters will be the ones who log in & see the new sets. But somebody just getting his feet wet will have to wait until the next update to get more.

JenC - After taking a peek at your sites, I can't see why your affiliate wouldn't just buy a few sets of content. It's not like they're reality or specific single girl sites. Find an amateur looking busty girl giving a footjob & you can use that set 3 times!

2004-10-01, 03:48 PM	#4
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2004-10-01, 03:59 PM	#5
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2004-10-01, 05:31 PM	#6
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2004-10-01, 07:39 PM	#7
SexyTeenGals Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 13	It is definately a two-sided coin. The more promotional material you make available the more use its going to get. The more legitimate use it gets the more copyright abuse you're going to see. At that point you run into the Digital Millenium Copyright Act ( DMCA ) which clearly states that if you're not the 'original producer' or 'legal consul for the origninal producer' you have no legitimate right to make a copyright abuse complaint. That is according to a verbatum response that I received from an ISP company about 6 months ago when some flamming idiot sent my tgp site a copy of my licensed material, with my site stamps, using it to promote a Score Group site. Of course the staff at Score quickly terminated that affiliate account but I was not aware up to that point that I could not make a copyright complaint for my 'licensed content'. That pretty much blew my bubble. Back to the promotional material, if you can afford to throw content out there like Ernesto ( Nasty Dollars ) does then you should do it. Even though his content gets abused every single day it generates enough traffic for him to compensate for any webmaster abuses. __________________ "I wish I took the blue pill"

2004-10-01, 11:21 PM	#10
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	how many sales/signups does the affiliate send you JenC? 27 sets is IMO ridiculous... i can understand wanting some exclusive content but that is getting out of hand especially if they haven't made you a ton of money already... __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2004-10-01, 02:30 PM	#1
JenC Stupid risks make life worth living Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Eastern Seaboard Posts: 387	*Now I* need to vent** Being both a sponsor and a webmaster, I can understand both points of view. As a webmaster, you want some great content to promote the sponsor, as a sponsor you want the webmaster to either be happy with the free content and hosted sites we put out or buy your own fucking content. Anyway I have a webmaster who approaches me asking for access to one of my paysites for some free content. I tell him fine and that he may pick out a few sets. Thinking he's going to pick out about 6 sets or so I get his email back.......he has picked out TWENTY-SEVEN different sets that he wants to use for free! Sure and why don't I just make my entire fucking paysite available for free??? I felt like I gave him an inch and he took a mile. Not to mention we already have free content, free hosted galleries and free hosted free sites. WTF?????? __________________ THIS IS MY SIG - CLICK IT.

2004-10-01, 02:56 PM	#2
kristian Porn Movie Peddler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Malta (France In Nov) Posts: 1,631	Jesus Christ, I would be pissed too!! Sounds like a dick to me. I guess the only recourse you have is to never offer him much in the way of "extra" help ever again. With that kind of attitude he wont be around for long anyway. Who is it? Anyone we know? __________________ Promote Dating \| Popular Post : Get Free Dating Traffic - 5 Tips

2004-10-01, 03:06 PM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	JenC Only 27 different sets? What's wrong with that? __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-10-01, 08:32 PM	#8
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	I don't see a problem with that. If you have a site worth promoting then you shouldn't have a problem letting your affiliates use whatever they want within reason. I have access to tons of sites, I am allowed to use whatever content I want, and I convert. Everyone is happy. It would be crappy if they downloaded sets and posted the entire set somewhere, but anyone legit would never do that anyways.

2004-10-02, 11:47 PM	#13
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	You might want to consider some kind of rationing system like LightSpeed had. The more sales, the more content download points you earn. Of course, you would have to start them off with some miniumum points or "free" content at the start. __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2004-10-03, 01:13 PM	#14
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	I dont think the 27 sets are a problem at all I think the problem COULD be how the webmaster uses the content if he made 27 gallerys and submits 1 gallery every 3 or 4 days, then I dont see any problem If he posts all 27 gallerys on his tgp at once then theres a big problem __________________ Accepting New partners

2004-10-04, 02:42 AM	#15
KCat With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 313	I've found some great reality sites to promote & was happy to build & submit a new gallery every day. When I ran through all the free content, I had to move to a new sponsor, unfortunately, since it's not the type of stuff you can buy. Like Tommy said, I don't see a problem with giving him 27 sets, but maybe not all at once. I'd give him enough for 7 galleries (not full 50+ photo sets, just 20 per set) & see how he did, watch the referring URLs etc. Hopefully you'll have found yourself a great new affiliate. Why do I always agree with Tommy? \|badidea\|

2004-10-04, 06:42 AM	#16
spazlabz You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bluegrass State Posts: 963	I can understand that someone would want to come into the site and hand pick content that they want to use to promote a site with. But at the same time the sponsor has to be able to have some amount of control over their own content. I think for me personally I would make sure I had plenty of content ready to go for them in my affiliate area and if i was approached by someone who needed more I would simply ask them what they wanted. Depending on who they are and what they have produced for me in the past in way of sales would go a long way to determining just how much additional work I would be willing to put in for them, but it would be work that I would have to be assured was done (URLs on images and site names on vid clips) once your clips are 'stamped' with your site name my opinion is steal away, its all free promotion. what it sounds like to me JenC is you have a webmaster just barely out of his surfing diapers who really really liked what he saw in your members area and cant make up his mind as to which sets are the best heh heh spaz __________________

2004-10-04, 08:00 AM	#17
Frank Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 70	I must be old school. or... maybe missed a point. Yet... #1 Buy your own content #2... don't do free host #3... if a program has a problem. Chill out... recongnize your major malfunction... correct it. and move on.

2004-10-04, 08:23 AM	#18
Celine WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 46	As long as the content he picked up only serves the promotion of your sites, there is no real "damage", I guess... Well, this is what I tell our affiliates... We give access to our member zones to our affiliates at the condition that they have done at least 1 sale within 14 days... This way, they can pick up content but will not be able to update it if they don't bring new sales... I think it is a good compromise... __________________ Desktop Strippers in HD www.virtuagirlhd.com. www.totemcash.com

2004-10-04, 04:40 PM	#20
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I really can't post an opinion on this without seeing the pics. So, if you could kindly zip-up those 27 sets and give us a link for download, I'll do a thorough evaluation and get back to you on this matter. I'd agree that unless this guy is a consistent producer who has been with your program for awhile, I wouldn't give him anymore than what was already available. I do like the idea of rationing content. You are better off slowly adding a few sets here and there, then giving away the full load all at once. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2004-10-04, 11:19 PM	#21
GunnCat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 547	Jen as I stated before, I don't see anything wrong with allowing your affiliates to download the content to use, but I recommend you find out what his plans are. I have content from affiliates I downloaded months ago and make galleries with them when I need to. It works well for me since my galleries convert and webmasters are happy. However I do understand that if you don't have tons of content it hurts to imagine that all of it would be posted at once somewhere. I would recommend asking for references from the affiliate to find out if they are for real or not. I always provide references as well as my plans for the content, where they will be posted and how long I will promote them. Best of luck and I hope that this affiliate makes you some great money.