Jay’s Sponsor Content Solution (Controversial)

xxxjay · 2004-05-25, 03:22 AM

Jay’s Sponsor Content Solution (Controversial)

There’s been a debate over what sponsor content is accepted and listed on Jay’s XXX Links. I can appreciate the fact that displaying sites with galleries that match the site you are trying to promote does seem to help conversions. However, if I allowed every single person (even my friends) to submit the Topbucks or Nasty Dollars content every day:

1. My listings will become saturated with the same content.
2. Surfers will tire of seeing the same content and conversions to the paysites will drop.
3. The surfers will have seen everything on the sponsor’s site and there will be no point of signing up.

What I have a solution that should work for everyone. If you want to use sponsor content you must be signed up UNDER ME as an affiliate. So as not piss off any programs, I will DOUBLE the length of a standard listing from 180 days to 360 days.

That means: More traffic for you, more traffic for the programs involved, and more money for me.

Even with this change, this does not mean to build crappy template sites with content that has already been listed 10,000 times. This does not mean automatic listing. All the usual rules for a listing at Jay’s XXX Links still apply.

Make the best sites that you possibly can, and as a bonus:

Sites I think will do extraordinarily well get listings in up to three different categories that could include some crossover. Such as: an amateur blowjob site could get listed in amateur, blowjobs, and cumshots.

Ok, so have you read all of that? Here’s what you have to do to get in on this:

1. You must be in good standing as a submitter to Jay’s XXX Links.

2. You must sign up to one of these programs listed using MY referral code! Here is a list of programs I am including now. You must sign up with the links on this list!

http://jays-xxx-links.com/links/webmasters.html (this list will expand soon)

If you are already using one of these programs, YOU MUST SIGN UP WITH A NEW ACCOUNT UNDER ME!!

3. You need to FORWARD THE ACCEPTANCE EMAIL FROM THE SPONSOR to jayq2@comcast.net

4. Daretwo and I will come to a decision on whether to accept or deny your request.

5. Once you accepted, you will be given a special URL to submit your sites, where you must include your account number in the notes of your submission! When your sites are listed, they will go up on Jay’s for 360 days. Exceptional work will be given multiple listings. You will definitely me making quite a few sales from these links, I will get a little piece of it, it will cost you nothing, and it will solve the great sponsor debate!

Anyone, trying to cheat this program will be permanently banned from Jays and your info will be shared with any other LL owners that want it.

Here’s the link:
http://jays-xxx-links.com/sponsor_content.html

Fonz · 2004-05-25, 04:23 AM

Jay,

You recip is usually between a bunch of recips from other big LL's that don't allow that particular content. So this means the freesite will only be accepted at your site and not at the others. Other from you getting some reffered webmasters I don't see how this is beneficiary. It's more like a closed circle between your site and the submitter's freesite and free traffic for the other LL's that didn't listed the freesite.

hmmm... coming to think of it.. it's only in the submitter's disadvantage

ah well.. they should just buy some content and everybody is happy

If I'm too short-sighted please let me know

RawAlex · 2004-05-25, 10:23 AM

Jay, the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that webmaster programs probably aren't going to be happy to pay a commission for a webmaster that is already part of their program. Also, many programs specifically state "one account per webmaster", so I am not entirely sure how you get around that.

Good luck with it, though!

Alex

xxxjay · 2004-05-25, 12:30 PM

Fonz - I was under the impression less sponsor stuff was getting listed over here.

Rawalex - I can't think of one program that would turn away new affiliates or more traffic.

Jaden · 2004-05-25, 02:39 PM

Hi Jay,
Just wanted to clarify to make sure I am understanding everything.
Okay, so basically if we want to use sponsor content at all, we just need to sign up under you. I am thinking though, that what RawAlex said is true, that if we are already signed up for those programs with one affiliate ID that most programs are not going to want us to either sign up for another account so that we have two active accounts, or combine an old account and new account so that they can start paying out a referral on an account they never have before.

So, it seems that this is basically something that is only going to work for new affiliates to the programs, and for you to get more submits from maybe some newer webmasters??? And for those of us who have been submitting for quite awhile in good standing, we are just kinda out of luck as far as sponsor content goes, and are at a disadvantage for using our own content, or specific niche content that is outside of the sponsors on that list?

I guess, as someone who has been building sites for awhile and does use sponsor content sometimes, depending on the niche and site, it does seem like being penalized for having already signed to the sponsors I have. I mean as a LL owner it makes perfect sense, but as a submitter it seems rather unfair.

xfalmp · 2004-05-25, 05:54 PM

What about sponsors who don't have a referral program?

And what if other LLs owners follow the tendence, we'll have a little conflict, won't we?

RawAlex · 2004-05-25, 09:24 PM

Jay, as Jaden alluded to, there will be a problem if people are already part of the sponsor's program. The percentage or fee those programs pay you are to get NEW webmasters to sign up, not to get existing ones to signup. I don't think the programs want to add 5% or 10% to their payouts on existing webmasters to pay you for it.

Have you checked with any programs on this issue?

Alex

xxxjay · 2004-05-25, 10:15 PM

Maybe what I might have to do is only allow certian select good webmasters that don't already have an account with a sponsor to use thier content with a NEW account.

To be honest, I haven't been smoking pot for nearly a year and just got back on it. That could be the reason for that brainstorm.

Back to the drawing board.

LOL

dareutwo · 2004-05-25, 10:54 PM

It seemed to be a good idea in theory? (though after review not that practical) -
Simply trying to find a Win/Win way to list more sponsor content for newbies especially, AND spread everything out.
Seems to be easier said than done.
Like Jay said, Back to the drawing board.

(though I'm sure any help with a marker on the black board would be appreciated)

xxxjay · 2004-05-25, 11:02 PM

One thing I would like to mention to the critics of my idea - the reason I could ask for something like this over other linklists is because I have A TON OF VERY HIGH QUALITY TRAFFIC, we review and add new submissions every day.

I get email all the time from webmasters that love it because when they are listed with me - THEY MAKE SALES.

I give away awesome free listings. There are a ton of TGPs that you can buy a gallery spot for a hefty price that would would probably make less sales on.

I will still work out deal privately on this project.

XPorn · 2004-05-26, 01:01 AM

I think Jays idea is cool. But yea....as an overall rule it would butt heads with other LL owners....but a very cool pot induced idea....I'm sure in private deals it might work. But I know I'd be leary of every BangBros site that was submitted to FreeSiteXXX.com from now on (that had Jays Recip ;-)

oh..did I mention I'm drunk right now......

XPorn

Fonz · 2004-05-26, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
One thing I would like to mention to the critics of my idea - the reason I could ask for something like this over other linklists is because I have A TON OF VERY HIGH QUALITY TRAFFIC, we review and add new submissions every day.

I get email all the time from webmasters that love it because when they are listed with me - THEY MAKE SALES.

I give away awesome free listings. There are a ton of TGPs that you can buy a gallery spot for a hefty price that would would probably make less sales on.

Can't argue with that Jay

xxxjay · 2004-05-27, 01:53 PM

I have a few people who signed up with new accounts for my sponsors getting this deal now.

This can work on a scaled down level.

BeHeadR · 2004-05-31, 09:49 PM

Well luckily I am just coming back from a year long vacation from the industry -- I wasnt an affiliate of some of the sponsors so I think this will work ok for people like myself. Don't hate

ewriter · 2004-06-01, 11:48 AM

As a webmaster who uses sponsor content occasionally, I can see Jay's and other LL point about some sponsor content being overused to the point that surfers are tired of seeing the same old shit.

I buy content from various vendors quite a bit, but whenever a sponsor is shooting their own nitche content for say a MILF or Teacher or Secretary type site, it's damn hard to find THAT kind of content from the content suppliers. I've found some, but not very much that could be used in the nitches I mentioned.

Maybe this is something that the content suppliers might want to look into.=)

Thotmes · 2004-06-01, 12:03 PM

Hi Jay

I understand you but if all LL owners, small and big ones, will do in the same way, free site submitters will have to get hundreds of account in each program ! So maybe you should close your LL for submitting and open severral submitting accounts for webmasters who will work only for you.

But putting all eggs into one basket.

Thotmes

thrillho · 2004-06-01, 11:52 PM

Jay,

I've got a couple of sponsors that convert pretty regularly for me, and they sometimes either send me some of their member content to use or let me go into the members area and grab some sets. Both do have their site name on the pics, but, as these are not photos that are posted in affiliate areas for general use, they're not going to have that kind of (over)exposure. Would these be acceptable for regular submission, or do you not want any sponsor content whatsoever?

Thanks,
Lee

dareutwo · 2004-06-02, 12:00 AM

Lee -
Reach me via icq 1723977 and we'll go from there.

xxxjay · 2004-06-06, 06:55 PM

Hey even if you use paid content but promote sites with that account - the deal is still open to you. Then you can get listed on the other LLs.

Just let me know.

2004-05-25, 03:22 AM	#1
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Jay’s Sponsor Content Solution (Controversial) Jay’s Sponsor Content Solution (Controversial) There’s been a debate over what sponsor content is accepted and listed on Jay’s XXX Links. I can appreciate the fact that displaying sites with galleries that match the site you are trying to promote does seem to help conversions. However, if I allowed every single person (even my friends) to submit the Topbucks or Nasty Dollars content every day: 1. My listings will become saturated with the same content. 2. Surfers will tire of seeing the same content and conversions to the paysites will drop. 3. The surfers will have seen everything on the sponsor’s site and there will be no point of signing up. What I have a solution that should work for everyone. If you want to use sponsor content you must be signed up UNDER ME as an affiliate. So as not piss off any programs, I will DOUBLE the length of a standard listing from 180 days to 360 days. That means: More traffic for you, more traffic for the programs involved, and more money for me. Even with this change, this does not mean to build crappy template sites with content that has already been listed 10,000 times. This does not mean automatic listing. All the usual rules for a listing at Jay’s XXX Links still apply. Make the best sites that you possibly can, and as a bonus: Sites I think will do extraordinarily well get listings in up to three different categories that could include some crossover. Such as: an amateur blowjob site could get listed in amateur, blowjobs, and cumshots. Ok, so have you read all of that? Here’s what you have to do to get in on this: 1. You must be in good standing as a submitter to Jay’s XXX Links. 2. You must sign up to one of these programs listed using MY referral code! Here is a list of programs I am including now. You must sign up with the links on this list! http://jays-xxx-links.com/links/webmasters.html (this list will expand soon) If you are already using one of these programs, YOU MUST SIGN UP WITH A NEW ACCOUNT UNDER ME!! 3. You need to FORWARD THE ACCEPTANCE EMAIL FROM THE SPONSOR to jayq2@comcast.net 4. Daretwo and I will come to a decision on whether to accept or deny your request. 5. Once you accepted, you will be given a special URL to submit your sites, where you must include your account number in the notes of your submission! When your sites are listed, they will go up on Jay’s for 360 days. Exceptional work will be given multiple listings. You will definitely me making quite a few sales from these links, I will get a little piece of it, it will cost you nothing, and it will solve the great sponsor debate! Anyone, trying to cheat this program will be permanently banned from Jays and your info will be shared with any other LL owners that want it. Here’s the link: http://jays-xxx-links.com/sponsor_content.html __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2004-05-25 at 03:40 AM..

2004-05-25, 04:23 AM	#2
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,930	Jay, You recip is usually between a bunch of recips from other big LL's that don't allow that particular content. So this means the freesite will only be accepted at your site and not at the others. Other from you getting some reffered webmasters I don't see how this is beneficiary. It's more like a closed circle between your site and the submitter's freesite and free traffic for the other LL's that didn't listed the freesite. hmmm... coming to think of it.. it's only in the submitter's disadvantage ah well.. they should just buy some content and everybody is happy If I'm too short-sighted please let me know __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog

2004-05-25, 12:30 PM	#4
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Fonz - I was under the impression less sponsor stuff was getting listed over here. Rawalex - I can't think of one program that would turn away new affiliates or more traffic. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-05-25, 10:15 PM	#8
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Maybe what I might have to do is only allow certian select good webmasters that don't already have an account with a sponsor to use thier content with a NEW account. To be honest, I haven't been smoking pot for nearly a year and just got back on it. That could be the reason for that brainstorm. Back to the drawing board. LOL __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2004-05-25 at 11:00 PM..

2004-05-25, 10:54 PM	#9
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	It seemed to be a good idea in theory? (though after review not that practical) - Simply trying to find a Win/Win way to list more sponsor content for newbies especially, AND spread everything out. Seems to be easier said than done. Like Jay said, Back to the drawing board. (though I'm sure any help with a marker on the black board would be appreciated) __________________ This is me Mark's-Links

2004-05-25, 10:23 AM	#3
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Jay, the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is that webmaster programs probably aren't going to be happy to pay a commission for a webmaster that is already part of their program. Also, many programs specifically state "one account per webmaster", so I am not entirely sure how you get around that. Good luck with it, though! Alex

2004-05-25, 02:39 PM	#5
Jaden Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 119	Hi Jay, Just wanted to clarify to make sure I am understanding everything. Okay, so basically if we want to use sponsor content at all, we just need to sign up under you. I am thinking though, that what RawAlex said is true, that if we are already signed up for those programs with one affiliate ID that most programs are not going to want us to either sign up for another account so that we have two active accounts, or combine an old account and new account so that they can start paying out a referral on an account they never have before. So, it seems that this is basically something that is only going to work for new affiliates to the programs, and for you to get more submits from maybe some newer webmasters??? And for those of us who have been submitting for quite awhile in good standing, we are just kinda out of luck as far as sponsor content goes, and are at a disadvantage for using our own content, or specific niche content that is outside of the sponsors on that list? I guess, as someone who has been building sites for awhile and does use sponsor content sometimes, depending on the niche and site, it does seem like being penalized for having already signed to the sponsors I have. I mean as a LL owner it makes perfect sense, but as a submitter it seems rather unfair.

2004-05-25, 05:54 PM	#6
xfalmp Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 78	What about sponsors who don't have a referral program? And what if other LLs owners follow the tendence, we'll have a little conflict, won't we?

2004-05-25, 09:24 PM	#7
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Jay, as Jaden alluded to, there will be a problem if people are already part of the sponsor's program. The percentage or fee those programs pay you are to get NEW webmasters to sign up, not to get existing ones to signup. I don't think the programs want to add 5% or 10% to their payouts on existing webmasters to pay you for it. Have you checked with any programs on this issue? Alex

2004-05-25, 11:02 PM	#10
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	One thing I would like to mention to the critics of my idea - the reason I could ask for something like this over other linklists is because I have A TON OF VERY HIGH QUALITY TRAFFIC, we review and add new submissions every day. I get email all the time from webmasters that love it because when they are listed with me - THEY MAKE SALES. I give away awesome free listings. There are a ton of TGPs that you can buy a gallery spot for a hefty price that would would probably make less sales on. I will still work out deal privately on this project. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-05-26, 01:01 AM	#11
XPorn Selling a LL? Text site? PM me Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: MI Posts: 661	I think Jays idea is cool. But yea....as an overall rule it would butt heads with other LL owners....but a very cool pot induced idea....I'm sure in private deals it might work. But I know I'd be leary of every BangBros site that was submitted to FreeSiteXXX.com from now on (that had Jays Recip ;-) oh..did I mention I'm drunk right now...... XPorn __________________ Free Sites? -> Free Site XXX Smut Links Gay Pervs

2004-05-27, 01:53 PM	#13
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	I have a few people who signed up with new accounts for my sponsors getting this deal now. This can work on a scaled down level. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-05-31, 09:49 PM	#14
BeHeadR Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1	Well luckily I am just coming back from a year long vacation from the industry -- I wasnt an affiliate of some of the sponsors so I think this will work ok for people like myself. Don't hate

2004-06-01, 11:48 AM	#15
ewriter If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Landrum, SC Posts: 38	overused sponsor content As a webmaster who uses sponsor content occasionally, I can see Jay's and other LL point about some sponsor content being overused to the point that surfers are tired of seeing the same old shit. I buy content from various vendors quite a bit, but whenever a sponsor is shooting their own nitche content for say a MILF or Teacher or Secretary type site, it's damn hard to find THAT kind of content from the content suppliers. I've found some, but not very much that could be used in the nitches I mentioned. Maybe this is something that the content suppliers might want to look into.=) __________________ Sam E. Phifer

2004-06-01, 12:03 PM	#16
Thotmes And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 225	Bad idea in my opinion Hi Jay I understand you but if all LL owners, small and big ones, will do in the same way, free site submitters will have to get hundreds of account in each program ! So maybe you should close your LL for submitting and open severral submitting accounts for webmasters who will work only for you. But putting all eggs into one basket. Thotmes __________________ ICQ 313868917 Submit Free Black Sites Let's check who pay me!

2004-06-01, 11:52 PM	#17
thrillho Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 194	Jay, I've got a couple of sponsors that convert pretty regularly for me, and they sometimes either send me some of their member content to use or let me go into the members area and grab some sets. Both do have their site name on the pics, but, as these are not photos that are posted in affiliate areas for general use, they're not going to have that kind of (over)exposure. Would these be acceptable for regular submission, or do you not want any sponsor content whatsoever? Thanks, Lee

2004-06-02, 12:00 AM	#18
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	Lee - Reach me via icq 1723977 and we'll go from there. __________________ This is me Mark's-Links

2004-06-06, 06:55 PM	#19
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	Hey even if you use paid content but promote sites with that account - the deal is still open to you. Then you can get listed on the other LLs. Just let me know. __________________ Circle Of Violence