Dynamic Content and SE's

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 10:13 AM

As far as Search Engines and dynamic content go... how is dynamic content spidered by SE's? I've noticed that my static pages are containing all of the PR for Google...everything that is dynamically created doesn't show any PR.

I'm not very familiar with working SE's, my main background is in back-end development and a little bit of design.

All of my sites are PHP/MySQL, except for galleries and such, which are all static HTML. Should I make some changes and have a system setup that creates static pages from my dynamic content, rather than using straight-up live, dynamic sites?

Thanks! :cool:

Tart · 2003-04-02, 10:19 AM

I'd like to hear the answer to this as well.. been starting to learn more about php/MySQL but had the same wonderings about how it works with search engines. Easier to update vs. page ranking, alot of factors to weigh in...

Greenguy · 2003-04-02, 10:23 AM

I think that when they spider, they would look at whatever is on the page at them time, but I also have to assume that it depends alot on the file extension on the page (you don't see alot of cgi pages in the SE results)

But of course I am just guessing

Let me see if I can scare up a few people that know a little more about this than I do

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 10:26 AM

That's what I thought as well GreenGuy, but it doesn't seem to be that way on my sites for some reason. :banghead: My static pages are the only ones holding any kind of PR on Google, all of the dynamic pages are nil. /mad/

I could just be taking the wrong route when I'm coding these sites, would be nice to know how it works before I get further along and create more work for myself. :cool:

Thanks!

Tart · 2003-04-02, 10:49 AM

I agree completely with not wanting to go back and have to redo things... I'd much rather invest my time in researching ahead of time!

Thanks for hunting up help GG!

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 10:53 AM

Exactly Tart!

..and if you need help with PHP/MySQL sometime, hit me up. Contact info is in my profile. :cool: I've been using it for about 2 years now, still don't consider myself an expert at it, but I may be able to help out.

Tart · 2003-04-02, 11:04 AM

Thanks Fuseblown... I might just take you up on that! Right now I'm mainly reading up on what it can do, and how it works.. I'm self taught all the way and in the past have learned how to "make things work" without knowing why. Definately can create problems down the line :dazed:

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tart
Thanks Fuseblown... I might just take you up on that! Right now I'm mainly reading up on what it can do, and how it works.. I'm self taught all the way and in the past have learned how to "make things work" without knowing why. Definately can create problems down the line :dazed:

I'm the same way. It's all good.

What you can do is almost limitless, PHP keeps getting better and better features....version 5 should kick mucho ass. The offer is always open. :cool:

DangerDave · 2003-04-02, 11:48 AM

Many SE's do spider and list dynamic pages but some do not...

If we are talking about the Google monster... in the past Google has stuck to static HTML pages.

But in the last update(and since) they have started adding dynamic and dynamic cgi/php pages.. and as you should know Google loves "new" pages... so dynamic is good.

Fresh, relevant dynamic content will bring Freshbots, and Googlebot back to your pages regularly...

Eg;

http://www.phpbb.com/ - spidered and ranked

http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=34816 <- now spidered and ranked

http://216.239.33.100/search?sourcei...hp%3Ft%3D34816 <- cached page

Google friendly links are vital, as are relevant keywords and text within the page. Multiple "?" "&" "=" etc are not SE friendly.

Quote:

you don't see alot of cgi pages in the SE results

But you will from now on..
:gg:

Fuseblown - can you show me an example of what is and isnt spidered? (understand if you dont want to post it

)

DD

Tart · 2003-04-02, 12:07 PM

That is great news Dave! I mainly want to use php to make it easier to update and change my linklist.. the static pages I have now seem to be doing okay in the SE's but are a regular pain to keep current.

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 12:09 PM

Thanks DangerDave for the reply!

I sent you a PM with the URL and I'll explain in a little more detail in here so that others know what I'm talking about.

How recently has Google started doing this? I am mainly talking Google PR right now, as I haven't been watching what the other SE's have been doing in much detail.

I'm not too familiar with SEO and that's definately something that I need to fix ASAP. I AM getting decent SE traffic, but I'm only getting SE traffic to my static sites it seems (my galleries, freesites, and any static warning pages, ad pages, etc. that I have).

All static pages have some sort of Google PR...but as soon as I get to my dynamic pages, I either have no PR (the PageRank on the Google toolbar is greyed out--even after Googlebot has visited me for a couple of months, so it's not an update backlog as far as I know) or the PR is 0. All of my dynamic and static pages have the same trends going on.

Again, it may be something that I'm not doing right as far as SEO in general goes, but it seems odd that my dynamic pages seem to be left out.

Linkster · 2003-04-02, 06:27 PM

Hi all....thought Id throw in a few cents here too

DDave...its definitely nice seeing them go after the dynamic stuff....some of the limitations Ive seen so far are passing more than two variables after a cgi? statement and passing session unique parameters such as a session id...those seem to throw the Google spider a big roadblock...but since they are just getting into this end of spidering Im sure they'll get better.
Got to agree with the freshness aspect too.....seems the fresher content you can get out there the more you get visited in my experiences.

One othere thing that goes along with this is to make sure that cgi you dont want spidered gets protected in the robots.txt as Google loves to go after every link it finds

RawAlex · 2003-04-02, 06:45 PM

Google does still have some issues with longer URLs with alot of stuff after the ?... but I can tell you, dynamically generated pages are good food for google, but remember to keep the content on those pages unique - too much repetition will get you shut out just as fast as you are spidered.

Alex

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
but remember to keep the content on those pages unique - too much repetition will get you shut out just as fast as you are spidered.

Maybe that's where I'm having troubles... the sites I'm talking about are text link TGP's.. and a TON of keywords are repeated through the pages, between the gallery listing and the text link ads and such I have as well. This is possibly the problem?

Murderous · 2003-04-02, 07:11 PM

I had to throw in a bit of two cents. I am still very much a newbie in most aspects of web design/building. However, here lately, I have been watching my SE traffic closely. I run a TGP, and I've been looking at the keyphrases used to locate my site. Now I have no idea what PR I am, but, 10% of my SE traffic is from keywords like teen galleries. But Alot of wierd keywords are coming in from listed galleries descriptions, even after the gallery has been out of rotation as much as a week plus days. Some of these phrases I didn't even know existed on my pages. But I get hit by google, like once every 3-4 days sometimes more frequently. And different keyword searches are coming in everyday.

So I think GreenGuy has a good point, they will list that content that is on your page at the time of spidering your site, but as far as PR, I would say it changes. Maybe, Dynamic vs. Static content on that page can be taken into account. Whereas most of my page stays the same, while only gallery descriptios/URL's are changed upon update.
I think the more that is changed the more that is gonna be effected on PR. And the more that is not changed, the PR can only be supported by the added integrity of new keyphrases from updates.

I hope this is readable enough for you to understand my points. I'm typing as fast as I can think.

And like I said I'm still very much a newbie.

Linkster · 2003-04-02, 08:45 PM

Hi Murderous

In answer to your remark about your PR...if its for your site you have linked on your msg...it PR=1...
Althoughin my book Im seeing a whole lot less emphasis being placed on PR

The links you see in Google do change pretty frequently as you have seen and with that in mind you can see loads of different keyword searches over time...
The changing dynamic content has been handled by some by just running a program that can take that dynamic content and generate "archived" static content on a routine basis which adds that content Google loves as DDave mentioned above.
The same is done frequently on TGPs where you move the galleries to archive pages that are linked from the main page. And are normally targetted by niche which seems to work well for most.

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 08:49 PM

All good points and I thank you for you reply Murderous.

It's hard for me to tell how much of the SE traffic is going directly to my TGP...I'm guessing most of it is coming from my galleries that I'm posting from the same root domain. 'sex' is my biggest keyword, but I think people that are searching for 'sex' are hitting one of the TGP's that is listing my galleries.

I'm updating daily, but it doesn't seem to be affecting my SE traffic directly to my TGP or how often googlebot visits. I'll have to keep a tight eye on it over the next few weeks and see what it does and if I can get some PR going.

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linkster
Hi Murderous

In answer to your remark about your PR...if its for your site you have linked on your msg...it PR=1...
Althoughin my book Im seeing a whole lot less emphasis being placed on PR

The links you see in Google do change pretty frequently as you have seen and with that in mind you can see loads of different keyword searches over time...
The changing dynamic content has been handled by some by just running a program that can take that dynamic content and generate "archived" static content on a routine basis which adds that content Google loves as DDave mentioned above.
The same is done frequently on TGPs where you move the galleries to archive pages that are linked from the main page. And are normally targetted by niche which seems to work well for most.

I'm working on getting my script updated to create static pages, in the hopes that that would help the SE traffic more. I'm thinking that may be the way to go with my main page as well, having a cron to run a script once daily to create a static version of the main page and take care of the archive pages at the same time.

Maybe I'll do that with one of my TGP's and with the other TGP site I'll keep it 100% dynamic main/static pages and see how they differ over time...hmmmm.

DangerDave · 2003-04-02, 09:20 PM

Guys,

First off a word of warning... You will see lots of stuff said/posted about Google and what it does.. but unless you see it "supported" by evidence dont believe it!

Fuseblown,

Re- the site your PM'd me... (I will use http://www.fbsdomain.com/ in examples.)

#1 - Your site - http://www.fbsdomain.com/ - has no PR according to the google toolbar - A "greyed-out" bar indicates a page that Google doesn't know about , or possibly a banned page.

#2 - You can find the pages on your domain that Google knows about by using a search like - [ "fbsdomain.com" ] at Google, or a more accurate way is to use [ site:fbsdomain.com fbsdomain.com ]

If you do the first search Google returns only 2 pages and hides 9 others as not relevant. If you do the 2nd search Google will list all 13 pages. These are the pages that Google "knows about" on your domain. I could find no links back to the root on any of the pages listed.

#3 - If - http://www.fbsdomain.com/ - has no PR, then it most likely needs incoming - relevant - keyword - specific links from currently ranked/known pages... either owned by you or by others.

#4 - Using the search - [ "fbsdomain.com" ] - Google calls 9 of your pages "not relevant" - the most likely reason is - they all have the same keywords in the page title, and similar body text. This makes the pages look the same to Google and they are "downgraded" in value.

# 5 - The PR in the pages listed via - [ site:fbsdomain.com fbsdomain.com ] - comes from the pages that are linked to those galley pages.(usually via straight HTML links not cj out script links). You can find those links by using the Google toolbar to display the backward links to those pages. The only links that will appear in the "backward links" are pages that are PR 4 or greater. So you can have backward links that Google does not show you.. they will just be <PR4.

phew.... more coming.. I need lunch......

DD

Fuseblown · 2003-04-02, 09:40 PM

Woah, I'm getting totally schooled here, lol. Awesome stuff...like I said, I suck as far as SEO goes, so this is all good info. for me.

I appreciate everything DD!

Murderous · 2003-04-02, 09:41 PM

I'd like to start by saying Hi back to all, And nice to meet you.

Now with that out of the way...

Linkster, How did you find my PR? What keywords (if any) did that PR pertain to, and finally, which SE was it?

I never see PR on SE's, Everybody talks about it, but I look and don't see. Above it says google toolbar, I'm going to look now.

DangerDave · 2003-04-02, 10:14 PM

Murderous,

Please lose this script...

....top.window.moveTo(0,0);
if (document.all) {
top.window.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);.......

etc.. I really hate shit that resizes my browser!!!

Just MO.... anyway to bizness..

#1 - PR is visible via your browser if you have the Google Toolbar installed. - Go here - http://toolbar.google.com/ - and get it and use the Advanced options. It is an IE option.. and does not work in Netscape.

#2 - IMPORTANT - speak to your host... http://mentallyillthumbs.com/ works! but http://www.mentallyillthumbs.com/ does NOT

I get a hosting welcome page.

# 3 - As Linkster said - your Google PR via the toolbar is PR 1 - as I said before this is mostly dictacted by incoming - relevant - keyword - specific links You need more.. and link swaps are the way to get it.

# 4 - It is vitally important from a Google point of view to pick one form of your domain and STICK TO IT! eg;- Chose - http://mentallyillthumbs.com/ OR http://www.mentallyillthumbs.com/ (Once the host has fixed that page!.)

#5 - Then get others to link to you page with a nice text link like....

Code:

<A HREF="http://mentallyillthumbs.com/">Mentally Ill Thumbnail Galleries</A>

and also use that link yourself on sites you build.

#6 - You have multiple pages - 60 in total - that Google "knows about" - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search - Fix them! Some have broken images, no title tags etc.. and these things will count against you.

#7 - Before I answer the SE traffic question.. Which engines is the traffic coming from?!

........ now I need a smoke

DD

Linkster · 2003-04-02, 11:27 PM

Dave...think Ill join ya for that smoke

Murderous · 2003-04-02, 11:51 PM

I'd like to start by saying Hi back to all, And nice to meet you.

Now with that out of the way...

Linkster, How did you find my PR? What keywords (if any) did that PR pertain to, and finally, which SE was it?

I never see PR on SE's, Everybody talks about it, but I look and don't see. Above it says google toolbar, I'm going to look now.

Murderous · 2003-04-02, 11:56 PM

I don't Know how that post ended up on the page again, but oh well.

Anyways, Thanx alot, Dave, That's good valuable info, VERY useful. And I will take it all into account. I have worked hard optimizing my MAIN pages, but I can take some extra time to fix the remaining. I appreciate the WHOLE post.

Thanx.

2003-04-02, 12:09 PM	#11
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	Thanks DangerDave for the reply! I sent you a PM with the URL and I'll explain in a little more detail in here so that others know what I'm talking about. How recently has Google started doing this? I am mainly talking Google PR right now, as I haven't been watching what the other SE's have been doing in much detail. I'm not too familiar with SEO and that's definately something that I need to fix ASAP. I AM getting decent SE traffic, but I'm only getting SE traffic to my static sites it seems (my galleries, freesites, and any static warning pages, ad pages, etc. that I have). All static pages have some sort of Google PR...but as soon as I get to my dynamic pages, I either have no PR (the PageRank on the Google toolbar is greyed out--even after Googlebot has visited me for a couple of months, so it's not an update backlog as far as I know) or the PR is 0. All of my dynamic and static pages have the same trends going on. Again, it may be something that I'm not doing right as far as SEO in general goes, but it seems odd that my dynamic pages seem to be left out. __________________ Fuseblown

2003-04-02, 06:27 PM	#12
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Hi all....thought Id throw in a few cents here too DDave...its definitely nice seeing them go after the dynamic stuff....some of the limitations Ive seen so far are passing more than two variables after a cgi? statement and passing session unique parameters such as a session id...those seem to throw the Google spider a big roadblock...but since they are just getting into this end of spidering Im sure they'll get better. Got to agree with the freshness aspect too.....seems the fresher content you can get out there the more you get visited in my experiences. One othere thing that goes along with this is to make sure that cgi you dont want spidered gets protected in the robots.txt as Google loves to go after every link it finds __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-04-02, 08:45 PM	#16
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Hi Murderous In answer to your remark about your PR...if its for your site you have linked on your msg...it PR=1... Althoughin my book Im seeing a whole lot less emphasis being placed on PR The links you see in Google do change pretty frequently as you have seen and with that in mind you can see loads of different keyword searches over time... The changing dynamic content has been handled by some by just running a program that can take that dynamic content and generate "archived" static content on a routine basis which adds that content Google loves as DDave mentioned above. The same is done frequently on TGPs where you move the galleries to archive pages that are linked from the main page. And are normally targetted by niche which seems to work well for most. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-04-02, 08:49 PM	#17
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	All good points and I thank you for you reply Murderous. It's hard for me to tell how much of the SE traffic is going directly to my TGP...I'm guessing most of it is coming from my galleries that I'm posting from the same root domain. 'sex' is my biggest keyword, but I think people that are searching for 'sex' are hitting one of the TGP's that is listing my galleries. I'm updating daily, but it doesn't seem to be affecting my SE traffic directly to my TGP or how often googlebot visits. I'll have to keep a tight eye on it over the next few weeks and see what it does and if I can get some PR going. __________________ Fuseblown

2003-04-02, 09:20 PM	#19
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Guys, First off a word of warning... You will see lots of stuff said/posted about Google and what it does.. but unless you see it "supported" by evidence dont believe it! Fuseblown, Re- the site your PM'd me... (I will use http://www.fbsdomain.com/ in examples.) #1 - Your site - http://www.fbsdomain.com/ - has no PR according to the google toolbar - A "greyed-out" bar indicates a page that Google doesn't know about , or possibly a banned page. #2 - You can find the pages on your domain that Google knows about by using a search like - [ "fbsdomain.com" ] at Google, or a more accurate way is to use [ site:fbsdomain.com fbsdomain.com ] If you do the first search Google returns only 2 pages and hides 9 others as not relevant. If you do the 2nd search Google will list all 13 pages. These are the pages that Google "knows about" on your domain. I could find no links back to the root on any of the pages listed. #3 - If - http://www.fbsdomain.com/ - has no PR, then it most likely needs incoming - relevant - keyword - specific links from currently ranked/known pages... either owned by you or by others. #4 - Using the search - [ "fbsdomain.com" ] - Google calls 9 of your pages "not relevant" - the most likely reason is - they all have the same keywords in the page title, and similar body text. This makes the pages look the same to Google and they are "downgraded" in value. # 5 - The PR in the pages listed via - [ site:fbsdomain.com fbsdomain.com ] - comes from the pages that are linked to those galley pages.(usually via straight HTML links not cj out script links). You can find those links by using the Google toolbar to display the backward links to those pages. The only links that will appear in the "backward links" are pages that are PR 4 or greater. So you can have backward links that Google does not show you.. they will just be <PR4. phew.... more coming.. I need lunch...... DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-04-02, 10:13 AM	#1
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	Dynamic Content and SE's As far as Search Engines and dynamic content go... how is dynamic content spidered by SE's? I've noticed that my static pages are containing all of the PR for Google...everything that is dynamically created doesn't show any PR. I'm not very familiar with working SE's, my main background is in back-end development and a little bit of design. All of my sites are PHP/MySQL, except for galleries and such, which are all static HTML. Should I make some changes and have a system setup that creates static pages from my dynamic content, rather than using straight-up live, dynamic sites? Thanks! :cool: __________________ Fuseblown

2003-04-02, 10:19 AM	#2
Tart When life hands you lemons, squirt the juice in your enemy's eyes Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny South Posts: 423	I'd like to hear the answer to this as well.. been starting to learn more about php/MySQL but had the same wonderings about how it works with search engines. Easier to update vs. page ranking, alot of factors to weigh in...

2003-04-02, 10:23 AM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,788	I think that when they spider, they would look at whatever is on the page at them time, but I also have to assume that it depends alot on the file extension on the page (you don't see alot of cgi pages in the SE results) But of course I am just guessing Let me see if I can scare up a few people that know a little more about this than I do __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2003-04-02, 10:26 AM	#4
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	That's what I thought as well GreenGuy, but it doesn't seem to be that way on my sites for some reason. :banghead: My static pages are the only ones holding any kind of PR on Google, all of the dynamic pages are nil. /mad/ I could just be taking the wrong route when I'm coding these sites, would be nice to know how it works before I get further along and create more work for myself. :cool: Thanks! __________________ Fuseblown Last edited by Fuseblown; 2003-04-02 at 10:29 AM..

2003-04-02, 10:49 AM	#5
Tart When life hands you lemons, squirt the juice in your enemy's eyes Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny South Posts: 423	I agree completely with not wanting to go back and have to redo things... I'd much rather invest my time in researching ahead of time! Thanks for hunting up help GG!

2003-04-02, 10:53 AM	#6
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	Exactly Tart! ..and if you need help with PHP/MySQL sometime, hit me up. Contact info is in my profile. :cool: I've been using it for about 2 years now, still don't consider myself an expert at it, but I may be able to help out. __________________ Fuseblown

2003-04-02, 11:04 AM	#7
Tart When life hands you lemons, squirt the juice in your enemy's eyes Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny South Posts: 423	Thanks Fuseblown... I might just take you up on that! Right now I'm mainly reading up on what it can do, and how it works.. I'm self taught all the way and in the past have learned how to "make things work" without knowing why. Definately can create problems down the line :dazed:

2003-04-02, 12:07 PM	#10
Tart When life hands you lemons, squirt the juice in your enemy's eyes Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny South Posts: 423	That is great news Dave! I mainly want to use php to make it easier to update and change my linklist.. the static pages I have now seem to be doing okay in the SE's but are a regular pain to keep current.

2003-04-02, 06:45 PM	#13
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Google does still have some issues with longer URLs with alot of stuff after the ?... but I can tell you, dynamically generated pages are good food for google, but remember to keep the content on those pages unique - too much repetition will get you shut out just as fast as you are spidered. Alex

2003-04-02, 07:11 PM	#15
Murderous I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PennsWoods Posts: 85	I had to throw in a bit of two cents. I am still very much a newbie in most aspects of web design/building. However, here lately, I have been watching my SE traffic closely. I run a TGP, and I've been looking at the keyphrases used to locate my site. Now I have no idea what PR I am, but, 10% of my SE traffic is from keywords like teen galleries. But Alot of wierd keywords are coming in from listed galleries descriptions, even after the gallery has been out of rotation as much as a week plus days. Some of these phrases I didn't even know existed on my pages. But I get hit by google, like once every 3-4 days sometimes more frequently. And different keyword searches are coming in everyday. So I think GreenGuy has a good point, they will list that content that is on your page at the time of spidering your site, but as far as PR, I would say it changes. Maybe, Dynamic vs. Static content on that page can be taken into account. Whereas most of my page stays the same, while only gallery descriptios/URL's are changed upon update. I think the more that is changed the more that is gonna be effected on PR. And the more that is not changed, the PR can only be supported by the added integrity of new keyphrases from updates. I hope this is readable enough for you to understand my points. I'm typing as fast as I can think. And like I said I'm still very much a newbie.

2003-04-02, 09:40 PM	#20
Fuseblown If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: State College, PA Posts: 32	Woah, I'm getting totally schooled here, lol. Awesome stuff...like I said, I suck as far as SEO goes, so this is all good info. for me. I appreciate everything DD! __________________ Fuseblown

2003-04-02, 09:41 PM	#21
Murderous I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PennsWoods Posts: 85	I'd like to start by saying Hi back to all, And nice to meet you. Now with that out of the way... Linkster, How did you find my PR? What keywords (if any) did that PR pertain to, and finally, which SE was it? I never see PR on SE's, Everybody talks about it, but I look and don't see. Above it says google toolbar, I'm going to look now.

2003-04-02, 10:14 PM	#22
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Murderous, Please lose this script... ....top.window.moveTo(0,0); if (document.all) { top.window.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);....... etc.. I really hate shit that resizes my browser!!! Just MO.... anyway to bizness.. #1 - PR is visible via your browser if you have the Google Toolbar installed. - Go here - http://toolbar.google.com/ - and get it and use the Advanced options. It is an IE option.. and does not work in Netscape. #2 - IMPORTANT - speak to your host... http://mentallyillthumbs.com/ works! but http://www.mentallyillthumbs.com/ does NOT I get a hosting welcome page. # 3 - As Linkster said - your Google PR via the toolbar is PR 1 - as I said before this is mostly dictacted by incoming - relevant - keyword - specific links You need more.. and link swaps are the way to get it. # 4 - It is vitally important from a Google point of view to pick one form of your domain and STICK TO IT! eg;- Chose - http://mentallyillthumbs.com/ OR http://www.mentallyillthumbs.com/ (Once the host has fixed that page!.) #5 - Then get others to link to you page with a nice text link like.... Code: <A HREF="http://mentallyillthumbs.com/">Mentally Ill Thumbnail Galleries</A> and also use that link yourself on sites you build. #6 - You have multiple pages - 60 in total - that Google "knows about" - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search - Fix them! Some have broken images, no title tags etc.. and these things will count against you. #7 - Before I answer the SE traffic question.. Which engines is the traffic coming from?! ........ now I need a smoke DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-04-02, 11:27 PM	#23
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Dave...think Ill join ya for that smoke __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2003-04-02, 11:51 PM	#24
Murderous I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PennsWoods Posts: 85	I'd like to start by saying Hi back to all, And nice to meet you. Now with that out of the way... Linkster, How did you find my PR? What keywords (if any) did that PR pertain to, and finally, which SE was it? I never see PR on SE's, Everybody talks about it, but I look and don't see. Above it says google toolbar, I'm going to look now.

2003-04-02, 11:56 PM	#25
Murderous I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PennsWoods Posts: 85	I don't Know how that post ended up on the page again, but oh well. Anyways, Thanx alot, Dave, That's good valuable info, VERY useful. And I will take it all into account. I have worked hard optimizing my MAIN pages, but I can take some extra time to fix the remaining. I appreciate the WHOLE post. Thanx.