Kmanrox, Moses, and Rehab Dollars RIPPED US OFF FOR $2400.

[turboface]

Hey guys. Our house caught on fire a few days before Christmas (news article). We were living in a hotel for almost a week while we scrambled to find a new home. During that time we were in contact with Moses and Kmanrox from Rehab Dollars about a series of missing payments. After a couple days of them giving us the runaround they stopped replying to us altogether. We just heard back from them three days ago. They gave us a number of bullshit excuses as to why they could not release the payments to us. They was saying that all the signups that we have ever sent them were all with female names and similar logins. That is not even possible considering that we have different traffic coming from different sources at different times to a single landing page that has links to a bunch of celebrity sites from a number of celebrity sponsors, and they ALL pay - except for Rehab Dollars.

We're not talking about just a couple bucks here either. We have earned $2400 worth of signups over the last month and a half with them and we have not seen a single penny from them.

It's been a hard time for us lately, between our house burning down, having to live in a hotel, and having to deal with a shady sponsor that has just been stringing us along, milking us for signups, for a month and a half, with no intention of ever paying us - and all this going down over the holidays.

After getting vague promises about us getting a payout from them and them saying that they just needed to talk with someone before they issued payment and that everything was probably not going to be a problem, all communication ceased. Then all of our ICQs and emails went unanswered. Just last night we gave an ultimatum to Kmanrox on ICQ.

If we really were 'carding' wouldn't it make sense to use guys names and random logins? LOL This bullshit story of yours doesn't hold water, Kman. We would hope that KMan would be able to produce screenshots of his claims, but don't hold your breath. We're not going to see any screenshots, because he is full of shit. It's just a lame excuse to steal our money and you are not going to get away with it, we promise.

[Ramster]

Sorry about your house!

And sorry about them not paying you. I've had dealings with kman in the past long ago without issues. But I will not touch rehab dollars since you posted this. Thanks for the heads up!!!!

[bluebrit]

That sucks all around. First you lose your house and then you get shafted for a sizable sum of money.

Thanks for the heads up, they are now on my 'do not use' list and I hope you get the house sorted out soon.

[pc]

Sorry to hear that and thanks for heads up. I was just looking for rehab dollars before I start to promote them for any feedback. I hope your house situation gets resolved very soon.

[Toby]

There's more to this than is being told here. It seems that there's some question about whether those signups are legit.

I have no idea at this point what the truth really is, but don't be too quick to judge based on just one side of the story.

[Toni KatVixen]

Originally Posted by Toby

There's more to this than is being told here. It seems that there's some question about whether those signups are legit.

I have no idea at this point what the truth really is, but don't be too quick to judge based on just one side of the story.

Exactly.

You'd be surprised what things people will do to get referral money not legitimately earned.

Unless you can see the logins/ips/usernames/emails/patterns you don't know the other side of the story. And they are not going to reveal that. Makes it too easier for the next person to learn how to get around a system.

[bluebrit]

Good point Toby, Kat. I did back this guy but I would like to hear off the sponsor to have their side of this to know if what has been said is the truth.

[Torn Rose]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

I would like to hear off the sponsor to have their side of this to know if what has been said is the truth.

There is a 7+ page thread at the zoo...

[NY Jester]

Yes there is much more to it than a simple not paying on joins... also from what I saw a 30% CB rate which seems to be the major red flag and the one main hold point.

[bluebrit]

Originally Posted by Torn Rose

There is a 7+ page thread at the zoo...

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Torn.

I would like anyone reading this thread to ignore my first post.

I have also taken the sponsor in question off my 'do not use' list

[Ramster]

Hmmm, I've been to the zoo now so I'm not too sure what is going on. Looking at the stats screen grab above sales look pretty good but yes there are 2 sides to the story. The other side is claiming carding (fake signups) though I never did see them prove it.

[Toby]

Given past history of the players on both sides of this disagreement I doubt I'll be doing any biz with either.

[LeRoy]

A lot of questions need to be answered from both sides.

[Nickname]

almost 40% charge back's within 45 day's and a history of scamming is enough for me to not take anything that Turboface say seriously. The extreme spam fest involving their landing page domain is not helping either.....

[turboface]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

I would like to hear off the sponsor to have their side of this to know if what has been said is the truth.

KMan has publicly stated that he is not going to pay me anything, even though he showed a screenshot of some of my 'fraud' sales converting - LOL

He's catching hell over at the 'zoo'. He is unable to back up his accusations against me, that all the sales were with female names and similar logins. He will not be able to show any proof of that because it does not exist.

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

he obviously doesent have any proof or he would of posted it by now.

Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

Where is Kmans Proof? Are the CC's stolen??

Originally Posted by papill0n

you know the drill. proof.

Originally Posted by nekrom

Post a nats screen shot of the carded members user/password.

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

post proof or take a walk you %$#@%$%$#%ing #$@#$$$#ing $#$@%#

Originally Posted by Aka_Bluey

+1 for pic's... it is or is it, sacrilege to even consider the

possibility... carry on.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Pics or it didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

we need the paperwork, scan it and post it here. :321GFY

Originally Posted by SAC

lets see screenshots

Originally Posted by Hotrocket

I think you have made specific charges that should be proven by YOU,

not just referring to some old posts that have nothing to do with YOU or your biz.

Post proof..its that easy, otherwise its purely an accusation it appears you cannot back up.

You might want to do that before this turns into another Dirty D type thread...:2 cents:

Originally Posted by wdsguy

lets see some proof

Originally Posted by candyflip

Post the proof guys. You know how it works here. If you don't, this

thread will probably kick around for a while.

Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

where is the proooooooooof :upsidedow

Originally Posted by theking

He has posted his stats...the ball is in your court. The rule for the

board is...prove it or be banned.

Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood

has kman posted proof yet? you have one hour left kmartman

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Best post on this page
I agree, show some goddamn proof as program owner you got flipped instead of making bullshit

fights.

SHOW PROOF !!!!

Originally Posted by boneless

kman post screenshots of the female usernames, the ip adresses of those who signed up, and basicly all the proof they were carding you, Or dump the argument, pay them and move on to the next problem.

Basicly, turbo posted the proof they made the signups (stats screenshot), so it would be very very very easy for you to post your part of the proof that he was carding, and according to gfy rules you MUST proof this part or be banned.

as a disclaimer, im not taking sides here, i dont know either of you two, but i do know that if i see something posted like carding signups i defo want to see the proof of it all, so far Kman is at epic fail in proving the fraudulent signups.

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I would have loved to see some screen shots from the other side, so this thing can be dealt with on a more faster way.

Originally Posted by Gnus

I still haven't seen proof from rehab dollars that turboface was carding until then I'm putting rehab dollars on our black list. Any program can say hey that person is carding and not pay them without proof so until rehab shows proof they are on our black list.

Gary

Originally Posted by xxxdvdbuy

I would say his program is turning to shit now cause of the two threads. I wouldn't worry about getting him banned, if he gets banned he goes away and people forget. If he stays around and these threads stay around, he will have to change his domain name and company name. I know one thing he hasn't posted any proof what so ever of the affiliate scamming his program allegedly, so I would be talking to a lawyer or paying him a visit.

Before this thread goes into triple digits, for him to save his program, he better present some proof or pay the affiliate by Monday. That would be a wise decision.

It's none of my business, but I was scammed by a program at one time myself for sending legit joins and my ass got ripped. It was a NATS program so I voud to never promote another NATS or MP3A program ever again!.

Originally Posted by Gnus

I still haven't seen any proof of turboface carding.

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Still no Proof?

Fuck you all then, this is just a classic ghost hunt, and Kman is milking on his friends in this one. Cause if he had non, anyone would have asked him to show proof.

I would stay away from all programs a bitmouth like him runs.

He started to do the DirtyD on us already :
I have more affiliates now, a record month in sales.....

LOL, get a life with your ghost hunt and fuck off, dont come back when you bring some proof of your Scammer Statement!

Originally Posted by Gnus

The fact still remains that you haven't showed us any proof of him scamming RD. You keep saying the same thing over and over again with no proof.

Originally Posted by CamTraffic

i get it, so you re not paying him because his charge back rate is up the roof on that one, now how can you be sure it s fraud? i think a lot people asked you to post proof, the fact that they were female joins is THE reason?
REALLY?
How about sign up with the same name, CC, or ip...the gender is a bit weak...

you don't even BUY your content... marinate on that one

[kmanrox]

haha a forum that i didnt think to look for turboscammer to post on....

watch out for this guy.. he's carding and he'll be locked up soon.. submitting all known evidence to the authorities....

have a look on GFY and see how it all happened... he's gone from the industry even though he was 'gone' many times before for scamming.. do a GFY search to read all about his previous scams

RehabDollars will NOT PAY a single red cent to anyone who attempts to defraud us and our affiliates. this is how we manage to pay out so much like clockwork, every time. i can honestly say we havent caught 1 fraudster AFTER we paid them yet... although we catch and average of 1-2 new ones every single day. Back to the drawing board turboface. Come back with yet a new reincarnation of the 'ultimate scam' as you've done for many years..

[Useless]

Originally Posted by turboface

He's catching hell over at the 'zoo'.

I read a few pages of that huge thread at the zoo before I began slapping my testicles with a ping pong paddle out of sheer boredom. There, you repeatedly stated that Rehab was basically getting their asses handed to them within the thread, but that clearly wasn't the case. You are delusional. Neither party seems to have garnered much support, but a lot of posters we're nailing you as a fraud, a liar, and an all-around douche bag.

The house fire thing is what really stuck with me. You wanted to create a sympathetic mood so that your fellow posters would think of anyone not paying you as callous and heartless. As much as being forced out of one's home during the holiday season sucks, it wasn't your house. You were a tenant. And, according to your wife, you lost some dirty laundry - nothing else.

Don't get me wrong here -- I could not possibly care less. In fact, I'm thinking about picking up the ping pong paddle again. Kmanrox certainly isn't handling this situation professionally, but you, Turbo, are coming off as a complete fuckwad. I don't feel that Rehab has to prove fuck-all to the community. They should, though, restrain from attacking and insulting their accuser. That way, they maintain the high ground. The community will do all of the attacking and insulting for them.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I don't feel that Rehab has to prove fuck-all to the community.

Actually that is where I disagree. If they are claiming fraud and are refusing to pay because of it then I think they SHOULD have to prove why they feel this is fraud. They haven't shown anything other than a high chargeback rate. Where's the fraud?

[MeatPounder]

Agreed Ramster, if they had said simply turboface was a dickwad with too many chargebacks (which so far all the threads over there going back to 2004 verify), and they were closing his account fine

But to accuse of fraud is heavy stuff...where is the proof

What I've learned from looking at all the bullshit over there about this

1. turbo is a dikhead

2. kman is a dickhead

3. with 1 dollar free trials (with 2 other prechecked free trials) converting within 24 hours for the first and 48 hrs for the second two to full charged memberships for a total cost of significantly over 100 bucks on the "$1 trial" within the first 48 hrs (not sure how easy it is to opt out before the full charges bill), I definately would not want to promote kmans program for along with being a mostly fake celebrity site the chargebacks and refunds would be massive

4. remembering why I hate the drama queens at GFY and never go there

[Toni KatVixen]

Originally Posted by Ramster

Actually that is where I disagree. If they are claiming fraud and are refusing to pay because of it then I think they SHOULD have to prove why they feel this is fraud. They haven't shown anything other than a high chargeback rate. Where's the fraud?

In what I've seen in high chargebacks, that usually mean it is from stolen cards and fraudulent accounts. Anyone that has a high chargeback ratio is suspicious and gives off red flags.

What the programer needs to say is whether it is higher the norm for that program. If it is, along with the supposed usernames issue...

The way the programer is handling it, makes them not look good. But the programer may not want to reveal full what they have because it gives away their security and safe guards. You don't give that up.

[GonZo]

Both of these guys history speaks for itself.

[shunga]

The proof is there in the screenshot that was posted over at GFY. That is not a normal CB ratio at all. You can't survive with that. There are times when you'll spot a carder early, void the sale/s and ban the affiliate. And then there are times you'll pick it up later and some of those sales will turn into refunds as the void period expires. There are always things you'll pick up on, either right at the start, or later with more evidence.

Aside from all the board drama no program would allow that to continue. As I understand it RD wanted to hold onto payment until all sales went through a period to check for CB's. The affiliate didn't want to wait, hence the board drama.

[X-Man]

anyone with 2 cents worth of brain can put 2+2 together and figure out whats what and whos who...2009 hasn't been the hige rise of honesty in the adult industry