Fairly big porn arrests in fla - interesting...

[Greenguy]

I think I remember what I heard about the California thing (and this is probably incorrect, so pay no attention to me)

California is the only place in the US that you can make porn movies & videos that involve real sex acts. I think that every other place in the US has to have "simulated sex acts" in the wording for the release.

[karomesis]

Is that some sort of bizzaro world where the 1st Amendment doesn't exist?

of course, it's called the bush presidency.

since politicains are so fucking good at making useless laws to protect ignorant people, I think they should at least have the decency to sign a bill that would require the president to be able to communicate better than rain man. And have the decency to install a police state dictatorship in his first term in office so we can settle in and get used to having no freedoms.

This shit has GOT TO STOP . The FSC is a good tool, but I fear it is in need of a more amophorous position on certain issues, they can't attack what isn't there. Instead of using disinformation like the politicians are fond of doing, I think a novel and revolutionary idea is needed, it's called..........the truth.|shocking| We need to change public opinion, that is where the battle must be fought, for the hearts and minds of the citizenry.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by tickler

Well here's some more details, with a comparison to an older California case. and a comment by Larry Walters.

It's People Vs. Freeman, Florida Style
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=270764

I guess I'd simply observe that this is a good reason why most porn videos are shot in California and not Florida. Individual states are gonna take very different views of what constitutes prostitution, and it's very nice that Cali has the Freeman precedent. But a decision of a California court is obviously not binding on any other state. And hasn't anyone noticed that Florida's government is one of the most reactionary bunch of corrupt nutballs anywhere? (And I'm speaking as a Texan when I say that )

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by lassiter

I guess I'd simply observe that this is a good reason why most porn videos are shot in California and not Florida. Individual states are gonna take very different views of what constitutes prostitution, and it's very nice that Cali has the Freeman precedent. But a decision of a California court is obviously not binding on any other state. And hasn't anyone noticed that Florida's government is one of the most reactionary bunch of corrupt nutballs anywhere? (And I'm speaking as a Texan when I say that )

I've always been shocked by people shooting Florida. I just figured that they were paying the younger Bush to do it. How can that Bush can't run for office if people are shooting porn in his state. I don't think any smart person wants to be President after Dubya because there is no good way to clean up his mess but come 1012 or 2016 younger Bush is going to be the candidate and Florida will already be Theocracy and the model of the campaign.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I've always been shocked by people shooting Florida. I just figured that they were paying the younger Bush to do it. How can that Bush can't run for office if people are shooting porn in his state. I don't think any smart person wants to be President after Dubya because there is no good way to clean up his mess but come 1012 or 2016 younger Bush is going to be the candidate and Florida will already be Theocracy and the model of the campaign.

Spell check lol J/K I am Worse!

[swedguy]

They seem to be up and running again...

"Subject: [nats] SIGNUP via EPOCH"



http://www.cumonherface.com/
http://www.cashtitans.com/

[Ramster]

The good news is I didn't lose that long time member who joined using ccbill:
$12.47 (join date) 24 Nov 2001 (first rebill) 25 Dec 2001

[Greenguy]

Have they posted/released anything official? Along the lines of "All is well, sites are working, you'll get paid, etc"?

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Ramster

The good news is I didn't lose that long time member who joined using ccbill:
$12.47 (join date) 24 Nov 2001 (first rebill) 25 Dec 2001

Is he into facials or did he just forget how to cancel?

[jimatcohf]

If you have anything to do whatsoever with the adult industry, you will want to read this entire post. I am making this post to offer my view and to update our industry on the latest news of the arrest of Ray Guhn and several members of the www.cumonherface.com and www.cashtitans.com team and how it can affect you. For those that are not aware of the arrests, here are the links to those articles http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...ing=ray%20guhn and http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...ing=ray%20guhn

Most of you know me as Jim Manley or Big Jim. For those of you trying to picture who I am here is the most memorable pic of me brought to you by JFK http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...pbp/z02847.htm now that was a great night and memory that I will cherish forever.

Ok, first, I am not really able to comment on the facts of the case only to say that Ray Guhn’s legal team will be fighting these charges aggressively as long as the money holds out. Ray has retained the legal team of Weston, Garrou, DeWitt & Walters. The well known and respected Larry Walters plans to spearhead a vigorous 1st amendment defense as you can imagine. Now please carefully read this next part. The predicate on which Ray Guhn and associates are charged can seriously impact how YOU as webmasters, producers, hosting companies, affiliates, and pay site owners will be permitted, or not permitted, to conduct your business in the future. The cops are claiming that paying people to perform sexually on camera is prostitution and therefore illegal. If the prosecution wins the Ray Guhn case in Florida it will have the chilling effect of setting precedent of illegalizing porn production throughout Florida which in turn will eagerly be used by other states anxious to squelch free expression to justify filing suits or applying pressure against webmasters, producers, hosters, affiliates and site owners who engage in showing ‘paid performers engaging in sex while being photographed or videotaped or on webcam’.

1) Why the charge of Racketeering? As mentioned, the cops assert that compensating people who perform in, or produce, adult sexual content is prostitution and that any parties earning an income derived from activity based on prostitution is Racketeering (which carries up to 30 years in jail). The 2nd predicate they are using is an Obscenity charge, ie: that COHF content is stronger content than Pensacola community standards allow, even though you can walk into dozens of stores in Pensacola and purchase many different porn mags showing detailed glossy images of group sex, anal sex, triple penetration, bondage sex, dildo sex, lesbian strap on sex, oral sex, cum swapping and oral/facial cumshots. But we all know how vague the obscenity law is, depending on your locale a girl posing nude could be considered obscene by a conservative jury.
2) Don’t believe everything you read in the papers, the guns they seized at Ray’s home were all legally owned along with a weapons permit and the “drugs” were only one medication type legally prescribed by licensed physicians. But it made for a sensational byline in the article.
3) It’s Election year here. So the stronger the headlines, the better, as far as the guys running for reelection are concerned.

I really can’t comment more on the case but after reading some of the posts when this story broke on GFY and other boards I wanted to clear up a few confused posters who poked fun at this situation without understanding how THIS CASE is the landmark case that many in the adult industry have been fearing for years. Grave consequences will occur first in Florida and next industry wide if the prosecution prevails in reclassifying porn performers and actors… as prostitutes. If performers are reclassified as prostitutes, smart money says the law will next move to classify people like YOU who webmaster, produce, host, manage, or resell that ‘illegal’ content as criminals and racketeers. (remember, racketeering carries up to 30 years in jail!).

Attorney Larry Walters has set up a legal defense fund for this fight. I am asking everyone to donate to this fund, not just to help defend Ray and myself, but also to preserve our adult internet industry as we currently know it. This case is already creating expenditures in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and honestly guys we need industry financial help from our friends, associates, fellow businessmen and industry moguls to win this battle... for all of us. Please donate directly to Larry Walter’s firm at: www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com NONE of the donations go to Ray, myself or COHF.
I can only hope that the generosity (and sense of self preservation) of our industry will shine in this moment of darkness and contributions will flow in to assist defending against these charges. Please read this article concerning this case as it was posted on AVN http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=270764 I hope that after reading this you will understand that this is much more than just another case against a few guys in Florida, but rather it is a veiled legal attempt to begin the process of outlawing all porn production not only in Florida, but eventually reaching across the country.

www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com

On a personal note I wish to thank the industry for their support and emails and phone calls and im’s about this situation. I am truly grateful of everyone’s concern. I now understand what it means to be at the bottom of the barrel as I have lost everything, my job, my income and for the few that knew I had a daughter as of now the state has ended my rights to see her, so again if you don’t think this case is important for those of you who have children, please imagine not being able to see them again simply because you operated or worked for an adult business. If you think for one second it can’t happen to you as I did, WELL IT CAN! I am not sure if I will stay in the adult industry after all this is over. I have to consider the options and what I might have to do to regain custody of my daughter. I would like to talk to anyone that might need a general manager type, employee or sales rep to weigh my options. I will consider all offers as I have stated before I have no income and my savings is almost gone.

I will respond as I can to the replies of this thread I ask that it be bumped quite regularly if possible to keep this subject fresh in the minds of all webmasters.

Thank you in advance for your donations (www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com) and emotional support and let’s ALL hope that when the sun sets Ray Guhn and his legal team’s fight to preserve our 1st Amendment freedoms for the adult industry are successful. Truth and the 1st amendment are on our side. The best 1st amendment team in the country is on the case, but the effort needs donations now to the legal fund to avoid being railroaded into a defeat that will shake the foundation of the adult industry.

Andy Craft aka Jim Manley
My old email is now gone so if you have it please delete and use iluvlivebabes@hotmail.com that is also my msn name and my ICQ # is 318490299

[Bill]

We're all aware of the case and very interested in getting more news about it.

I couldn't tell from reading your post what your role in the case is - could you restate that please?

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. It makes me glad my daughter is grown and can't be used against me like that anymore.

[emmanuelle]

I was dismayed at how few people understood the consequences of this case when it broke. The only thing they didnt hit you with was the Patriot Act and IRS (yet).
Whether it be the FSC, the Rob Black case, or any of the others that have asked for support; none are as crucial to our industry as this one IMO; regardless of geographic location.

[terry]

Good Luck Jim, Ray, Shane and to the industry. Im with you guys and will help any way I can.

[Ramster]

I hope all goes well. Busty Amateurs and you guys were the very first programs I ever signed up for online. As I stated earlier I still have a rebilling member from 2001.

[terry]

Originally Posted by Ramster

I hope all goes well. Busty Amateurs and you guys were the very first programs I ever signed up for online. As I stated earlier I still have a rebilling member from 2001.

I still have some orginal ccbill rebills too which is awesome, but I have lost hundreds of rebills using nats since they went down. I dont care too much about the money I am losing. Those guys were my friends and I would hate to see anything happen to them. Again, good luck to everyone!

[Tommy]

you guys should really think about helping them out with a little premotion, a few links here and there maybe a banner or a few gallerys

next time you wanna premote a new sponsor try and give them a chance

years ago when that acacia bull shit starting happening
Light Speed was one of the companys fighting them

So I thought one way to fight back Acacia was to help companys that were taking a stand
I signed up with Lightspeedcash, they were then a small sponsor.
the only reason I started premoting them is because they took a stand

its been a few years and they turned out to be a very good sponsor for me


in fact I hope all of you pull out your check book and give a little something to the defence fund

last year when that other guy got arrested i was googling it to try and find some more info and found some site asking for donations
the site said they had only collected 30 dollars in a week

when iI seen that as a adult webmaster i really felt like shit and lost a lot of respect for my fellow webmasters that day

we need to stick together
I am not saying blow your savings on their defence fund but I am 100% sure everyone here could come up with a hundred dollars

or at the very least put up a few links

I want all of you to know I would do it for everyone of you
I hope the rest of you feel the same

[Kinky]

well said Tommy I sent a couple hundred out to them, good luck guys

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by Jim

That is interesting and disturbing at the same time. I think more information is needed before making a judgment. Like, what are the authorities calling prostitution? Was it real prostitution or was it paying models for being on film? One is protected, one is not.

Like I said, more information needed.

I never understood that part. How do they seperate the 2? I mean, a pornstar is paid to have sex, so is a prostitute. Do they have a special pornstar license or something? Why cant you hire a prostitute to have sex in a porn movie? Very wierd... I no comprehendo legalsmutimo.

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think I remember what I heard about the California thing (and this is probably incorrect, so pay no attention to me)

California is the only place in the US that you can make porn movies & videos that involve real sex acts. I think that every other place in the US has to have "simulated sex acts" in the wording for the release.

OIC

[Kinky]

here is an article from 2005 that kinda explains it a bit WarBot

http://www.sexwork.com/legal/pornorprostitution.html

I thought it was an intersting read

[WarBot]

Thanks for that. I get it now. I will never understand how its anyones business if I pay some chick to have sex with me or if I pay 2 people to have sex. You want to talk about religeon effecting law in the united states, theres a perfect example. Who does it hurt? Why do they care?

[Kinky]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Thanks for that. I get it now. I will never understand how its anyones business if I pay some chick to have sex with me or if I pay 2 people to have sex. You want to talk about religeon effecting law in the united states, theres a perfect example. Who does it hurt? Why do they care?

for some reason it hurts the children

and they care because really religious people with money are sorta nuts

[Tommy]

I always wondered about the right wing and why they are so hung up about sex

most people I can figure out why and what motivates them
but with this I am at a total loss

its easy to just cast them all aside by saying they all must have little dicks or something but it cant be true

these people act like they have never been laid
they never had sex in the back of a car
never went to a party in college
never look at porn....cmon

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Tommy

these people act like they have never been laid
they never had sex in the back of a car
never went to a party in college
never look at porn....cmon

And they don't recognize each other when they meet in a liquor store

[Halfdeck]

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