What type of content do you use, purchased, sponsor, exclusive or combination?

[graphicsbytia]

Enquiring minds want to know

How do you obtain your content? I've set up this poll as private, so no names will be shown. I've been thinking about something for a while now and would like some input from you guys.

[KG Gary]

100% bought content for me at the moment.
I've only used three companies to purchase from so far and they're all pretty good. I would like to find more though, and I don't mind paying a little above the usual for a good set of photos.

[terry]

Varies for me. If I am promoting another sponsor I will use their content but if I am promoting my sites then I'll use my content. However, my content could be shot in house or purchased.

Nice site you got there Tia. I have bookmarked it!

[emmanuelle]

We shoot 95% in house, and purchase about 5%

[GenXer]

I use a combination of sponsor and purchased

[RawAlex]

If I am promoting a sponsor, I think there is nothing better in the world than to use their content to promote their product. I know the surfers will be better clients if they are getting what I offered.

Alex

[graphicsbytia]

great reponses guys, keep 'em coming! I have this poll on two other boards, and will post the results on all three here after a few days

[graphicsbytia]

interesting results so far

[pvtspanky]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If I am promoting a sponsor, I think there is nothing better in the world than to use their content to promote their product. I know the surfers will be better clients if they are getting what I offered.

Alex

I agree 100% with you on this. And god damnit, I preach this all the time, and there seems to be so many people who dont seem to give a shit about my point. The few who do, are some of my biggest inspirations though...

I am just a submitter. I don't own any members area. Hell, I don't even run a TGP/MGP, or linklist. But, I am a firm believer that the content you use should reflect what's inside the members area. Not just by niche, but by models too.

Years ago I messed around in this biz for a while. I joined a site I was promoting just to see what was in the members area. I was so pissed that the site I joined from had nothing to do with what was going on in the members area. The models were not inside, not only that, half the shit didn't work, and this was for a major sponsor that is still around today. I'm not mentioning any names. But I was so mad, that I got out of the industry for a while. Not only did misleading the surfer piss off the surfer, but it also pissed of the webmaster trying to promote them. That's fucked up.

I'm happy with what I'm doing now, and the people I choose to promote. I am a lot more careful of who I choose to promote now.

I even bought content that no one has seen before, that I don't use because I know it's not in the members area. I might aswell make a coaster for my coffee table out of it.

I understand the reviewers pain when seeing so much of the same content over and over again. But misleading the surfer with content is as bad as misleading them with a blind link or "Enter" on a banner of a freesite index page.

I could go on... I'm going to bite my tongue for now...

[spookyx]

Since most of my sites are for named JAV models I have to use sponsor content. I contact the sponsor and get access to the paysite for content. If they don't give it. I move on. Japanese Girl content is so hard to buy from american content producers. most think generic "asian" will work. they are so wrong


Tia

Buzzard is a whore
Rock on WillyB

Interesting post pvtspanky.

I've been looking around at a few sites for the review site we will soon open and I'm a bit aghast at the interior of some sites, the promises made and the actual product delivered. Very often it's a case of if they used the interior of the site to promote the site they would struggle to get sign ups.

However on this subject of using sponsor or your own. Very few people buy in content to promote and that's why the few who do buy, carry on buying.

However matching the content on a freesite to the content inside the sponsors site is an art. But even when you can buy the content inside a site to promote it how many do?

Lightspeed is now building solo girl sites with girls we shot and we sold him the content. Content he's not allowed to give to affiliates because of the license. So how many people buy those sets to promote the sites? Two.

For those who think a sponsor buying a set for $35 gives a sponsor the right to give it to who ever he likes.

I'm in business to make money and if we sold a set to 10 sponsors at $35 to give to 10,000 affiliates our business would collapse.

[KG Gary]

I'd love to be able to use actual content from the site I'm promoting in my freesites, but the fear of the "overused sponsor content" rejection stops me.
Should I just use some and see what happens?
Or make sure I watch the sponsors closely and jump on the newest content available?


I've thought about asking sponsors for a set of exclusive photos to promote, but I'm not really established enough yet for that.

"See more of girlsname at blahdotcom" must be a pretty good piece of sales text.

[KG Gary]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

However matching the content on a freesite to the content inside the sponsors site is an art. But even when you can buy the content inside a site to promote it how many do?

Lightspeed is now building solo girl sites with girls we shot and we sold him the content. Content he's not allowed to give to affiliates because of the license. So how many people buy those sets to promote the sites? Two.

I had no idea that this was possible! I assumed that almost all paysites shot their own stuff. Very interesting.

Originally Posted by KG Gary

I had no idea that this was possible! I assumed that almost all paysites shot their own stuff. Very interesting.

No way. A lot do but not all. Otherwise we would all be shooting exclusive.

Non Exclusive for us and a lot of paysites is a profitable business, but you have to get it right. New stuff all the time and good stuff as well, because the business model is built on getting lots of regular clients buying to give to members at a rate exclusive cannot match.

1 exclusive solo girl set/video = $400
1 non 1 exclusive solo girl set/video = $50

In fact if you buy regular it could get a bit cheaper. But not too much or it defeats the object.

So the non exclusive can be delivered up at a rate of 8 times for the same money. Assuming it fits the niche do you think a member is going to give a shit if it's exclusive or not? For our paysite we buy in from 2-3 suppliers brand new content, the surfer does not know the difference.

The cry that non exclusive is saturated is one of the biggest myths on the Adult Net. Do you think Exclusive could be bought for the price of 8 sales if it was saturated, it has to sell to get saturated.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally Posted by spookyx

Since most of my sites are for named JAV models I have to use sponsor content. I contact the sponsor and get access to the paysite for content. If they don't give it. I move on. Japanese Girl content is so hard to buy from american content producers. most think generic "asian" will work. they are so wrong


Tia

Buzzard is a whore
Rock on WillyB

You've told me that before about asian content spookyx, and I always remembered what you said. I have to admit, I have a hard time telling the difference between some of the different asian cultures. I do know it makes a huge difference though.

I was just thinking about Buzzard when I read your post.. I like to think that he, WillyB and your sweetheart are up there listening to music together

[graphicsbytia]

Originally Posted by pvtspanky

I agree 100% with you on this. And god damnit, I preach this all the time, and there seems to be so many people who dont seem to give a shit about my point. The few who do, are some of my biggest inspirations though...

I am just a submitter. I don't own any members area. Hell, I don't even run a TGP/MGP, or linklist. But, I am a firm believer that the content you use should reflect what's inside the members area. Not just by niche, but by models too.

Years ago I messed around in this biz for a while. I joined a site I was promoting just to see what was in the members area. I was so pissed that the site I joined from had nothing to do with what was going on in the members area. The models were not inside, not only that, half the shit didn't work, and this was for a major sponsor that is still around today. I'm not mentioning any names. But I was so mad, that I got out of the industry for a while. Not only did misleading the surfer piss off the surfer, but it also pissed of the webmaster trying to promote them. That's fucked up.

I'm happy with what I'm doing now, and the people I choose to promote. I am a lot more careful of who I choose to promote now.

I even bought content that no one has seen before, that I don't use because I know it's not in the members area. I might aswell make a coaster for my coffee table out of it.

I understand the reviewers pain when seeing so much of the same content over and over again. But misleading the surfer with content is as bad as misleading them with a blind link or "Enter" on a banner of a freesite index page.

I could go on... I'm going to bite my tongue for now...

excellent post pvtspanky.. and do say more!

[emmanuelle]

I get annoyed when people use purchased content to promote us. I think that we offer a good selection to affiliates, and make it well known that we're even willing to shoot something specific that an affiliate needs. I would much prefer to do that, than risk misleading potential members. Finally, most of the purchased material in our niches isn't quite on target, thus hurting affiliate's sales.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

The cry that non exclusive is saturated is one of the biggest myths on the Adult Net.

That's one thing many webmasters seem to get confused. Since we sit here viewing porn all day, we somehow think that the surfers do too. There's this mindset that if we have seen the set of content already, so has the surfer. Absolute rubbish. Sure, exclusive content is ideal, but it isn't practical or realistic for most business plans.

Not all paysites are meant to be the holy grail of pornography anyway. Some are built for the exclusive purpose of pushing the consumer towards the upsell of another, better paysite. If they don't buy the upsell, well fuck 'em, you got their $30 sign-up. If they do, you pulled in $30 (which is most probably getting split with an affiliate), plus you pulled down a nice $35 PPS for yourself.

Any content can be king if you know how to employ it properly.

[Ramster]

Paul makes some real good points. It is the rare paysite that uses exclusive content all the time unless you shoot it yourself. I'm sure there are many that do but not all.

As Paul said exclusive is not cheap. I use both exclusive and bought content for my paysites. A good mix and reasonable pricing in the long run.

When promoting sponsors I use their content mostly but will on occassion use content I have bought.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That's one thing many webmasters seem to get confused. Since we sit here viewing porn all day, we somehow think that the surfers do too. There's this mindset that if we have seen the set of content already, so has the surfer. Absolute rubbish. Sure, exclusive content is ideal, but it isn't practical or realistic for most business plans.

Not all paysites are meant to be the holy grail of pornography anyway. Some are built for the exclusive purpose of pushing the consumer towards the upsell of another, better paysite. If they don't buy the upsell, well fuck 'em, you got their $30 sign-up. If they do, you pulled in $30 (which is most probably getting split with an affiliate), plus you pulled down a nice $35 PPS for yourself.

Any content can be king if you know how to employ it properly.

What amazes me is the differing arguments you get about content and sign ups. Firstly that a sale is an impulse buy, if it was an impulse how in hells name does content get saturated. Unless the guy has the same impulse every day.

Then there's the site were they think the fact that it's the only scene of this girl on that sofa in that underwear makes it exclusive. There are some very good shooters here in Czech earning a good living shooting "Exclusive". We've shot the girls before them and the locations. The poses are the same, so where is it exclusive?

For me exclusive is when the content has a twist to it that others sites do not always have, like Bang Bus. but in the mail porn is porn.

As for the rest of the post, you can always "Over Persuade" someone. But what good does that do us as an industry? If I sold you a set for $30 which was not what you wanted, would you be happy to spend another $30?

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

I get annoyed when people use purchased content to promote us. I think that we offer a good selection to affiliates, and make it well known that we're even willing to shoot something specific that an affiliate needs. I would much prefer to do that, than risk misleading potential members. Finally, most of the purchased material in our niches isn't quite on target, thus hurting affiliate's sales.

The sad thing Em, is many link lists will not list a site with your watermarked content, not from us submitters that is for most either make there own freesites with tht content, use FHS with that content, or even a combo of both.
Other link lists MAY list sites using your free content, but not if they have seen that set(girl, guy, setting) recently.

With a single girl/guy site it is almost an absolute to use their content...as with many of the Theme sites such as Captain Stabbin.

At least with some of the specialty niche sites you can find purchased content that goes with the theme of the niche site, and thus stand a hugely greater chance of getting listed.

And as far as getting special content from the site owner that is not usually available to affiliates, that elps...but the major players in the link list business usually have access to that same content and so the above still affects using that content.

The last year of more and more sponsor FHS has really increased the difficulty of an average free site builder getting a site listed with any sponsor content. Now with Chop and Greenguys new project it even makes it worse.

[emmanuelle]

Meatpounder please look for my icq

[frankthetank]

I´m using sponsor content for niches and special theme sites. On general galleries I´m using own content. For special events - I´m promoting many Czech girls - I use content which a photographer produces for me with that special girl.

Free sponsor content available for everybody sometimes is a problem. Galleries may get rejected because of "overused" content. So generally speaking it´s necessary to get members area access to promote a sponsor successfully.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

The sad thing Em, is many link lists will not list a site with your watermarked content, not from us submitters that is for most either make there own freesites with tht content, use FHS with that content, or even a combo of both.
Other link lists MAY list sites using your free content, but not if they have seen that set(girl, guy, setting) recently.

With a single girl/guy site it is almost an absolute to use their content...as with many of the Theme sites such as Captain Stabbin.

At least with some of the specialty niche sites you can find purchased content that goes with the theme of the niche site, and thus stand a hugely greater chance of getting listed.

And as far as getting special content from the site owner that is not usually available to affiliates, that elps...but the major players in the link list business usually have access to that same content and so the above still affects using that content.

The last year of more and more sponsor FHS has really increased the difficulty of an average free site builder getting a site listed with any sponsor content. Now with Chop and Greenguys new project it even makes it worse.

This is just the kind of good information a thread like this can bring out. Who's going to take the time to tell a sponsor what they don't like about the free content they offer? It's like anything else, a restaurant for example, you'd be surprised at how few people complain about the food when they find something they don't like, they just stop going to the restaurant.

Feedback like this is worth a lot in my opinion

[Useless]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

The sad thing Em, is many link lists will not list a site with your watermarked content, not from us submitters that is for most either make there own freesites with tht content, use FHS with that content, or even a combo of both.

Very, very few link lists completely disallow sponsor content. Maybe the content isn't the reason your sites aren't getting accepted.

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

The last year of more and more sponsor FHS has really increased the difficulty of an average free site builder getting a site listed with any sponsor content. Now with Chop and Greenguys new project it even makes it worse.

Hosted galleries have been around for ages, yet gallery submitters using sponsor content don't seem to be fading away. Sure, hosted sites do make it unnecessary for list owners to list every shit free site submitted to them, but they certainly won't dampen the need for quality submissions from trusted submitters. Good free site submitters who continue to construct good sites have nothing to worry about.