How many link lists do you submit to?

[Shade]

I've been wondering how many link lists everyone submits to. I've tried to submit to as many as i can to fill the 1 day limit that most give. I'm very curious to what everyone aims for.

[Preacher]

There's some good answers to that question here: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=23901

[DangerDave]

Shade,

Do not fall for the big numbers posted by many people. I have yet to see ANY SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that supports the fact that submitting to more LinkLists bring your more success, money, or happiness.

Even when we submitted regularly, we NEVER submitted to more than about 16 LLs. Right now if I was submitting I would submit to about 12.

DD

[HarryM]

I definately agree with DD on that, I submit to just 9-16 sites using one entrance page, some sites always and some I swap in and out depending on niche etc.

A while ago I made some sites with mirrors to test it out and submitted them to over 60 link lists, these sites have made less than my normal ones with 1 entrance do and took way longer to make.

[Surfn]

I normally submit to 6-8 depending on the niche.

[Xeno]

When I was doing sites in the past and submitting them to LLs, I started to do as many as I could find, but later realized just as DD mentioned...I selected only a few.

[ladydesigner]

When I make a free site, I make two entrances with 12 recips on each one. That's about it. It seems to work fine that way for me. I also once tried submitting to as many ll as I could find but like others have said, it just doesn't pay off.

[Waka-Jawaka]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Shade,


Even when we submitted regularly, we NEVER submitted to more than about 16 LLs. Right now if I was submitting I would submit to about 12.

DD

seems LL niche is going to its end

[SI]

20 custom text recips perfectly fits into my recip tables, so i submit to 20.

"seems LL niche is going to its end"

seems small LLs going to their end

[Mr Exotic]

Well I havent been at it too long, just started my free site network about 2-3 weeks ago but I have progressed faster than I expected and am happy with the results so far. I have 2 recip tables I use with 12 recips on each of them. But I dont make mirrors, I just make 2 different sites a day, figure that gives me twice the keywords to target and keeps me out of trouble in the se's with duplication penalties.

[Shade]

I've noticed that i get great traffic from about 7 or 8, and then there is a drop off that goes down to 4-5 uniques a day down to some that are just 1 unqiue a day. Im just wondering if there is some kind of hidden effect that might help out, like increasing SEO, pagerank, or whatnot.

[Pendo]

I submit to 84, takes me about 40 mins to submit to all of them, not so hard to do...

[massive-x]

I submit to 132 L'sL, cose I'm still in a resarch fase!
I submit on every LL that I can find to support femdom niche! Some day I hope realy soon, I will re-bulid my submit list and keep only LL's witch send me the biggest traffic!Would it be only 15-16 or 50 LL's I dont know yet!

[jerkit]

Totally agree with you guys. I only submit to 8-16 depending on niche. Course I'm still trying to get listed at a few and GG hasn't liked mine lately... So it's not been too productive.

I focus on my LL now and building more content to increase traffic there and only fire out a handful of freesites/month now. Also one good idea is to pay for listings at some good LLs and TGPs. The traffic, lack of delay in getting listed, etc can really be worth it.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by SI

"seems LL niche is going to its end"

seems small LLs going to their end

Then who will be listing the sponsor content the big guys reject?

More fear mongering.

[sue-fl]

Wow very interesting! If most people only submit to 12-16 LL's then trying to get a link list going seems like a lot of work for nothing. Getting off the subject a bit. Thanks to a few good people from this board I get some great sites submitted but get a lot of crap also. It takes a lot of time keeping it up. So is it really worth the time and effort nowadays to do it? My hub gets a lot of traffic I'm really thinking maybe just doing hubs and linking to them from my free sites. My LL's has only been up for a year so I know it's to soon to expect to make money from it. But I make a lot of sales of my hub site already. Sure would like to hear some opinions or ideas. Thanks

[ponygirl]

I recently cut my submit list down quite a bit - I'm able to get more output & I'm definitely making more $$ so that's ok. I currently still submit to about 50-60 LLs, but some are out of support & loyalty more than traffic. I only do 4 tables & it only takes me about 20-30 min to submit by hand. I think if you have lots of other things on the go then 1 table does the trick, but if your main thing is freesites then more may work better for you. It's just something that you have to experiment with.

Sue - yes, the LL is a PITA lol, and a lot of work. I'm going to keep mine up tho, just because I've put so much work into it, it's my baby Hubs are great too. My plan this year is to put up niche hubs all over the place & just keep running the one LL. It slows down the freesite subbing a bit but along with some other projects, I think it's going to be more profitable in the long run that way.

Ponygirl

[ponygirl]

oh, and I don't think that the small LL is dead, not by a long shot

Ponygirl

[ladydesigner]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

oh, and I don't think that the small LL is dead, not by a long shot

Ponygirl

Lord, I hope not!

[jerkit]

Ponygirl,

You were talking about hubs.. I've seen other people mention it, but I have to admit I still don't quite get the concept. I started out with just my LL (last may-june) and then building a few free sites and galleries along the way, but if someone could help me understand hubs a bit better it would be helpful.

From what I've read, they're basically a site which hosts all your freesites and sponsor content? How does one get traffic to this? Hardlink trades?

Any help for a still relative newbie would be great.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by jerkit

Ponygirl,

You were talking about hubs.. I've seen other people mention it, but I have to admit I still don't quite get the concept. I started out with just my LL (last may-june) and then building a few free sites and galleries along the way, but if someone could help me understand hubs a bit better it would be helpful.

From what I've read, they're basically a site which hosts all your freesites and sponsor content? How does one get traffic to this? Hardlink trades?

Any help for a still relative newbie would be great.

well, I don't know how anyone else does it, but I've been buying niche related domain names, then throwing up a page or 2 for it. I'll list all my sponsor hosted galleries, freesites, whatever they have, plus any of my freesites in that niche. To get traffic to it, do freesites off that domain & submit them, put links to them on other freesites (that will count as one of your links out, tho). One I have is getting pretty decent msn traffic too, so build for the SEs as much as you can - I'm still learning that

traffic takes a bit to build up, but hubs (I call mine 'one page wonders' ) are easy to build & can be quite addictive

hope that helps! you can have a look at a couple of mine here

Ponygirl

[sue-fl]

Good points ponygirl! I'm still debating as far as my LL goes, as my hub seems to do much better. May sound crazy but I like building free sites But with the LL and the hub I don't build as many as I'd like to. I also submit to LL's as you stated for support and because I like the people. Also those LL's have to start somewhere, and could be big at some point. By then they would know me, and know I do my best to submit clean sites that follow their rules which is a plus. I'm trying to narrow mine to 36 that I submit to at this time.

I like your hubs ponygirl, you've done a great job on them Hope you continue to make lot's of money

[Mr. Blue]

I'm not a regular freesite submitter, but when I do I only do it to around 12-16 places.

I don't think small link lists are doomed, but they need to start acting less like a big linklist and more like a small link list I'm not sure why any small linklist would use category recips when a general recip would endear them to submitters. I'm not sure why they need a page long list of rules when a rules page like Tommy's or RR would suffice.

If a small link list had a general recip, easy to submit rules that follow Tommy's or RR, updated their site regularly, and tried to foster a good relationship with their submitters, they would have a loyal following of submitters.

[HarryM]

I agree with what you're saying there Blue, but about the rules... if small linklists are too lose with their rules won't they just end up being a big list of shit?

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by HarryMuff

I agree with what you're saying there Blue, but about the rules... if small linklists are too lose with their rules won't they just end up being a big list of shit?

I'm not saying to loosen the rules but some people decide they have to explain the rules with three pages of writing. Why? lol. Just take a look at Tommy's Bookmarks rules...it fits into a few lines and runs right next to his submit.

You go to some smaller LL and it's like reading the declaration of independence. There's been a few smaller linklists that went to such length to explain their rules that I had to cut & copy it into MS Word just to see the word count on it...the highest so far was 4,000 words.

The thing is, they were the exact same rules that apply at Tommy's or RR's...why did it take 4000 words to say it? Then when they change their rules, etc, they wonder why no one took notice that one sentence in the novel got changed.