ANOTHER Blacklist Grumble!

[hazel]

Don't know exactly who uses the shared blacklist - That rather spiffy blue and black screen where you can see if your site has been rubber-dicked, and why - so don't know who to appeal to directly. Someone suggested that I stick it up on this board however

http://www.hazelsharem.com/ - Blacklisted. Reason: FreeHost

No wonder I can't get sites listed, and don't even get replies

It's REGISTERED at RevShareHosting [which you guys consider "free" hosting], but is HOSTED at p4host.com

Some kind of mix up, or a "just-for-the-hell-of-it" job because of the registration?

[Greenguy]

Do you pay p4host?

How's RevShareHosting involved?

[Useless]

p4Host is paid hosting. I hosted there way back. I fled them when the server I was on was hacked a while back and every single one of my web pages was handing out free trojans to my surfers. Meanwhile, the host kept saying that everything was fine. I've never left a host so fast, and I've left a bunch of them.

[hazel]

Cut a long story short:

Started out with a link/gallery dump using RevShare, because I didn't know any better - It costs me $5 per sale, but zero if I don't get anything

When the Harem was about to be born, found RevShareHosting was too restricted and limited for what I wanted - So I bought the domain through them and TX'd the NS pointer to paid hosting at p4host.com

I like them. They aren't expensive, and I can do just about whatever I want - After all I'm paying for it

[Useless]

Can you transfer your domain away from RevShare to another registrar, or are they one of those places that holds domains hostage?

[hazel]

Why on earth would I want to transfer it to another registrar? What difference does that make to hosting?

[cd34]

I think the comment being made is that your DNS is hosted by a known 'freehosting' company -- as a result, your domain is now in the blacklist for using the freehosting company's DNS.

If you moved your DNS to your actual hosting company, you wouldn't be subject to the blacklisting and your submissions would at least get past that portion of the submission process, the sun would start shining, birds would start chirping and revenue would start flowing.

Until then, I think the powers that be have decided that DNS hosted by freehosting -- regardless of the ultimate location of your site hosting constitutes free hosting. That means that the sun doesn't shine, the birds don't chirp, and the revenue doesn't flow.

[hazel]

Certainly hope that isn't the case, because if it is then there will be a f**kin' stink getting kicked up about it - And even though I don't live in the USofA I'd be taking advice on how much to sue the owners and users for, for unfair monopolistic commercial practices, surpression of competition, operating a cartel, and anything else a good solicitor could dream up

Basically that would constitute complete bollocks to anyone who didn't host with only specific companies approved by the operators

[Useless]

Originally Posted by hazel

Certainly hope that isn't the case, because if it is then there will be a f**kin' stink getting kicked up about it - And even though I don't live in the USofA I'd be taking advice on how much to sue the owners and users for, for unfair monopolistic commercial practices, surpression of competition, operating a cartel, and anything else a good solicitor could dream up

Basically that would constitute complete bollocks to anyone who didn't host with only specific companies approved by the operators

BANNED - Sue me.

[hazel]

Well, Useless Warrior, you appear to be a contributor; And as such you'll be as aware as anyone that restrictive practice is frowned upon in the US, as much [if not more] than in Europe

Still. No point in getting all steamed up about it. If you tell me to only register with places YOU like [or get a kickback from], I [like 99.99% of people with an IQ larger than their shoe size] will tell you to stick it where the sun don't shine

Plenty of other avenues to making a bit of money in this game |blowkiss|

[Cleo]

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Yeah sue me, yeah right.

My list, my rules, end of discussion.

[hazel]

Cummon Cleo, think about it:

You [and the Useless Warrior] are suggesting that registration with a revshare owned registrar equals free hosting, regardless where you host

That infers that registering with an "approved" registrar is okay, regardless of where you host; Even freehosting. But I know that's nonsense

So. Yeah. Why bother, huh?

[Mateusz]

Well... i also was starting off with revshare hosting... still got my main (first) domain banned with usefulscripts (well.. it's no longer hosted there but I don't need to appeal - i feel fine with it...) In fact I'm pretty sure I've earned much more moeny with it than with all other domains, although I wasnt accepted by most LL whithout I can't live now. It's probable becouse I became so lazy thesedays... (I was submiting to 150+ LL, and now only 24)

My advice... get yourself a paid hosting and buy some decend content - you won't have problems with getting listed at any LL but if you can't afford it right now, I can assure you can still make big $$$ - you just need to make up with your diligence

[RonaldBiggs]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hazel

Certainly hope that isn't the case, because if it is then there will be a f**kin' stink getting kicked up about it - And even though I don't live in the USofA I'd be taking advice on how much to sue the owners and users for, for unfair monopolistic commercial practices, surpression of competition, operating a cartel, and anything else a good solicitor could dream up

Basically that would constitute complete bollocks to anyone who didn't host with only specific companies approved by the operators

This has to be the most stupid posts I have seen in a long time. You can't force someone to put a link to your site if they choose not to. People and their threats of lawsuits in this business, drives me crazy.

[hazel]

Hear what you say, Mateusz. I'm regularly buying content, subbing to about 60-65 LLs, and making reasonable money - That's mainly because I'm on paid hosting, and those lists know it

Not to worry. When I get my "god stripes" promotion too, what will I care?

[cd34]

Hazel,

The theory is that freehosting isn't controlled by you -- it could disappear and your sites could be redirected. Linklist owners are very careful to make sure that the sites that they list are surfer-friendly. That way, they get the steady traffic and bookmarkers, it flows through to the people that are listed.

When people cheat and redirect sites or free-hosting disappears overnight, that injustice affects the branding that the Linklist owners have been creating.

So, they banned freehosting -- the way your site is set up, it is questionable as to whether it is freehosted or not, therefore, it falls within that ban. One might call it collateral damage.

Whether you believe it is right or wrong, it is up to the Linklist owners to manage their list in a way that guarantees that they get the surfers to continually come back.

Then there is the fact that freehosting is throwaway hosting for many cheaters. Those cheaters load pages, there's no easy ownership accounting, and the cheater redirects the pages after it is listed. He can then try again next week on a different freehost. Without there being some financial incentive behind putting up decent pages and content, there is little risk to you if you don't follow the rules.

I don't believe the Linklist owners make any kickbacks from hosting or banning particular providers.

However, that rule has been in place for years, and I really doubt that any amount of complaining will change it.

If you want the traffic, delegate your nameservers to your paid webhost.

[hazel]

Jim, you've missed the point I think

The nub of the matter isn't about being stupid and sueing anyone. It's about stupidity in defining paid and free hosting

We go free then we don't get to play with the big boys and girls. We pay for hosting, we do. EXCEPT if you register with a free host owned registrar. That is blatently crass, restrictive and just enough to make little WMs look very cynically upon our more experience helping hands

If the grown ups want to take their ball and play with somebody else, fine. There's plenty of traffic out there

[Cleo]

There are other businesses to earn a living in if you don't like the rules of this one. May I suggest seeking work in the fast paced world of fast food preparation where even those with limited social skills can earn a meager wage.

[natalie]

Originally Posted by hazel

Certainly hope that isn't the case, because if it is then there will be a f**kin' stink getting kicked up about it - And even though I don't live in the USofA I'd be taking advice on how much to sue the owners and users for, for unfair monopolistic commercial practices, surpression of competition, operating a cartel, and anything else a good solicitor could dream up

Basically that would constitute complete bollocks to anyone who didn't host with only specific companies approved by the operators

DO NOT SHIT WHERE YOU EAT!
Hazel until you said that I would have bet someone was about to take you off the blacklist. LOL now your probably stuck there for life. I for one would never list someone, or do any business with them, if they threatened to sue for something so fast!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by cd34

I think the comment being made is that your DNS is hosted by a known 'freehosting' company -- as a result, your domain is now in the blacklist for using the freehosting company's DNS.

If you moved your DNS to your actual hosting company, you wouldn't be subject to the blacklisting and your submissions would at least get past that portion of the submission process, the sun would start shining, birds would start chirping and revenue would start flowing.

Until then, I think the powers that be have decided that DNS hosted by freehosting -- regardless of the ultimate location of your site hosting constitutes free hosting. That means that the sun doesn't shine, the birds don't chirp, and the revenue doesn't flow.

Hazel - this is the best piece of advice in this thread.

Here's my info so you can sue me:
Greenguy Marketing Inc
6567 Powers Rd
Orchard Park, NY 14127
Attn: Mark Jenkins

[JoeBlack]

This is off topic, but GG have you ever gotten any love letters or hate mail to that address ?

[Presmar]

That was extremely entertaining and informative...give me more!

[Mishi]

Just when I think I've seen it all...

[Greenguy]

JoeBlack - I get a lot of mail