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Old 2005-11-28, 07:38 AM   #1
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Deletion from DMOZ - enemies in action?

Hello.
I have a serious trouble with DMOZ.org project.
Over a year ago, I've submitted my review site http://www.porninspector.com to Reviews section:
http://dmoz.org/Adult/Computers/Inte...Sites/Reviews/

The site has been listed there without any problem.

You can see it here:
http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp.../Reviews?tc=1/

Today I found out there is no my site in parent DMOZ section:
http://dmoz.org/Adult/Computers/Inte...Sites/Reviews/

Anybody can explain the possible reasons for this deletion? Why did it happen? How to restore standings in the listing?
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Old 2005-11-28, 10:19 AM   #2
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You know, Kit..I really think the "editors" are just arbitrary in their listings and 'de-listings' because I’ve found most times they make no sense.

I can't tell you how many times I’ve submitted sites to categories that are totally empty..*like 2 or 3 listings* and never gotten listed even though the content and site matched exactly and the # of times I’ve submitted to a general over 'stuffed' category and gotten listed immediately only to be de-listed 3 to 6 months with zero explanation. and zero response to email asking why.

who know how the "gods of dmoz" think?
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Old 2005-11-28, 11:24 AM   #3
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The editors usually build the same type of sites that are listed in their categories.

Your site might have been competing with theirs for a keyword phrase in google or something.

You can submit sites to DMOZ and not have it reviewed for years. You're lucky to get anything listed if you're not a editor or don't know a editor.
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Old 2005-11-28, 11:35 AM   #4
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On second thought I submitted a noncommercial site and it was listed promptly within a month.

I think you got a less than 1% chance for adult
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Old 2005-11-28, 02:35 PM   #5
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I think it may be truth :-(
One my friend show me this domain:
http://www.whois.sc/dmoz/FREE-SEX-PI...E-SEX-PICS.COM
It's a clear spam of DMOZ directory, but it's a "right" spam from "right" person (I think so).
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Old 2005-11-28, 04:31 PM   #6
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It's the old AOL trick - repeat the keywords multiple times in the domain name, and it used to push you right to the top of the old AOL listings (based on dmoz at the time but with a really simple minded keyword algo).

There was a time when that trick could make you a bunch of bucks off of that creamy AOL traffic.

And you used to see it used all the time by crafty dmoz editors, who figured out that hack on AOL early on.

Pretty much useless now, in fact, there's a bunch of speculation that google penalizes for too many repititions and hyphens in domain names.
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Old 2005-11-28, 10:46 PM   #7
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Kit - I think youll find that there is no category editor for that cat. - and it doesnt seem to have anyone in the category above it - so I would guess this was an auto removal not a manual removal. Im not familiar with all of the reasons for the auto-removals, but I also know that google will keep the sites in there for a while. Keep in mind that Google recently changed their "Directory" listings so that they no longer carry a bunch of categories that DMOZ has so you may have just gotten lucky with the google dir.
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Old 2005-11-28, 11:04 PM   #8
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What reasons for auto-removals do you know about Linkster?

Do you get the impression they are doing more of that kind of thing lately?
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Old 2005-11-29, 02:16 AM   #9
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Auto removal?

I thought their entire deal was to have humans do everything by hand.
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Old 2005-11-29, 11:20 AM   #10
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I found the reason. One of the DMOZ editors helped me. The editor, who deleted my site, is named Jezebel. This is a deletion note:

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Delete Adult/Computers/Internet/Searching/Link_Sites/Reviews [14/Oct/2005 07:43:37 EDT]
http://www.porninspector.com/
Notes: Although this site is quite heavy on content (pictures etc) all links I tried were affiliate links. It is also connected to penisbot.com which has been unlistable (rednoted) here for a long time.
So the deletion turned out to be a result of my request to restore PenisBot.com in DMOZ listing. 4 Years ago, it has been deleted and blacklisted due to some multi-posting issue. We made AVS sites for multiple AVS-systems and submitted them to related AVS categories. I think I atoned my guilt long time ago.

There was another reason mentioned : "links I tried were affiliate links".

1) We have dozens of non-commercial reviews, like als-scan, fleshbot, literotica:
http://www.porninspector.com/reviews/review/fleshbot/
http://www.porninspector.com/reviews/review/literotica/
http://www.porninspector.com/reviews/review/als-scan/

2) http://dmoz.org/Adult/Computers/Inte...Sites/Reviews/
Review sites usually review the sites that have affiliate programs. You can easily find another "too commercial" sites there.

After appealing for rehabilitation of Penisbot, I've got PornInspector.com deleted instead, just because I'm the owner of PenisBot.com
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Old 2005-11-29, 01:17 PM   #11
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You're getting shafted - thats my opinion on your situation
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Old 2005-11-29, 01:42 PM   #12
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There are some very old networks in this biz. People should think before pissing someone off.
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Old 2005-11-29, 01:58 PM   #13
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There are some very old networks in this biz. People should think before pissing someone off.

You shouldn't have site "B" deleted because you made a mistake with site "A" some years back.

Pissed off or not DMOZ editors aren't suppose to treat the directories like their own personal link list

You're not suppose to become a editor just to list your own shit and to maintan a edge over your competition..

But let's face the facts - why else would anybody do it?
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Old 2005-11-29, 03:08 PM   #14
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I been waiting 2 + years to get my LL listed there.. And I truely believe that the reviewers of most of the adult categories are corupt.. they dont want you listed there.. And I really dont give a shit less...
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Sleeper, are you currently, or have you ever been a DMOZ editor?

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Old 2005-12-02, 10:00 PM   #17
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Sleeper, are you currently, or have you ever been a DMOZ editor?

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That is irrelevant.

I've observed more then enough to place an accurate conclusion.

Many commercial webmasters become DMOZ editors for personal gain - that's all there is to it.

You can't tell me otherwise
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Sleeper, are you currently, or have you ever been a DMOZ editor?

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I was Dave.

And Jezabel is one of the main problem editors in the adult section. She spends all her time protecting her own and friends listed sites rather than reviewing any new submits.

BTW Kit... when I was an editor I sent several requests through to have the penisbot ban removed for you.

If Jezabel or anyone else cares the check out the /editors/banned/penisbot.com/ category there is a long and very reaosnable request for the ban to be lifted sitting there being ignored.

the original reason for that ban is no excuse for removing porninspector in my opinion anyway.
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Old 2005-12-03, 10:00 AM   #19
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Figures - the only people who seem to think that there is nothing wrong with DMOZ tends to be editors and people who have editors for friends.
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Old 2005-12-02, 03:57 PM   #20
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PhoneMistress , thank you for the advise.
But people tell me, there is prohibited now to ask submssion status on reources-zone.com forum. Also I've seen itself meta editor phrase: "rednoted sites not recoverable ever".

But I'm not regarding Penisbot.com now. I just want to tell, my sites not more commercial as other sites presented in this category:
http://dmoz.org/Adult/Computers/Inte...Sites/Reviews/

I know it exaclty because I know this niche. The 90-95% of reviews is commecrial. My site have the noncommercial reviews and I'll work under them even more in a future, because people ask review of AlsScan.com and many other sites without affiliate program. I'll do all for my audience satisfaction.

PS. I'll post appeal in http://www.resource-zone.com a bit later.
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Hahaha..... Irrelevant??!...

It is pivotal to your arguments...

.. and as suspected it proves that you have no idea what you are talking about and that your "opinions" are as I have said - BASELESS!

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Old 2005-12-03, 12:13 AM   #22
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Hahaha..... Irrelevant??!...

It is pivotal to your arguments...

.. and as suspected it proves that you have no idea what you are talking about and that your "opinions" are as I have said - BASELESS!

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Thats like saying because I don't smoke crack I can't possibly spot a crack head.

Or better yet because I don't cheat for traffic I can't possibly spot a cheater stealing traffic and there for cheating doesn't exsist.

I still think it's amusing that you insist on taking this ridiculous stance that there aren't any corrupt editors in DMOZ.


http://www.corruptdmozeditor.com/
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I still think it's amusing that you insist on taking this ridiculous stance that there aren't any corrupt editors in DMOZ.
It's not amusung.. She is his buddy and helps him Sleeper..

doesnt she Dave?


We can always have a look at what her and your Partner did to Cj's linklist site if someone in side DMOZ wanted documented proof of how those two act.
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Old 2005-12-04, 03:49 PM   #24
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Don't you think that some people may become editors at Dmoz out of interest in helping to make it better?? There are plenty of dmoz editors that are not webmasters at all. They do it because it is satisfying and interesting work.
That is total bullshit that people only apply to edit in the category that they build sites for and only for their own gain. Just because you think thats the only reason you would do it do not assume everyone else in the world is as selfish as you.
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Old 2005-12-04, 07:01 PM   #25
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Don't you think that some people may become editors at Dmoz out of interest in helping to make it better?? There are plenty of dmoz editors that are not webmasters at all. They do it because it is satisfying and interesting work.
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I never said all editors were corrupt - besides it's kind of hard to capitalize in a non profit directory.

I'm simply implying the level of corruption increases inside the directories when there is more to be gained.
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That is total bullshit that people only apply to edit in the category that they build sites for and only for their own gain. Just because you think thats the only reason you would do it do not assume everyone else in the world is as selfish as you.
Prehaps you should read this thread again - it's obvious the don't understand my position.

And for the record - I would not be a DMOZ editor to help make it better nor would I be a DMOZ editor to list my own sites.

I don't think it's worth my time either way.
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