CSS Tables

cd34 · 2008-10-29, 02:58 AM

Mentioned this in the IRC chatroom this evening, but, figured it might interest a few people that are looking to move more towards CSS and away from tables.

http://www.digital-web.com/articles/..._CSS_Is_wrong/

Cleo · 2008-10-29, 07:58 AM

I'm not caffeinated yet but from what I'm reading in my sleepy state of mind it looks like these tags will only work in IE 8 which makes them rather useless.

Licker4U · 2008-10-29, 08:16 AM

Damn, something new to learn...

cd34 · 2008-10-29, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo

I'm not caffeinated yet but from what I'm reading in my sleepy state of mind it looks like these tags will only work in IE 8 which makes them rather useless.

The fresh CSS table-based layout that we’ve just created will display correctly in Internet Explorer 8 as well as in Firefox, Safari, and Opera; the image below shows how it looks in IE8.

digifan · 2008-10-29, 09:27 AM

Thanks. I hope you don't mind me posting it on another forum.

Cleo · 2008-10-29, 09:32 AM

Espresso is being made...

Ok, I copied the code into a document and it does display properly in Safari but is a bit of a mess in my editor (Adobe Golive 9) so I guess this is another sign that it is time to upgrade to the new version of Adobe Dreamweaver.

A week or so ago I spent a day trying to do a tableless gallery layout that looked like my usual design but was never able to get it to display properly in my usual three browsers but I do have a little better understanding of things like float.

Not wanting to be left behind in the evolution of html coding I ordered Cascading Style Sheets: Separating Content from Presentation, Second Edition and it just arrived yesterday.

Cleo · 2008-10-29, 10:29 AM

Actually the layout does fail in IE 6.

MadCat · 2008-10-29, 12:07 PM

IE6 and IE7 don't know about table-* properties, at all. Even then, if your page is not xhtml strict or transitional, there will still be differences in how things are rendered between browsers.

Spent last friday talking to a webdesigner friend to learn some more about CSS and he said that until IE8 comes out and CSS support in all browsers is more or less "identical", it's a huge pain in the ass to get things to look exactly the same across different browsers.

Simon · 2008-10-29, 12:10 PM

Thanks, cd34.

Got your message about that too and I have that marked to look at once I'm done with the newsletter today (which I should be finishing right now but need a break).

--
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Cleo · 2008-10-29, 12:31 PM

I've been slowly using more css but I guess I'll be using tables for sometime.

Senator_x · 2008-10-29, 01:57 PM

Nothing but CSS. I been using Wordpress since it came out and have been using CSS ever since.

CSS is a must for any webmaster these days. All my site are design with CSS all the way.

ExLust · 2008-10-30, 02:10 AM

I've been using CSS to layout sites. And what I've observe table-less website loads faster.

p3rlphr33k · 2008-10-30, 07:10 AM

This is nothing new, its just never been main stream because IE never followed the standard. Now that Mr. Bill has left Micro$oft they can continue to develop "REAL" software. IE8 will be standardized and bloated vista replaced with windows7.

2008-10-29, 02:58 AM	#1
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	CSS Tables Mentioned this in the IRC chatroom this evening, but, figured it might interest a few people that are looking to move more towards CSS and away from tables. http://www.digital-web.com/articles/..._CSS_Is_wrong/ __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

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2008-10-29, 09:27 AM	#5
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2008-10-29, 09:32 AM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Espresso is being made... Ok, I copied the code into a document and it does display properly in Safari but is a bit of a mess in my editor (Adobe Golive 9) so I guess this is another sign that it is time to upgrade to the new version of Adobe Dreamweaver. A week or so ago I spent a day trying to do a tableless gallery layout that looked like my usual design but was never able to get it to display properly in my usual three browsers but I do have a little better understanding of things like float. Not wanting to be left behind in the evolution of html coding I ordered Cascading Style Sheets: Separating Content from Presentation, Second Edition and it just arrived yesterday. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2008-10-29, 12:07 PM	#8
MadCat If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 247	IE6 and IE7 don't know about table-* properties, at all. Even then, if your page is not xhtml strict or transitional, there will still be differences in how things are rendered between browsers. Spent last friday talking to a webdesigner friend to learn some more about CSS and he said that until IE8 comes out and CSS support in all browsers is more or less "identical", it's a huge pain in the ass to get things to look exactly the same across different browsers.

2008-10-29, 12:10 PM	#9
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	Thanks, cd34. Got your message about that too and I have that marked to look at once I'm done with the newsletter today (which I should be finishing right now but need a break). -- the bear is white __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2008-10-29, 12:31 PM	#10
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I've been slowly using more css but I guess I'll be using tables for sometime. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2008-10-29, 01:57 PM	#11
Senator_x Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 136	Nothing but CSS. I been using Wordpress since it came out and have been using CSS ever since. CSS is a must for any webmaster these days. All my site are design with CSS all the way. __________________ Web Design and Development using WordPress. Hit me up on ICQ 61661595

2008-10-30, 02:10 AM	#12
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2008-10-30, 07:10 AM	#13
p3rlphr33k Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Grand Forks ND Posts: 138	This is nothing new, its just never been main stream because IE never followed the standard. Now that Mr. Bill has left Micro$oft they can continue to develop "REAL" software. IE8 will be standardized and bloated vista replaced with windows7. __________________ P3rlPhr33k http://btuz.com