Hello everyone, Vlad here from Too Much Media (NATS)

[TMM_Vlad]

Hey guys, I would like to introduce myself as part of the Too Much Media (NATS) team as the Account Mngr/Sales/Marketing guy.

If you have any questions or would like to demo our software, please feel free to give me a shout at anytime.

The TMM Product Suite: NATS - Affiliate Software | CARMA - Content Management | RSSdish - Powerful RSS Software

Thanks and look forward to speaking with you all soon!

-Vlad Z.
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[Useless]

NATS sucks cock.

[TMM_Vlad]

care to elaborate?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by TMM_Vlad

care to elaborate?

No.

[TMM_Vlad]

Good talks.

[Greenguy]

Let me dig up the threads - I've asked MANY times for NATS people to come here & answer questions & no one ever does. We all pretty much have bad feelings towards your company for many reasons (some have feelings that are worse than bad)

[Greenguy]

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=51175

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=36496 <--- very long

Those are the 2 biggies from the last 6 months or so. Feel free to write up a report & post it on Monday

[Greenguy]

In that last thread (which is older than I thought) you'll see John from NATS posted a bit, but then suddenly stopped after this:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Just wanted to let everyone know I haven't disappeared. I had plans last night and again tonight. I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight....

There's a lot of unanswered questions over there.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by TMM_Vlad

Good talks.

With language skills like that, they put you in marketing? Excellent.

[DangerDave]

NATS sucks!

http://www.nonats.com/

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

With language skills like that, they put you in marketing? Excellent.

That's just the way they roll. I dare this new guy to explain the benefits of NATS. I'm guessing that's his job.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

http://www.nonats.com/

Fucking Brilliant!

[Greenguy]

Why do I have the feeling Vlad is not coming back?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Why do I have the feeling Vlad is not coming back?

If Vlad (not the Impaler) is being taught by John, then he isn't going to come back. John does not discuss their products with anyone who shows negativity toward them. But he does have excellent grammar. (John - not Vlad. Vlad's grammar sucks, and so does NATS.)

[TMM_Vlad]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Why do I have the feeling Vlad is not coming back?

I'm back, thank you for the WARM welcome everyone!

[TMM_Vlad]

Greenie- We have http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com which may be able to help answer some of your questions.

[Torn Rose]

Originally Posted by TMM_Vlad

Greenie- We have http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com which may be able to help answer some of your questions.

Isn't that your job to answer questions? Or is telling someone to "read this" all you know how to do?

[TMM_Vlad]

I can answer general questions such as pricing, features, etc.. I am not a tech guy, If you have any tech questions please email or PM me and I will do the best I can to have one of the guys here answer them.

[LeRoy]

Come on Vlad. Coming from a company that is all programming. You need to be specific and come up with answers. Not just links to a wiki. You know words that give explanation.

If I called you on the phone and pointed to a site and said "yah" thats it. That's what I want. When Can I get it? You would want more from me right?

So lets just start small. Right here.

Is there a way to shave sales in NATS? I heard that term "Shave" and "Nats" in the same sentence a few times.

Care to elaborate?

[TMM_Vlad]

The wiki is very extensive and you can find out almost anything there. To answer your question NATS does not have any shaving features for the program owner to use. "Shave" is not in our vocabulary here.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by TMM_Vlad

The wiki is very extensive and you can find out almost anything there. To answer your question NATS does not have any shaving features for the program owner to use. "Shave" is not in our vocabulary here.

Here's a couple of synonyms "skim, under report sales, scoop, cook the books, bullshit the affiliate, scam, filter the sales"

[Greenguy]

Seriously, I know the "cool" thing is to bash & hate NATS, but some of us do use it & have legit questions.

So for now, if you have nothing productive to say, shut up.

[Greenguy]

TMM_Vlad - I never noticed the wiki page when I was over there looking for help (or it wasn't there the last time I was there) but my questions are more along the lines of why's & can you's instead of how's.

The 1st 3 are the questions I asked John years ago before he never came back:


1 - What's with the link codes? I think I'm safe in saying that no one here understands the need to have MTUxOjU6MTU be the link code for one site & MTUxOjU6Mw be the link code for another in the same program. Yes, I know there are unencoded links available, but why are those not the default? What is the purpose of the seemingly random letters & numbers?
(edit to add...) and what's with that update that added 0,0,0, to the end of the link codes? What do they do? If they are options where you change the 0's to a different number/letter, can you give me an example of a program that is using it, as I have not seen any that have something different than 0,0,0,

2 - You mentioned that CCBill is a processor, but I think to correctly describe them, they are a processor with an affiliate admin. Paycom is a processor & they're POS affiliate admin shows you nothing but signups & money. CCBill does track clicks & set up banners & a lot of affiliate admin stuff. To be honest, they'd be perfect if they forced the program to use sub accounts for all their tours & then posted the total clicks for individual sub accounts. But, to get to the point, what I really love in their admin is that I can see each individual member that I referred, what they were charged, what I made, how long they stayed & if they were still active. CCBill assigns the member a number & I assume that pretty much all other processors do the same thing. I would really like to see NATS implement this into their stats because the way it is now with NATS (and every other revshare affiliate admin) you have no idea how many recurred, which is a really valuable tool when deciding if a sponsor is worth it or not. If I sent 10 signups to a NATS program & looked a couple months later & saw 5 rebills, is that 5 individual rebills (5 members recurred once & then cancelled) or is that 1 member that recurred for 5 months where 9 cancelled after the trial. That info is critical for anyone promoting revshare programs

3 -

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

...1) the way in which NATS client display stats to their affiliates is up to them. I agree some programs do it in ways that I never would but everyone has different ideas. As long as the programs are showing the correct data and not misleading or lying their affiliates we have no problem with how they show it....

You have to admit, while it may not be lying, it certainly is misleading for a recurring program to show you that you have 9 signups & a total of $362.10 & not point out on the same line that the total is before processing & their cut when every other program out there shows the affiliate they money they made. I understand that the sponsor has the option to show it the normal way or this screwed up way, but NATS gave them that option.

The new one, for 4.0 - why did they choose to use tableless CSS for the stats, thus making it almost impossible to copy & paste. Why is there no option to export stats into a csv/txt/xls file?

I only use 2 programs that use 4.0 so I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road.

If you could please have someone reply to these I'd appreciate it.

[Greenguy]

And one thing for all the haters - remember that NATS doesn't force the programs to use their script, nor any of it's features. There are a lot of STUPID program owners out there that are either scumbags or not educated enough with the script or they are just morons. Just because they turn on an option does not mean that NATS sucks - they're not called requirements

Personally, I think there is a shave option built into EVERY affiliate admin - or at least a way to manually "correct" data. Just because it's there does not mean the program has to use it.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Greenie

And one thing for all the haters - remember that NATS doesn't force the programs to use their script, nor any of it's features. There are a lot of STUPID program owners out there that are either scumbags or not educated enough with the script or they are just morons. Just because they turn on an option does not mean that NATS sucks - they're not called requirements

Personally, I think there is a shave option built into EVERY affiliate admin - or at least a way to manually "correct" data. Just because it's there does not mean the program has to use it.

I like the NATS back-end for affiliates and 3 of my best selling sponsors use NATS. What I don't like is sponsors that make the sales stats un-fuckingreadable and sponsors that set their NATS cookie to 1 hour or less.

IN both of those cases, it's the sponsor that's causing the issues, not the software.

CCBill needs a better way to handle affiliate tools other than 3rd party & their stats while detailed take about 5 minutes to load. And where are my referral pages?

No affiliate system is perfect.