I just got bitch slapped by Club-Xstream

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Bill

I don't know of any content provider that is going to give that much information, and jump thru hoops to please your lawyer.

Does anybody know of one that does? I'd be curious to hear about it.

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I have never heard of a sponsor that gives out that kind of info on their content either.

Woah. I started posting in the Newbie Questions section because I had been out of the adult website business for a few years and stuff changes fast. There are plenty of developments that have happened, so if I speak out of ignorance, will one of the more experienced webmasters please tell me.

If you are a new (or returning) webmaster and live or work in the USA you are not only REQUIRED to keep the records I mentioned in my earlier post, you are risking an ungodly amount of federal prison time if you don't. (I am aware that older websites and material have been grandfathered into the law in various ways. I am talking about the new stuff.)

The Federal Law is referred to as 2257 and here is a guide to compliance.

Tons of lawyer speak.

I hired a lawyer to sort it through and to maintain the records for me (that I gather, format and send to him) and they check it for legal compliance, give me a thumbs up and then keep it available for the Feds to inspect anytime they want to.

The list of info required by the Feds is included in the list of information that I was requesting from the content provider (with the possible exception of the size of the ID scan...I think my lawyer included that to prove due diligence to a court of law).

I would tell you the Law Group, but I don't want to be accused of spamming and frankly I just started working with these guys and cannot give an honest evaluation of their services yet...all seems good so far. If you want to know their name/URL private message me.

So.....

If in the future a Content Provider sells a US based webmaster content without providing the info mentioned earlier, the US webmaster is in legal jeopardy for using the content if the Feds come knocking and demand the 2257 records for review.

Seems like the Content Providers should get off their ass?

Some have. After Club-Xstream gave me attitude I hardly went away crying. I spent the rest of the day researching new Content Providers who seem to have some concept of what is expected.

So...Bill...here is the first link I found to a Content Providers mentioning 2257 and how they will provide the info you need:

http://webmasters.matrixcontent.com/...s/bill2257.php
(You will need a Matrix Content log-in to access the page).

But as I cruise around, I see only about 15 percent of active Content Providers seeming to even mention providing the correct documentation. Plenty of them mention the original 2257 regulations (back when the webmaster did not need to retain the actual records themselves). Few mention anything about supplying the updated documentation now required for US webmasters.

If that is what I have to deal with, fine. It takes more than legal hoops to jump through to keep me from making an honest buck.

But I beginning to wonder if nobody seems to care because most of the adult webmasters are now no longer based in the USA? Did Bush Jr made the frakkin thing so complicated that US webmasters now the minority in all porn sites operators?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by domweb

But I beginning to wonder if nobody seems to care because most of the adult webmasters are now no longer based in the USA? Did Bush Jr made the frakkin thing so complicated that US webmasters now the minority in all porn sites operators?

No, people mostly make a good faith attempt to comply, but ignore the parts of the law that impose impossible to fulfill burdens.

As soon as a secondary producer is harrassed, everybody will run for the hills.

But yes, the small us webmaster is indeed a dying breed. And bush 2257 definitely killed off quite a few, which was it's purpose.

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Bill

Who's providing you with all that?

Well...my first purchase was from Scarlett Content and I have received the material and it met all my lawyers specs so far. I bundled up the first test 2257 record and ran it through a dry run with my lawyer. They are reviewing it now.

As for the scan of the ID being at least the same size as the ID...why is anyone upset by that? If I can magnify the JPG, TIF or whatever photo of the ID and it's very legible I would call that good.

Five Start Content says that will deliver what I am asking for from it's website...but I haven't spoken with anyone at the site.

Adult Sex Content said they have a standard package, but also admitted they never hear of the name request.

Ounique says what I want is no problem.

Seriously guys. You are all talking about this like it's an impossible request and no webmaster would supply you with what I am asking for.

Seriously. It Is The Fucking Law if you are based in the USA and you are buying content produced in the last few years to have this information.

Maybe not precisely the way my lawyer wants it...but 99 percent dead on.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by domweb

Seriously guys. You are all talking about this like it's an impossible request and no webmaster would supply you with what I am asking for.

I didn't say it was impossible, I said I never heard of content providers providing that whole list. And asked you who does.

I rather like the thought of you putting the fear of the fed into the newbies and such. Keep it up.

Scarlett content? I had no idea they were shooting anything new - I thought that was all old stuff. Sure looked old, when I browsed their catalog. I wonder how they did the research to track down every possible name before or since.

I wonder if a model or a provider forgets a name it's "send a secondary producer to jail" time.

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Adam Walsh had grandfathering?

But, Adam Walsh is a fucking obscure piece of legislation, I gather.

Might be fun to get some content providers and legal beagles discussing it.

[domweb]

Originally Posted by Bill

I rather like the thought of you putting the fear of the fed into the newbies and such. Keep it up.

Sometimes I think the only thing that will do that is when folks start getting arrested. *sigh*

I am not worried about the pro's. They have been around, made some bank and lawyered up if they know what they are doing.

It's the guy or girl who recently got into porn and thought that buying X amount of content at that great sale was a smart move without understanding the record keeping requirements.

Ah well. No one said success was easy. I just gotta focus on keeping myself legal and wait to see if the hammer falls.