xxx trailers

[eman]

What would you expect to find on Google if you searched for "xxx trailers"? Not links to a Van Diesel film from 2002 I'll bet!

Me neither. But that's what you'll get.

And in the absence of any porn content in the serps (until one single entry on page 2) how come Google lists porno adwords ads?

This would seem to be at least partly explained by the views expressed here http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/...ic.php?t=18817

(as referenced by http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ghlight=google)

[Jim]

I don't know. When I first read xxx trailers, I serously thought of the mainstream movies. But, try searching "xxx movies" (the more likely search for surfers searching for porn movies) and you will find what you are looking for.

But, I do see your point about the adwords.

[walrus]

Originally Posted by eman

What would you expect to find on Google if you searched for "xxx trailers"? Not links to a Van Diesel film from 2002 I'll bet!

Me neither. But that's what you'll get.

And in the absence of any porn content in the serps (until one single entry on page 2) how come Google lists porno adwords ads?

This would seem to be at least partly explained by the views expressed here http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/...ic.php?t=18817

(as referenced by http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ghlight=google)

Actually that is pretty much exactly what I would expect. Why wouldn't you expect to get movie trailers from a film named "XXX" with that search term?

"Trailer" isn't very widely used term outside of the movie industry and I can't ever think of it being used in association with adult to describe a video clip.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by eman

And in the absence of any porn content in the serps (until one single entry on page 2) how come Google lists porno adwords ads?

The reason all the adwords are adult industry related is because there are no other more relevant ads to go ahead of them in this case.

[eman]

My reason for asking the question is that for many months, and until very recently, Hadafew was listed at #1 on Google for the term "xxx trailers". On May 15th (or thereabouts) my listing disappeared completely. The first two pages of the serps for "xxx trailers" became almost entirely dominated by sites relating to Vin Diesel's movie "xxx", with just one porn site managing to squeeze onto the first two pages, at the bottom of page 2.

As far as I remember, when Hadafew was at #1, mainstream sites relating to trailers for "xxx" were nowhere to be seen.

The NY TImes article, with its insights from Google's engineers, seems to suggest what happened - for whatever reason, Google's engineers tweaked the algorithms to give "xxx trailers" a shift in relevance.

I just checked the first few pages of the serps and discovered that Hadafew's listing has finally re-appeared, at the top of page 6. Any improvement is welcome.

Whatever relevance Google might attach to "xxx trailers" in the serps, they are still happy to recognise it as highly relevant to adwords ads (you'll notice there are no ads for Vin's film!) - but, of course, that relevance comes at a price. If Google decide to play God, there's nobody who can stop them. They can manipulate the serps as much as they like (cutting out the opposition) while still raking in the adwords revenue.

Obviously, some terms, for example "free porn", are entirely unambiguous and as such will never be subject to a shift in relevance, but it will be interesting to see how Google finally chooses to handle "xxx clips" (already a mixture of porn and Vin Diesel).

And who knows what next - "big tits" could be made more relevant to wild birds while "MILF" could be centred on the film American Pie (or The Moro Islamic Liberation Front - it's already on page 1). etc etc

[Greenguy]

It comes & goes - get used to it.

Otherwise, you spend way too much time & energy trying to figure out what you might have done that caused you to loose the listing & in the end, you end up wasting time & stressing yourself out.

Enjoy it while you have it, but don't worry about it when you don't because it's out of your control.

[Halfdeck]

If Google decide to play God, there's nobody who can stop them.

Google.com doesn't belong to you. It belongs to Larry Page and his buddy Sergey Brin. Do you enjoy hearing me bitch and whine about what you do with Hadafew? Hadafew is your site. You decide what to do with it, not me.

[LowryBigwood]

I lost some really great listings last month as well, but my site will survive. I try to build my site for the surfer instead of the search engine. I know you're probably tired of hearing it, so i'll stop on that..

About not showing adwords ads for the mainstream film, it doesn't appear there are any advertisers targeting that kw. But, there are some adult webmasters targeting it, so yeah their ads will show.

[eman]

One important aspect that nobody seems ready to pick up on is that the serps are becoming very "muddy". That's to say that, in the case of MILF, for example, there are now two listings relating to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on the first page.

How can Google sustain a model which mixes incompatible search results to an extent which would be unacceptable in the real world?

Imagine going into a book shop to browse some learned tomes about Islam only to find that every other book dealt with guys fucking their best friend's mother. And vice versa - if you're looking for some clips of a guy getting his end away with some hot older woman you don't want to be side-tracked by pictures of some old prune in a burka.

At some point there has to be a parting of the ways - porn goes this way, mainstream goes that way. It's inevitable. The more sophisticated the algorithms, the more obvious the division.

[Useless]

I guess I've found that thread they were referring to.

Originally Posted by eman

At some point there has to be a parting of the ways - porn goes this way, mainstream goes that way. It's inevitable. The more sophisticated the algorithms, the more obvious the division.

I certainly understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree that there will be a parting of ways. What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase. But then again, Google already has the Safe Search option for those who do not want adult material. And I think it defaults to the Safe option and you have to choose (and get cookied for) the non Safe option. So why bother filtering beyond that? I don't know.

[eman]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I guess I've found that thread they were referring to.
I certainly understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree that there will be a parting of ways. What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase. But then again, Google already has the Safe Search option for those who do not want adult material. And I think it defaults to the Safe option and you have to choose (and get cookied for) the non Safe option. So why bother filtering beyond that? I don't know.

I'd be inclined to think that the effectiveness of Safe Search would depend on the user being aware that an ambiguity existed. Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.

Google does need to get it right. And the harder they try, the harder it seems to get.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by eman

Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.

Google does need to get it right. And the harder they try, the harder it seems to get.

The thing that stands out to me with this situation is the amount of surfers looking for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front vs. the amount of surfers looking for hot older women when searching for "MILF" is lopsided.

It seems impossible to me to think that Google can figure out based on someone searching for "MILF", that they are really looking for the Muslim site. I would guess that nearly all people searching for that term are looking for porn.

Since Google doesn't know what exactly the surfer might want for this term, what's the problem with offering them a choice in the way of two different types of sites that are referred to with the same acronym? It is not Googles fault that the Muslims named their organization in such a way that it uses the same acronym as Moms I'd Like To Fuck!

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by eman

Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.

What do you want to happen? You want a search for "MILF" to only return results for Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Or are you saying Moro Islamic Liberation Front shouldn't be returned as a result? MILF stands for Mothers I like to fuck AND Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Both are relevant to the query term "MILF." With a more targeted qualifier (e.g. "sexy milf") the Islamic Liberat Front site disappears from the results, which is exactly how it should be.

[eman]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

What do you want to happen? You want a search for "MILF" to only return results for Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Or are you saying Moro Islamic Liberation Front shouldn't be returned as a result? MILF stands for Mothers I like to fuck AND Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Both are relevant to the query term "MILF." With a more targeted qualifier (e.g. "sexy milf") the Islamic Liberat Front site disappears from the results, which is exactly how it should be.

Of course "a more targeted qualifier" would work. But therein lies the problem. Why should some muslim scholar feel compelled to dis-associate himself from results linked to porn. And why should he/she feel the need to be be conversant with Google's filter options before making a search.

If search results were automatically filtered with porn this way and mainstrean that way, there wouldn't be a problem. And if solving the problem seems difficult, then I'd suggest that Google has all the money it needs to get the job done.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase.

Another well know search engine is doing that to some extent already. Makes sense that google is or will be soon.

[Useless]

Where can I buy content for my new reality site based on young Islamic militants banging older babes in Burkas?

[eman]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Where can I buy content for my new reality site based on young Islamic militants banging older babes in Burkas?

Do a search on Islamic-Google.com using the no-veil filter.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by eman

Why should some muslim scholar feel compelled to dis-associate himself from results linked to porn. And why should he/she feel the need to be be conversant with Google's filter options before making a search.

Why should some average joe have to see those irrelevant muslim results when searching for MILF? I know why.... Because you want special treatment. Guess what.... You ain't getting it.

[eman]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Why should some average joe have to see those irrelevant muslim results when searching for MILF? I know why.... Because you want special treatment. Guess what.... You ain't getting it.

My latest research has revealed something very relevant.

Guess what.... You ain't getting it.

[Linkster]

eman - this has actually been going on since 2003 - their first attempt at this was to start filtering just the english language results and for one keyword "sex"
If you look at the browser bar - the &hl= term describes the language the results are in and you can certainly change it to see what the rest of the world (outside of the US, UK, CA and AU) sees - there is an amazing difference in "filtering" although Google themselves on another board called it censoring

Example:
Take that same keyword
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
and you get what the US sees

Now change the url:
http://www.google.gr/search?q=sex&hl=el&start=0&sa=N

And you see that the filtering isnt taking place

Its been progressing over certain words and phrases for the last 4 years and they must be playing with the filtering again as the xxx term keeps going between mainstream and porn - and has for at least 3 years that Ive followed that specific term in my spreadsheets

[eman]

Thanks for that, Linkster

My own research has highlighted certain "ambiguous" terms which are flitting between mainstream and porn.