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2008-02-08, 06:15 PM | #1 |
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I just "broke" the penisbot captcha... Further to the Captcha discussion...
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http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=45164 I'm not trying to be a prick or anything, just trying to educate when it comes to trying to stop the cheaters/auto submitters, which, IMO, can't really be done via the submit form without driving away real quality submitters. I'm by no means "brilliant" and I don't have any OCR type code.. but a light bulb went off in my head today and I sat down and spent maybe an hour and a half to "prove" my theory... And it works... So far 100% accurate... If anyone is interested I can put a page up that shows it broken... using the techinque I came up with can break a lot of the captcha used on the link lists I've seen including richards-realm, hoes, obviously wetplace, freesitexxx, sexties, smutlinks etc. |
2008-02-08, 06:37 PM | #2 | |
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I think the whole issue is blown way out of proportion. You can spend hours on end whining about it and trying to break people's forms just to prove a point, or just type in the damn code (5 seconds) and be done with it. IMHO.
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2008-02-08, 06:43 PM | #3 |
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I agree
Your hacking could possible make the captcha problem worse and probable get you black listed
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2008-02-08, 06:51 PM | #4 |
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I think you're biased by this forum... Do you submit freesites to say 50 LLs a day? If you did you'd soon realize that it's not cost effective to do it by hand... I'm shocked by the low amount of traffic that gets sent to the free sites...
But then again, if you're only doing this as a hobbby as opposed to running it like a business, then I guess it wouldn't matter. I always find it interesting how the LL owners tell the subimtters to stop whining... Why not just close down your form and build all your own free sites if you hold the submitters in such disdain. |
2008-02-08, 06:53 PM | #5 |
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2008-02-08, 07:00 PM | #6 | |
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Where did you come up with the idea that I hold submitters in disdain? I hold crybabies in disdain.
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2008-02-08, 07:04 PM | #7 |
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2008-02-08, 07:09 PM | #8 | |
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I'd rather have what I've got, people who put together interesting sites, sometimes only 1 or 2 a week, who take the time to go through my pain in the ass submission system, which involves an email fer fucks sake Something the auto-submitters have yet to figure out. And I've been full time for over 10 years, so this ain't no hobby.
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2008-02-08, 07:23 PM | #9 | |
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I'm trying to have a serious discussion about the issue of auto-submitters and cheaters and how to combat them and all you guys can do is talk about crybabies and whiners. But if you want to sling shit go right ahead.. I'm in a piss poor mood anyway so should fit right in here... |
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2008-02-08, 07:30 PM | #10 |
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SheepGuy, IMHO you have the easiest, most user friendly system I know out of all the lists bar two. Neither is better, just the same - one uses the same method and the other PMs.
I started the thread in question. I repeat, the only time I get pissed off with the precautions are when I can't read the fucking things or I make a typo and correcting it takes ten minutes instead of a couple of keystrokes. Other than that, I understand the reasons and I'm quite happy to live with the ones that are constructed sensibly. Last edited by horney; 2008-02-08 at 07:33 PM.. |
2008-02-08, 07:35 PM | #11 | |
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I've only been doing adult full time for 6 years full time and at one point (before my downfall due to a woman), had the #1 big boobs site on the net (alhough shap and I would "disagree" about that sometimes)... I started out as a submitter and as such I treat the honest ones with respect because I remember how hard it was back then to build up the revenue and traffic. I actually go out of my way to try and make things "easy" for the honest ones... I value my "partners" in this business. |
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2008-02-08, 07:42 PM | #12 |
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Whooaa hang on there Viper. I agree that most of the measures being taken are misguided, but you're not talking to a roomful of geeks.
What you're saying is like saying M$ is a marketing company, not a software company. All the geeks will agree, but the non-geeks have got the marketing message. It's way, way too late. The fact is, since I posted that thread, all of the list owners who were making it hardest made a real effort to ease off, which perhaps suggests it's not all quite as introspective as you are telling yourself. Besides which, SheepGuy is sending me a reasonable amount of traffic. No, not the top level but at the top of the next tier, so he can't be doing it all wrong. |
2008-02-08, 07:51 PM | #13 |
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Why do people complain about freeeeeee traffic?
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2008-02-08, 07:56 PM | #14 | |
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So Greenie sends you about 70 times the traffic as I do, big deal, it means I'm doing better than I thought.
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2008-02-08, 07:57 PM | #15 | |
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2008-02-08, 07:58 PM | #16 |
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2008-02-08, 08:12 PM | #17 |
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Exactly.. and you had absolutely no cause to do that other than you don't want to hear the message, especially since you just reopened your sites for submission and now will have to deal with all of this again. What made you even think I was whining in the first place? I think I've clearly shown I have the skills to auto submit to every LL out there... So what's my purpose? As I said in the very first post, to educate.... I suspect you've turned your own frustration and anger towards auto submiters and cheaters on me... I've outlined in this thread and the other how everything you've done or are going to try and do is basically ineffective at stopping it.. So you'd rather shoot the messenger than try and have a discussion about how to work to make things better... You'd rather just carry on penalizing the honest hand submitters while accepting all the auto submitter sites.
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2008-02-08, 08:23 PM | #18 |
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Viper, I'm not a list owner. At this early stage in my involvement with this business, I have no idea whether I ever shall be. I also agree with some of the points you made about more proactive server side measures which can and should be taken against miscreants in order to make the lives of everybody here, in particular, easier.
However, I'm not convinced too may of these guys have enough server side access to be able to implement such measures, or the skills to do so if they had. Take just one expression you used. A very practical, effective measure if implemented with the relevant level of discretion: IP blocking. Ffs, how many of the guys here even understand the term. So let's take another: your inference that you could crack a random series of questions I find more questionable but I'll bet the guys here didn't. I'll bet their eyes just glazed over. So if you want to discuss and educate, I'd respectfully suggest you attempt an awful lot of educating first. |
2008-02-08, 08:34 PM | #19 | |
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I'm also "hopefull" that maybe some of the guys that write that software might stumble accross these threads and implement a bunch of these things all on their own. But then again, the LL side of things is so small compared to the TGP side that there might not be enough money it in for them to actually do it. Come to think of it.. Even with all the money and traffic on the TGP side I don't think there's any TGP software that deals with this stuff either... |
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2008-02-08, 08:49 PM | #20 |
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If everybody's eyes glaze over and they all stumble off to bed, not much of any kind of demanding or provisioning is likely to materialise.
IMHO, the question needs addressing from another direction. And hey, folks, that's my hundredth post! Shit, I'm talking too much! |
2008-02-08, 09:01 PM | #21 | |
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Now, are you trying to educate link list owners that there is a flaw in their captchas or educate submitters on how to defeat the captchas? |
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2008-02-08, 09:10 PM | #22 |
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I guess you don't do TGP's
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2008-02-08, 09:16 PM | #23 | |
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I agree with Licker4U's comments, especially the good will issue. I'm here for the long haul and building good relationships with link list owners is vital. What happens when those smaller link lists grow? I'd like to be able to say that I helped build up someone's business and they helped build mine.
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Is there some new way of doing this that that will make the link list owners' lives easier? Will it make my submitting a lot more fluid? You sound either really bitter about something or you sound like you have a product to push somewhere down the line. Man, spending an hour and a half breaking those codes, you could have built a decent freesite in that time! Oh, and I'm a full-time submitter, approaching 500 freesites in almost two years, very few declines, I have five children and I like Abba. Congrats on the big 100 horney! |
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2008-02-08, 09:30 PM | #24 | |
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Just get over it. If you're as experienced in this business as you say you are, you must know by now that there's actually some work involved. You can preach the benefits of autosubmitting 'til you're blue in the face, but I don't think you're gonna find many converts here.
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2008-02-08, 09:32 PM | #25 |
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I'd say the bottom line is the linklist owner's rules are THEIR rules...it's their linklist and it's the empire they made, some big and some not soo big. Don't submit to the not so big ones if you don't want to waste your time. I would think you're going to get blacklisted by promoting circumventing rules...then you'll have to change your forum name and start over...Maybe you should start a thread asking people how they make better use of their time and do their submissions? I agree with Toby...except I'd prefer whoppers over popcorn
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