AVNADS.COM and Adbrite: Fusker buddies

RawAlex · 2005-03-22, 01:07 PM

I was hoping that someone from AVN, avn online, avn.com teddy communications or whoever like aly or whoever might want to drop in and discuss this program. I would like to know if avn is involved in this project, and if so, why do they support and pay "webmasters" who use the hotlink model as the basis of thier business?

Avn, fusker, Philip Kaplan, fuckedcompany.com, adbrite.com... all sleeping in the same bed, I am starting to think.

Hello, AVN? Hello?

Alex

Torn Rose · 2005-03-22, 01:20 PM

Just got fuskerd last night for the second time, last time they removed us when I asked them in a few hours after I sent the email. It's been about a year since it happen, so the “black list” I was told my URL was going to be on must have expired.

So far no reply from last night.

My question is, if they have so much traffic that is burning the fuck out of my BW, why not join my affiliate site and make some $?

RawAlex · 2005-03-22, 01:27 PM

Because there isn't any money in it for them... Fusker's clients are mostly either total sponges (won't ever pay for porn), people without credit cards, or minors. In all of those cases, links to a program that needs them to pay is worthless.

Fusker is the sort of thing that makes TGP traffic look good.

Why AVNads would want to be involved in this is beyond me. I hope someone from AVN can pop over and explain it a little better - or explain that it isn't their program at all.

Alex

Verbal · 2005-03-22, 01:33 PM

I am also very curious about this relationsip between AVN and these Fusker thiefs. The "Your Ad Here" links on http://fusker.lewww.com/ all redirect to AVNads.com (same admin contact as AVNonline.com).

WTF is going on here??

Jim · 2005-03-22, 01:35 PM

And yet, there are still a lot of people that are going to put money in their pockets for the honor of sweating this summer in Florida.

Aly · 2005-03-22, 02:35 PM

Hey guys... AVNADs is a relatively new project where we're working in partnership with AdBrite. The people involved are still ironing out the kinks and allowing fusker.com in the network is, in my opinion, one of those kinks. I'm meeting with the publisher later today to sort this out. Please do email me aly@avn.com if you have other concerns with anything AVN is involved in. Thanks!

Aly · 2005-03-22, 02:37 PM

I have to run to a meeting... keep posting and I'll be back in a bit!

Barron · 2005-03-22, 02:44 PM

I must be the dumbest clod on the block. I still dont understand what is going on with this fusker thing.

Will someone explain what they are doing, how they are doing it and why I dont want to be "fuskered".

Greenguy · 2005-03-22, 02:57 PM

Hi Aly

Barron - if you don't have htaccess in place, fusker (and others) can basically load your images on their site, costing them nothing & you pay all the bandwidth.

Aly · 2005-03-22, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

Hi Aly

Barron - if you don't have htaccess in place, fusker (and others) can basically load your images on their site, costing them nothing & you pay all the bandwidth.

Hey Sweetheart!

Yes, Barron, what GreenGuy said... It's not good, and I certainly don't want to see anyone I'm involved with 'endorsing' this type of thing.

Useless · 2005-03-22, 04:37 PM

It truly saddens me to see a legitmate program get itself entangled with the likes of Fusker. Fusker is criminal. It is raw, unadulterated thievery. Those who host fuskers, advertise on fuskers, or simply ignore the impact that fuskers have on the common webmaster should have their little hairy assholes fuskered with an antique Kirby vacuum. You could strip paint with one of those babies.

Verbal · 2005-03-22, 04:45 PM

Perhaps someone from AVN can explain on tonight's radio show what is going on? It doesn't look good.

Jim · 2005-03-22, 04:45 PM

I am curious, when AVN penned the deal, did they not know about adbrite and fusker? And if they didn't, they really didn't do their homework. That is assuming that this practice is not condoned by AVN. To me, that is a huge assumption.

RawAlex · 2005-03-22, 04:59 PM

Aly, I trust that someone within AVN will not only look at the situation specific to fusker, but also look at the the way that adbrite has responded whent he subject of fusker and similar sites have come up:

Quote:

I asked them if sites like http://fusker.lewww.com/ were compliant with their terms because they are stealing bandwidth from other people who are ignorant about hotlinking. This was their reply:

"Thanks for writing and welcome to AdBrite! I appreciate your concern about http://fusker.lewww.com/ and other Fusker sites. These sites operate in full compliance with AdBrite’s Terms of Service and all US state and federal laws, but they can certainly be a nuisance to adult Web masters. If you’re concerned that any AdBrite publisher is driving up your hosting costs or otherwise interfering with your service, I’d be happy to help you prevent this. Please let me know if you are not already familiar with the steps you can take to keep your content from being hot-linked."

MY reply back to them:
"I know how to prevent hotlinking. The point is a lot of other people do not and it can cost them hundreds of dollars monthly. If you allow sites that are stealing from other people great, I'll set up a phishing site and put AdBrite banners all over it. Then maybe you can leave my banners up and just tell my victims "I can help you prevent phishing"."

(as posted by JenC in this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17640 )

it would seem that AVN's business partner in this deal doesn't have any problem making money from people willing to steal, which maked me wonder how long it will be before he finds some way to stiff AVN as well.

If they aren't honest on the surface, they aren't honest where you can't see them.

Alex

Aly · 2005-03-22, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

I am curious, when AVN penned the deal, did they not know about adbrite and fusker? And if they didn't, they really didn't do their homework. That is assuming that this practice is not condoned by AVN. To me, that is a huge assumption.

You're absolutely right... whoever penned this deal didn't do enough homework. I agree.

That said, implying that this sort of behaviour might be condoned by AVN is a little over-the-top, darling.

RawAlex · 2005-03-22, 05:55 PM

Aly, condoned and turning a blind eye are two shades of the same thing. AVN's partner in this project (Philip Kaplan, aka PUD) is well known for less than honest ways to grow his business and make money. His response to the issue as quoted above shows that he truly doesn't give a rat's ass about anything than making money.

I think it truly funny that some of the biggest AVN supporters are getting "fuskered" at this very minute... and AVN appears to be paying for it to happen.

Alex

Aly · 2005-03-22, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Aly, condoned and turning a blind eye are two shades of the same thing. AVN's partner in this project (Philip Kaplan, aka PUD) is well known for less than honest ways to grow his business and make money. His response to the issue as quoted above shows that he truly doesn't give a rat's ass about anything than making money.

I think it truly funny that some of the biggest AVN supporters are getting "fuskered" at this very minute... and AVN appears to be paying for it to happen.

Alex

I don't think anyone turned a blind eye; I just think they didn't know.

Yeah, it's really funny... I'm laughing my ass off.

RawAlex · 2005-03-22, 06:06 PM

Aly, never to give you a rough time, but the business partner (pud) was obviously VERY aware that this was happening, and had a nice little prepared piece of advice for people who have been fuskered. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he does business.

Alex

Aly · 2005-03-22, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Aly, never to give you a rough time, but the business partner (pud) was obviously VERY aware that this was happening, and had a nice little prepared piece of advice for people who have been fuskered. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he does business.

Alex

Indeed, it does.

Jim · 2005-03-22, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly

That said, implying that this sort of behaviour might be condoned by AVN is a little over-the-top, darling.

Is it???
AVN has shown that money is the only thing that counts when making business decisions time and time again. You are probably too young in this business to remember but, when AVN took over the shows, everyone was pissed. They just knew that the shows were going to become "only" about money. And I'll be damned if they didn't. Damn, Aly, it was a lot easier when you were with Python. Why the hell would you ever crawl into bed with these people? To me, you and AVN are like oil and water.

I guess AVN can prove me wrong by not doing business with the likes of Philip Kaplan. When do you suppose that announcement will be made?

Jim · 2005-03-22, 06:35 PM

oooops...one more thing. So far, AVN has condoned that behavior. Or did they end the partnership and I don't know about it.

Greenguy · 2005-03-22, 06:47 PM

Please note that I am not stirring up shit & that I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem

Jim · 2005-03-22, 07:08 PM

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Useless · 2005-03-22, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

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Jim · 2005-03-22, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem

I have no doubt that if Aly can do anything, she will. She is like that. And I have all the respect in the world for her. I am just afraid that the money is going to cloud other people's involved, judgment.

2005-03-22, 01:07 PM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	AVNADS.COM and Adbrite: Fusker buddies I was hoping that someone from AVN, avn online, avn.com teddy communications or whoever like aly or whoever might want to drop in and discuss this program. I would like to know if avn is involved in this project, and if so, why do they support and pay "webmasters" who use the hotlink model as the basis of thier business? Avn, fusker, Philip Kaplan, fuckedcompany.com, adbrite.com... all sleeping in the same bed, I am starting to think. Hello, AVN? Hello? Alex

2005-03-22, 01:33 PM	#4
Verbal Verbal prefers 56K Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 563	I am also very curious about this relationsip between AVN and these Fusker thiefs. The "Your Ad Here" links on http://fusker.lewww.com/ all redirect to AVNads.com (same admin contact as AVNonline.com). WTF is going on here?? __________________ Verbal

2005-03-22, 02:57 PM	#9
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,786	Hi Aly Barron - if you don't have htaccess in place, fusker (and others) can basically load your images on their site, costing them nothing & you pay all the bandwidth. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-03-22, 04:37 PM	#11
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	It truly saddens me to see a legitmate program get itself entangled with the likes of Fusker. Fusker is criminal. It is raw, unadulterated thievery. Those who host fuskers, advertise on fuskers, or simply ignore the impact that fuskers have on the common webmaster should have their little hairy assholes fuskered with an antique Kirby vacuum. You could strip paint with one of those babies. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-03-22, 04:45 PM	#12
Verbal Verbal prefers 56K Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 563	Perhaps someone from AVN can explain on tonight's radio show what is going on? It doesn't look good. __________________ Verbal

2005-03-22, 01:20 PM	#2
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Just got fuskerd last night for the second time, last time they removed us when I asked them in a few hours after I sent the email. It's been about a year since it happen, so the “black list” I was told my URL was going to be on must have expired. So far no reply from last night. My question is, if they have so much traffic that is burning the fuck out of my BW, why not join my affiliate site and make some $?

2005-03-22, 01:27 PM	#3
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Because there isn't any money in it for them... Fusker's clients are mostly either total sponges (won't ever pay for porn), people without credit cards, or minors. In all of those cases, links to a program that needs them to pay is worthless. Fusker is the sort of thing that makes TGP traffic look good. Why AVNads would want to be involved in this is beyond me. I hope someone from AVN can pop over and explain it a little better - or explain that it isn't their program at all. Alex

2005-03-22, 01:35 PM	#5
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	And yet, there are still a lot of people that are going to put money in their pockets for the honor of sweating this summer in Florida.

2005-03-22, 02:35 PM	#6
Aly Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: West Hollywood Posts: 20	Hey guys... AVNADs is a relatively new project where we're working in partnership with AdBrite. The people involved are still ironing out the kinks and allowing fusker.com in the network is, in my opinion, one of those kinks. I'm meeting with the publisher later today to sort this out. Please do email me aly@avn.com if you have other concerns with anything AVN is involved in. Thanks!

2005-03-22, 02:37 PM	#7
Aly Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: West Hollywood Posts: 20	I have to run to a meeting... keep posting and I'll be back in a bit!

2005-03-22, 02:44 PM	#8
Barron You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try' Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 166	I must be the dumbest clod on the block. I still dont understand what is going on with this fusker thing. Will someone explain what they are doing, how they are doing it and why I dont want to be "fuskered".

2005-03-22, 05:55 PM	#16
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Aly, condoned and turning a blind eye are two shades of the same thing. AVN's partner in this project (Philip Kaplan, aka PUD) is well known for less than honest ways to grow his business and make money. His response to the issue as quoted above shows that he truly doesn't give a rat's ass about anything than making money. I think it truly funny that some of the biggest AVN supporters are getting "fuskered" at this very minute... and AVN appears to be paying for it to happen. Alex

2005-03-22, 06:06 PM	#18
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Aly, never to give you a rough time, but the business partner (pud) was obviously VERY aware that this was happening, and had a nice little prepared piece of advice for people who have been fuskered. That should tell you everything you need to know about how he does business. Alex

2005-03-22, 06:35 PM	#21
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	oooops...one more thing. So far, AVN has condoned that behavior. Or did they end the partnership and I don't know about it.

2005-03-22, 06:47 PM	#22
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,786	Please note that I am not stirring up shit & that I have all the confidence in the world that Aly will rectify this problem __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-03-22, 07:08 PM	#23
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Pussy