Why do guys jerkoff so much? turns out there is good scientific reason

[Bill]

So, all those fucking christians who are against jerking off turn out to be TOTALLY WRONG once again.

Guys need to masturbate to get rid of older sperm, and girls prefer the sperm of men who masturbate, so much so that a girls body rejects older sperm and squirts it out, while sucking in the fresher sperm from the guy who jerked off before banging her.

So, if you want to breed, jerk off. If you want the girl to reject your sperm, dont jerk off. Case fucking closed.

One more reason why jerking off is important and healthy, and NOT jerking off is sick sick fucking sick and in direct opposition to the christian goal of breeding more tithe-paying christians.

And we pornslingers are like freekin doctors lol!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...l-a-2010-06-22

masturbation is an evolved strategy for shedding old sperm while making room for new, fitter sperm. It’s quality over quantity. Here are the adaptive logistics.

The advantage to the male could be that the younger sperm are more acceptable to the female and/or are better able to reach a secure position in the female tract. Moreover, once retained in the female tract, younger sperm could be more fertile in the absence of sperm competition [sexually monogamous relationships] and/or more competitive in the presence of sperm competition [in which the woman is having sex with other men]. Finally, if younger sperm live longer in the female tract, any enhanced fertility and competitiveness would also last longer.

Unconvinced? Well, Baker and Bellis are clever empiricists. They also apparently have stomachs of steel. One way that they tested their hypotheses was to ask over 30 brave heterosexual couples to provide them with some rather concrete samples of their sex lives: the vaginal “flowbacks” from their post-coital couplings, in which some portion of the male’s ejaculate is spontaneously rejected by the woman’s body.

The flowback emerges 5-120 min after copulation as a relatively discrete event over a period of 1-2 min in the form of three to eight white globules. With practice, females can recognize the sensation of the beginning of flowback and can collect the material by squatting over a 250 ml glass beaker. [And here comes a useful tip, ladies…] Once the flowback is nearly ready to emerge, it can be hastened by, for example, coughing.

As the authors predicted, the number of sperm in the girlfriends’ flowbacks increased significantly the longer it had been since the boyfriend’s last masturbation -- even after the researchers controlled for the relative volume of seminal fluid emission as a function of time since last ejaculation (the longer it had been, the more ejaculate was present). If only the parents of teenage boys had these findings available for the first hundred thousand years of our history, think of all the anxiety, guilt and shame that might never have been.

In fact, even the father of adolescent psychology research, G. Stanley Hall, had a particularly nasty thorn in his paw when it came to the subject of masturbation. Hall accepted that spontaneous nocturnal emissions (i.e., “wet dreams”) in adolescent boys were “natural,” but he viewed masturbation as a “scourge of the human race … destructive of that perhaps most important thing in the world, the potency of good heredity.” In Hall’s view, the offspring of teenage masturbators would show signs of “persistent infantalism or overripeness.” Boys will be boys, Stanley, and how wrong you were.

[MadMax]

Dr. Max, at your cervix. I'm dilated to meet you.

[Useless]

Along somewhat similar lines, here's an article I read yesterday about why we want sex, and why we want it with more than one mate. It's for the good of the species!

http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain

The central neurochemical player behind falling in—and out—of love is dopamine. Dopamine is the principal neurochemical that activates your reward circuitry. Your reward circuitry drives nearly all of your behaviors. In other words, most all roads lead to Rome, or to the reward circuitry so you can assess things as "good, bad, or indifferent."

At its most basic, this circuit is activated when you engage in activities that further your survival, or the continuation of your genes. Whether it’s sex, eating, taking risks, achieving goals, or drinking water, all increase dopamine, and dopamine turns on your reward circuitry. You can think of dopamine as the "I’ve got to have it" neurochemical, whatever "it" is. It’s the "craving" signal.

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Researchers placed electrodes in rats’ reward centers to stimulate them, much as dopamine does. The rats could then press a lever to stimulate the reward center. That’s all those rats did. rat pushing leverThey ignored food, receptive females and their own pups, if female. They just sat there pressing the lever over and over, wasting away…not unlike crack addicts.

Also:

Addiction mechanisms are complex. Yet the one aspect they share is dopamine. All addictive substances and activities increase dopamine. Porn, accumulating money, gaining power over others, gambling, compulsive shopping, video games…if something really boosts your dopamine, then it’s potentially addictive for you. Why did Martha Stewart risk everything for more money? She got a thrill from a stock market gamble. She didn’t need the money; she needed the dopamine.

[MadMax]

I've been making these arguments for years UW, it's nice to see some 'respectable' people agreeing with me

[Trixie]

Yeah, but the conservative Christians (and other religious fanatics who think that way) are right about one thing: keeping sex stuff taboo makes it SO much hotter (and leads to a bigger rush, like UW mentioned regarding dopamine). The more wrong they think it is, the better and more intense it feels.

[secretagentwilly]

dang...no masturbation could be a form of birth control???????? Fuck that...I'll stick with condoms...

[thewiz]

The only true reason is because we are horny little fuckers and when the females don't want to put out we jackoff and thats the only reason! Plain and simple!

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by thewiz

The only true reason is because we are horny little fuckers and when the females don't want to put out we jackoff and thats the only reason! Plain and simple!

You are confusing the "symptom" with the "disease".
Being horny is what makes us want to fuck and/or masturbate, but it is only an in between stage. What this thread is about is what makes us horny in the first place.

[saucygirl]

Religious or not guys will always find a way to get off.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by saucygirl

Religious or not guys will always find a way to get off.

Oh there are plenty of men who remain celibate and also never masturbate for religious reasons. You can always tell the guys who have been like that for a year or two. They are the ones at the top of the multi story car park with a sniper rifle in their hands.

[RedCherry]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Oh there are plenty of men who remain celibate and also never masturbate for religious reasons. You can always tell the guys who have been like that for a year or two. They are the ones at the top of the multi story car park with a sniper rifle in their hands.

I know a guy like this, who is 55 and is still a virgin. My brother thinks its because he is deeply religious, and is gay, (him and my brother had a brief make out session in high school that horrified the guy) and since that is something he won't accept, he has never had sex, and never masturbated. He must have cobwebs inside there by now instead of sperm.

[Agent]

It makes sense. Religious zealots don't want healthy men with healthy sperm hanging around. It means competition. They don't want you fucking unless you're already entangled in a marriage, lest you fuck their wives.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Agent

It makes sense. Religious zealots don't want healthy men with healthy sperm hanging around. It means competition. They don't want you fucking unless you're already entangled in a marriage, lest you fuck their wives.

You are over thinking it. Somewhere in the Bible it says that sperm should only be used for reproduction, so they believe it and decide that masturbation is wrong. No one is thinking about competition for wives. Don't forget, the Bible says some pretty stupid things and those people who believe everything in the Bible is accurate have to be below average intelligence. They are simply not up to the Machiavellian thinking you suggest.

(Before anyone gets the impression I am saying all Christians are thickos, I'm not, I am just saying that those who believe that everything in the Bible is an accurate representation of God's words are thick. And before you argue that - if everything in the Bible is true, then all Christians are going to Hell, because if you commit murder and never repent the Bible says you will go to Hell, but it also lays out conditions where you MUST commit murder, without any repentance, and if you don't "you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven".)

[Agent]

Originally Posted by ecchi

You are over thinking it. Somewhere in the Bible it says that sperm should only be used for reproduction, so they believe it and decide that masturbation is wrong. No one is thinking about competition for wives. Don't forget, the Bible says some pretty stupid things and those people who believe everything in the Bible is accurate have to be below average intelligence. They are simply not up to the Machiavellian thinking you suggest.

(Before anyone gets the impression I am saying all Christians are thickos, I'm not, I am just saying that those who believe that everything in the Bible is an accurate representation of God's words are thick. And before you argue that - if everything in the Bible is true, then all Christians are going to Hell, because if you commit murder and never repent the Bible says you will go to Hell, but it also lays out conditions where you MUST commit murder, without any repentance, and if you don't "you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven".)

I've always believed the Bible is the product of that carnal, primitive thinking. The kind of primitive thinking that would give one man domain over another -- like one dog fucking another in the ass. It just legitimizes it in their eyes, like a legal document.

[Agent]

I don't think there is anything Machiavellian about it. I think its more gut reaction and primitive and it manifests itself that way. There are things we do everyday that we can't easily explain, we're just hardwired that way. I read somewhere women typically don't like other women who are promiscuous because they fear the promiscuous women will attract their mates away from them. So next time you hear one woman call another a "slut", it may be a reaction to insecurity or fear of losing her mate. I'm thinking more along those lines in regards to the original topic: that men don't want other healthy males around their mates unless they fully trust them.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Agent

I've always believed the Bible is the product of that carnal, primitive thinking. The kind of primitive thinking that would give one man domain over another -- like one dog fucking another in the ass. It just legitimizes it in their eyes, like a legal document.

The original idea of religion may be the "product of that carnal, primitive thinking" but that is just the initial thought. The actual writing of the Bible took a longer, planned approach. And if it was done for the reasons you suggested in your first post, it took a lot of Machiavellian thinking.

Originally Posted by Agent

I don't think there is anything Machiavellian about it. I think its more gut reaction and primitive and it manifests itself that way. There are things we do everyday that we can't easily explain, we're just hardwired that way.

Wanting women for yourself is "more gut reaction and primitive", doing something instantly (like hitting someone you think is paying too much attention to your wife) is "more gut reaction and primitive" but sitting down and writing a book to ensure you "get the women" takes planning, forethought and is about as far from "more gut reaction and primitive" as you can get. Think about the idea of "a crime of passion" Vs a "premeditated crime". Sitting down and writing a book of the Bible is most defiantly "premeditated", not something you did instinctively.

To use your own example, writing a book of the Bible is not like a dog fucking a bitch, it is like a dog spending it's entire life planning to fuck one particular bitch, tricking it's owner into always taking their walks past her home, spreading rumours in the dog world that she has a venereal disease, getting friendly with her parents, etc, etc. Not "instinctive", but some "serious planning"

Originally Posted by Agent

I read somewhere women typically don't like other women who are promiscuous because they fear the promiscuous women will attract their mates away from them. So next time you hear one woman call another a "slut", it may be a reaction to insecurity or fear of losing her mate. I'm thinking more along those lines in regards to the original topic: that men don't want other healthy males around their mates unless they fully trust them.

Yes, not liking promiscuous women and calling them sluts is instinctive, but if a woman spent years writing a book to keep promiscuous women away that would not be instinctive, it would be planned Machiavellian thinking.

[Agent]

Originally Posted by ecchi

The original idea of religion may be the "product of that carnal, primitive thinking" but that is just the initial thought. The actual writing of the Bible took a longer, planned approach. And if it was done for the reasons you suggested in your first post, it took a lot of Machiavellian thinking.


Wanting women for yourself is "more gut reaction and primitive", doing something instantly (like hitting someone you think is paying too much attention to your wife) is "more gut reaction and primitive" but sitting down and writing a book to ensure you "get the women" takes planning, forethought and is about as far from "more gut reaction and primitive" as you can get. Think about the idea of "a crime of passion" Vs a "premeditated crime". Sitting down and writing a book of the Bible is most defiantly "premeditated", not something you did instinctively.

To use your own example, writing a book of the Bible is not like a dog fucking a bitch, it is like a dog spending it's entire life planning to fuck one particular bitch, tricking it's owner into always taking their walks past her home, spreading rumours in the dog world that she has a venereal disease, getting friendly with her parents, etc, etc. Not "instinctive", but some "serious planning"


Yes, not liking promiscuous women and calling them sluts is instinctive, but if a woman spent years writing a book to keep promiscuous women away that would not be instinctive, it would be planned Machiavellian thinking.

What I'm saying is this, put another way: For one Bible thumper to use the Bible to seek domain over another person is not Machiavellian; They have those primitive impulses to control people around them anyway (and I think the psychology behind it has to do with sex and protecting the family). It's just convenient for them to use God's "divine providence" to satisfy their primitive whims (like keeping things people enjoy banned). As far as the creation of the Bible, I don't know its creator(s) intentions. Machiavellian or not, it's a projection of something more base and primitive. The fact that it's laced with misogyny is enough to convince me of that.

I re-read our posts, and I'm not sure if we're in complete disagreement. We certainly agree on this I think: Man uses religion to seek domain over his fellow man. The reason behind it is where we may disagree.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Agent

For one Bible thumper .....They have those primitive impulses to control people around them anyway

I agree with this, it was your argument that they were thinking about "keeping women for themselves" that I disagreed with (and that is also what I was calling Machiavellian), I simply don't agree that there is that level of thought in it. 99% of people who use the Bible to attempt to oppress others either do it because they genuinely believe that it is their religious duty or because they enjoy bossing people around.

Perhaps I should bring up my "qualifications" in subject. I was brought up as a Christian, went to a catholic school, and for the first thirty odd years of my life spent a lot of time amongst this sort of person. Hell, for a few years in my younger days, I probably was one of these people. And I can assure you that the majority do not have the smarts to think "hey, I don't want other people fucking my wife, I'll use this as a way to keep them from doing so". And I'd also guess that anyone who is smart enough to think like this will be smart enough to realise that it ain't going to work!

[davion]

Great information. Now we are enlightened why masturbation is good. LOL.

[gmr324]

Does this mean that coughing can be used as a crude form of birth control? Who knew?
I also never realized that sperm could get stale.

[adultebusiness]

I've learned that the older men get, the more defective their sperm becomes. So, as the female's egg cells continue to deplete on the road to menopause, male sperms are not of "high' quality anymore. End result: Harder conception, or conception with the baby having some birth defects. Such is life. Such is biology.
Thanks. My 10 cents.