Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links

Greenguy · 2007-12-21, 12:18 PM

Is it just me, or should the name of the Link List be in the text of the recip link? I'll admit that when Kit changed the recip rules for Penisbot is when I started looking at this a little closer (and PenisBot is not the only one doing this)

Amateur Porn
Porn

If this was on a main or gallery page I think most of us would decline the site for blind links.

I really do think that something like this would be a lot better:

Amateur Porn
By PenisBot's Porn Links

Am I alone in this thinking?

Preacher · 2007-12-21, 12:37 PM

sigh

I've been waiting for this to be discussed. Penisbot did bring it to light, but over the years I've had a handful of LL's requesting the same thing.

IMO, is it blind...by MadMax's definition...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it.

Jizz Gulping Whore

I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind.

I thought about putting an unlinked "Penisbot" before the linked word "Porn", but I'm not so sure Kit want's searches for "Penisbot" resulting in my freesites.

That's all I've got on the subject but would love to hear from others.

HC-Majick · 2007-12-21, 12:55 PM

Yep, I think it's blind as well...In the context of the recip table, whether I say "listed at these other sites as well" or not, I think the name of the site should be there.
What sense does it make to provide a recip image for "site branding" or else a text link for a generic term only and no site name mentioned at all?

As I posted, I was rejected for not using it, and I did adjust my recip to unlink Penisbot just like Preacher mentioned above. I haven't heard whether the revised recip was accepted or not.

Greenguy · 2007-12-21, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Preacher

...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it.

Jizz Gulping Whore

I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind...

While I see what you're saying, I can also tell that it's a 4x4 recip table with recips to 16 Link Lists. I can tell you the name of 14 of them by sight alone - Debauchery & PenisBot are blind IMHO.

We're not talking about a word linked in a sentence. This is a blind link:
here
This isn't:
If you'd like to see Greenguy's website, please click here

Useless · 2007-12-21, 01:52 PM

Let me throw this out there first:

OK, now that I've done that, everyone knows that I've never agreed with my buddy MadMax's ideas of what a blind link is or isn't. He made a ton of new reviewers into absolute blind link nazis.

As to Kit's new recip, I don't think that it is at all blind. If the surfer clicks on the word porn and gets a link list, I just don't see what is blind about that. It's not as if they're expecting to get Wal-Mart's website. They are getting porn.

The fact that the recips for WhoringWives said FREE PORNO for a long, long time has nothing to do with my opinion.

I love being the dissenting opinion.

Cleo · 2007-12-21, 02:07 PM

I've been thinking of changing my recips to

ENTER HERE FOR PORN
Cleo's Links

Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use.

Maj. Stress · 2007-12-21, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Let me throw this out there first:

OK, now that I've done that, everyone knows that I've never agreed with my buddy MadMax's ideas of what a blind link is or isn't. He made a ton of new reviewers into absolute blind link nazis.

As to Kit's new recip, I don't think that it is at all blind. If the surfer clicks on the word porn and gets a link list, I just don't see what is blind about that. It's not as if they're expecting to get Wal-Mart's website. They are getting porn.

The fact that the recips for WhoringWives said FREE PORNO for a long, long time has nothing to do with my opinion.

I love being the dissenting opinion.

I agree with UW. I think "blind links" are way over analyzed. Using the PB example that "porn" is a blind link also makes most "exit" links on a free site blind also.

ponygirl · 2007-12-21, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo

Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use.

that's what I think too. There's a lot of blind recip links out there, but as long as they were in a clearly defined recip grouping I never worried about it.

KG Gary · 2007-12-21, 03:16 PM

Having no name in there means it's a blind link in the "normal" freesite blind link way, but as others have said already in the context of a clear and marked recip table I think it should be okay.

However, now that it's come up as a discussion point here, what will end up in those recips if they are allowed to be a bit more blind than other freesite links?
Will we see recip tables gradually filling up with Click Here's?

Lemmy · 2007-12-21, 03:29 PM

Technically it's blind, but in a recip table I don't have a problem with it. In an attempt to satisfy all parties I added an unlinked "Penisbot" in front of "Porn" on my latest freesite.

sue-fl · 2007-12-21, 05:07 PM

I don't consider it a blind link.

KG Gary has a good point about recip tables getting out of hand with a bunch of click here though. That would really be tacky.

I do the same as Lemmy by adding Penis Bot unlinked in the recip so not to break any rules.

SheepGuy · 2007-12-21, 07:00 PM

I'm slacker than most regarding blind links, and would feel very little guilt if a surfer was somehow fooled into clicking a link that just said "Porn" and ended up at a porn link list. If they ended up at a mortgage brokers, well, that would be different.

MrMaryLou · 2007-12-21, 08:03 PM

I think its blind as well and also why would they not want to use their name branding anyway?

dareutwo · 2007-12-21, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KG Gary

Having no name in there means it's a blind link in the "normal" freesite blind link way, but as others have said already in the context of a clear and marked recip table I think it should be okay.

However, now that it's come up as a discussion point here, what will end up in those recips if they are allowed to be a bit more blind than other freesite links?
Will we see recip tables gradually filling up with Click Here's?

I agree with this - but I'd like to know the other side reasoning.

plateman · 2007-12-21, 08:40 PM

in a recip table that is not blind imo

you can talk about other peoples LL recips all day long about being blind, distracting the surfers attention to there recip by using scrolling text, images of hardcore sex and so on and so on

dareutwo · 2007-12-21, 09:00 PM

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

LowryBigwood · 2007-12-21, 09:59 PM

I agree... I think it is a blind link, but I too am guilty of using recips with text and no LL name. But from someone trying to get the most benefit seo wise, I understand why they would use amateur porn over Mysite.com's amateur porn.

However, on the other side of the fence.... I don't believe it would effect them that much to add the LL name before/after the chosen kws.

MrMaryLou · 2007-12-21, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dareutwo

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

Great example

SheepGuy · 2007-12-21, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dareutwo

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

If the herd goes that way I'll go the other way

I don't see the sense in not having your LL's name as part of your recip, and I think not having it would likely result in less hits, but if someone wants their recip that way I'm cool with it. People will always prefer brand names over generic no-names.

ponygirl · 2007-12-21, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dareutwo

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

blind links or not, it sure does look ridiculous. My recip doesn't have my LL name in it, but it's not generic, and I don't really care if someone wants to change it. I really wish it wasn't such a big deal because it really puts us submitters in a tough spot.

HarryM · 2007-12-21, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

If the herd goes that way I'll go the other way

I don't see the sense in not having your LL's name as part of your recip, and I think not having it would likely result in less hits, but if someone wants their recip that way I'm cool with it. People will always prefer brand names over generic no-names.

I'm guessing google is the only reason for the change as penisbot is usually on the 1st page for the keyword "porn" and they dropped off page one before the recip change.

Having that kind of result would be better than name branding on a free site imo. I'd rather have the 1st result for porn in google than name branding on a free site recip table that people are only going to skip over.

Regardless, I'd accept it, it's pretty obvious when it's in a recip table along with other sites plus you can always see penisbot.com in the status bar. The only recips I can't stand are the huge glaring tables with fugly scrolling text. They belong in last decade's trash bin along with blinking text and the like.

SheepGuy · 2007-12-22, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryMuff

I'm guessing google is the only reason for the change as penisbot is usually on the 1st page for the keyword "porn" and they dropped off page one before the recip change.

That would make sense.

JustRobert · 2007-12-22, 01:34 AM

I did not vote for I am on the fence whether or not in a recip table it is blind or not. 60/40 it is.

I know I do not like the way it looks and dareutwo's example is perfect for showing how foolish it would look. Then again, if the surfer is willing to click on something like that, so be it.

I personally add in the name of the site to make sure I get listed at as many places as possible. So like Lemmy, Penisbot is unlinked in front of Porn.

Jel · 2007-12-22, 03:05 AM

I voted no, for the reason that indeed you get taken to a site filled with porn. Mark's good example of what a recip area could look like if every LL owner went that route isn't going to happen, because most LL owners do want that branding, and any surfer seeing that block of recips using those anchors is in no way (imo) going to take any notice of it whatsoever, skipping right over it. That's obviously just my opinion though.

I've felt we mollycoddle surfers a little regarding blind links for a while now - surfers are much more savvy now generally speaking, and don't need as much hand-holding as before, again just imo. It's pretty easy to get around not using blind links by preceding the anchor 'click here' (or suffixing (?) the anchor) with 'for members area/tour/paysite name/etc', or using a banner, and when used in a clearly visible recip area, with 'this site listed at (these LLs/linklists/resources/etc)' I think it doesn't really mislead the surfer, or even entice a clickthru. Just as an example http://www.lesbianpornnews.com/hfs/i...bian-gangbang/ as you say GG, both debauchery & penisbot's recips are technically blind, but in that context I personally think it makes little to zero difference to the surfer, and whether he/she chooses any of those recips to click on than another.

Interesting thread

kit · 2007-12-22, 05:34 AM

I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama:

Example taken from this free site (#1 in our todays listing): http://www.naughtyplace.com/deepthroat-movies/

Greenguy's XXX Links
Oral Sex Movies - do you have oral sex movies on this page? I didn't find any movies, only link to the sites. This is a clear blindlink.

http://www.noviceslut.com/fs/mountai...ing/index.html (#4 in our todays listing)
Amateur Movies - where is amateur movies on this page?
Greenguy's Free Porn

There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis:
http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/
http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-c...ker/index.html
http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/

Again, I don't see the big difference between PenisBot Porn and Porn, but I can tell you guys what happens with Google algos last months: According my digging, they have focused on the exact keyword using.

Before, the PenisBot Porn Links, PenisBot Porn was OK for achieving good positions by keyword "Porn". Now exact inclusion "Porn" in the link much weighty for the good rankings battle.

View Poll Results: Are Recips W/Out The LL's Name In The Text Considered Blind Links?
Yes - That's A Blind Link	30	29.41%
No - That's Not A Blind Link	72	70.59%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

2007-12-21, 12:37 PM	#2
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	sigh I've been waiting for this to be discussed. Penisbot did bring it to light, but over the years I've had a handful of LL's requesting the same thing. IMO, is it blind...by MadMax's definition...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it. Jizz Gulping Whore I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind. I thought about putting an unlinked "Penisbot" before the linked word "Porn", but I'm not so sure Kit want's searches for "Penisbot" resulting in my freesites. That's all I've got on the subject but would love to hear from others. __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2007-12-21, 12:55 PM	#3
HC-Majick You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 541	Yep, I think it's blind as well...In the context of the recip table, whether I say "listed at these other sites as well" or not, I think the name of the site should be there. What sense does it make to provide a recip image for "site branding" or else a text link for a generic term only and no site name mentioned at all? As I posted, I was rejected for not using it, and I did adjust my recip to unlink Penisbot just like Preacher mentioned above. I haven't heard whether the revised recip was accepted or not. __________________ Submit Your Freesites:

2007-12-21, 01:52 PM	#5
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Let me throw this out there first: OK, now that I've done that, everyone knows that I've never agreed with my buddy MadMax's ideas of what a blind link is or isn't. He made a ton of new reviewers into absolute blind link nazis. As to Kit's new recip, I don't think that it is at all blind. If the surfer clicks on the word porn and gets a link list, I just don't see what is blind about that. It's not as if they're expecting to get Wal-Mart's website. They are getting porn. The fact that the recips for WhoringWives said FREE PORNO for a long, long time has nothing to do with my opinion. I love being the dissenting opinion. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling. Last edited by Useless; 2007-12-21 at 01:57 PM..

2007-12-21, 02:07 PM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I've been thinking of changing my recips to ENTER HERE FOR PORN Cleo's Links Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2007-12-21, 12:18 PM	#1
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,766	Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links Is it just me, or should the name of the Link List be in the text of the recip link? I'll admit that when Kit changed the recip rules for Penisbot is when I started looking at this a little closer (and PenisBot is not the only one doing this) Amateur Porn Porn If this was on a main or gallery page I think most of us would decline the site for blind links. I really do think that something like this would be a lot better: Amateur Porn By PenisBot's Porn Links Am I alone in this thinking? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-12-21, 03:16 PM	#9
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	Having no name in there means it's a blind link in the "normal" freesite blind link way, but as others have said already in the context of a clear and marked recip table I think it should be okay. However, now that it's come up as a discussion point here, what will end up in those recips if they are allowed to be a bit more blind than other freesite links? Will we see recip tables gradually filling up with Click Here's? __________________ Sponsors that used to convert with freesites Over 700 clean freesites

2007-12-21, 03:29 PM	#10
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Technically it's blind, but in a recip table I don't have a problem with it. In an attempt to satisfy all parties I added an unlinked "Penisbot" in front of "Porn" on my latest freesite. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2007-12-21, 05:07 PM	#11
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	I don't consider it a blind link. KG Gary has a good point about recip tables getting out of hand with a bunch of click here though. That would really be tacky. I do the same as Lemmy by adding Penis Bot unlinked in the recip so not to break any rules.

2007-12-21, 07:00 PM	#12
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	I'm slacker than most regarding blind links, and would feel very little guilt if a surfer was somehow fooled into clicking a link that just said "Porn" and ended up at a porn link list. If they ended up at a mortgage brokers, well, that would be different. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-12-21, 08:03 PM	#13
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	I think its blind as well and also why would they not want to use their name branding anyway? __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2007-12-21, 08:40 PM	#15
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	in a recip table that is not blind imo you can talk about other peoples LL recips all day long about being blind, distracting the surfers attention to there recip by using scrolling text, images of hardcore sex and so on and so on __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2007-12-21, 09:00 PM	#16
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	So there's not One blind link on this page??!! If we all changed (obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page) __________________ This is me Mark's-Links Last edited by dareutwo; 2007-12-21 at 09:06 PM..

2007-12-21, 09:59 PM	#17
LowryBigwood Don't get discouraged; it's usually the last key that opens the lock... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,203	I agree... I think it is a blind link, but I too am guilty of using recips with text and no LL name. But from someone trying to get the most benefit seo wise, I understand why they would use amateur porn over Mysite.com's amateur porn. However, on the other side of the fence.... I don't believe it would effect them that much to add the LL name before/after the chosen kws. __________________ Free Porn Buddy \| Porn Buddy Blog

2007-12-22, 01:34 AM	#23
JustRobert Bow Ties Are Cool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Posts: 9,382	I did not vote for I am on the fence whether or not in a recip table it is blind or not. 60/40 it is. I know I do not like the way it looks and dareutwo's example is perfect for showing how foolish it would look. Then again, if the surfer is willing to click on something like that, so be it. I personally add in the name of the site to make sure I get listed at as many places as possible. So like Lemmy, Penisbot is unlinked in front of Porn. __________________ Submit Your Galleries To The Porn Luv Network!

2007-12-22, 03:05 AM	#24
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	I voted no, for the reason that indeed you get taken to a site filled with porn. Mark's good example of what a recip area could look like if every LL owner went that route isn't going to happen, because most LL owners do want that branding, and any surfer seeing that block of recips using those anchors is in no way (imo) going to take any notice of it whatsoever, skipping right over it. That's obviously just my opinion though. I've felt we mollycoddle surfers a little regarding blind links for a while now - surfers are much more savvy now generally speaking, and don't need as much hand-holding as before, again just imo. It's pretty easy to get around not using blind links by preceding the anchor 'click here' (or suffixing (?) the anchor) with 'for members area/tour/paysite name/etc', or using a banner, and when used in a clearly visible recip area, with 'this site listed at (these LLs/linklists/resources/etc)' I think it doesn't really mislead the surfer, or even entice a clickthru. Just as an example http://www.lesbianpornnews.com/hfs/i...bian-gangbang/ as you say GG, both debauchery & penisbot's recips are technically blind, but in that context I personally think it makes little to zero difference to the surfer, and whether he/she chooses any of those recips to click on than another. Interesting thread

2007-12-22, 05:34 AM	#25
kit Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 494	I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama: Example taken from this free site (#1 in our todays listing): http://www.naughtyplace.com/deepthroat-movies/ Greenguy's XXX Links Oral Sex Movies - do you have oral sex movies on this page? I didn't find any movies, only link to the sites. This is a clear blindlink. http://www.noviceslut.com/fs/mountai...ing/index.html (#4 in our todays listing) Amateur Movies - where is amateur movies on this page? Greenguy's Free Porn There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis: http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/ http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-c...ker/index.html http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/ Again, I don't see the big difference between PenisBot Porn and Porn, but I can tell you guys what happens with Google algos last months: According my digging, they have focused on the exact keyword using. Before, the PenisBot Porn Links, PenisBot Porn was OK for achieving good positions by keyword "Porn". Now exact inclusion "Porn" in the link much weighty for the good rankings battle. __________________ PornInspector.com Last edited by kit; 2007-12-22 at 06:28 AM..