New free site format (version 1.5)

[Mateusz]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'd also like to go on record & state that I like "Hairless Chest Mateusz" much better

I almost felt off the chair LOL

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think you're all fucked in the head. We're ten hours from the fucking fun park and you want to bail out....

Ummm....aaahhhhh....well, you see, I thought that everyone knew that line was said by Clark Griswod (played by Chevy Chase) near the end of the 1st Vacation movie. My Bad

[amadman]

I'll also admit that part of my problem is ego driven - my mind keeps yelling to me "Who the fuck do they think they are changing how Link Lists & Free Sites work without consulting you?"

It is cool that you realized this and acknowledged it.

I am sure most people realized that something was getting to you other than just the ideas themselves.

The mind is a crazy thing.|shocking|

[ArtWilliams]

2 Questions:

1. How do the proposed changes make it more friendly to Google?
2. Doesn't the fact the the surfer must click three times to find the porn increase the webmaster's chance of a sale?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Originally Posted by kit

Free sites is a bad quality site in therms of Google because:
1) They never updates.
2) Text content duplicates many times and equal texts of hundreds other free sites.
3) They don't have new incoming links after initial listing in Link Sites.

Free site is a bad quality site in therms of Surfers because:
1) They have bad usability: surfer must click 3 times to see the gallery (warning page -> main page -> gallery).
2) They have small content amount (2-3 galleries)

[kit]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

2 Questions:

1. How do the proposed changes make it more friendly to Google?
2. Doesn't the fact the the surfer must click three times to find the porn increase the webmaster's chance of a sale?

Inquiring minds want to know!

1) I hope, there is less FS mirrors will burn. There is no reason to link to 40 links sites and make at least less mirrors. 1.5 format is more classic 1.0 format than future 2.0 format, but I don't ready to discuss the 2.0 FS conception. GG will ban me. ;-)

2. Very good question. In fact yes, longer session is cause of more sales. (we actually force surfer click to the couple links before content.) Another thing is a usability ballance. Today classic FS is abolutely worse for 99% surfers and they go to the TGP and than to the Tubes. 5 years ago, classic FS was like a small piece of gold, 10 years ago it was like a diamond. 15 years ago one porn page built in the totally dark garage (PK, LOR, etc.) made their owners rich.
Time changes and nowaday surfers drop us and go to the much more usable sites. Lets simplify FS and make it more usable for the surfers? Yes, the number of the possible sales contacts will decreased, but bookmarkers will stay on LL.

[Greenguy]

Last Activity: Today 12:34 PM
Viewing Thread New free site format (version 1.5) @ 12:34 PM

Kit's here

[stuveltje]

wahhh i am gonna bann this thread out of my reviewers head, you can do what you want as a free site submitter, you can do what you wanna list as an linksite owner, but the linksites who have me as an reviewer wont agree with those new rules.....NO WAY (stu--->>talked with her bosses about this thread and show them all and they refuse to deal with a new invented wheel, old rules will stay on the list, no matter what google or whatever ses does) oh and this also counds for the ones i know for years in this biss submitting free sites, its your choise to make those sites but dont submit them at the list i do, i made already exceptions for you guys, but i wont go that far to list free sites made on these news rules, no matter how many years i know you, nothing personal...just keeping by our own rules!

[stuveltje]

stu<-- see it like this....you free site submitter make a nice surfer friendly free site by the rules of the linksite you submit too......in return....the linksite owner you submit too gives you traffic back but also want some clicks to his site too and get bookmarkers because you made that friendly surfer site, easy to navigate...the surfer dont wanna get overwelhemd( or how the hell you write that) by tons of links, and making the surfer to confused what to click......i wonder in this thread what is more important...to keep your bookmakers with nice easy to navigate good sites, or do you only depend on your ses results...my guys (my bosses) yeah know i am bad here, but they relay on their bookmarkers...they dealed with the ses before, they know how ses can fuck them ( and most linksite owners know how ses can fuck up), but they also believe on their bookmarkers and these new rules wont help to make more bookmarkers, it only make it worser, how the hell a surfer can make a pick between what 40 linksites receips? oh i know where the benefit is....sure the smaller linksites who wanna get listed with the big ones, because tell me....name me 40 linksites who give alot of traffic like tommy , richard, dd, gg etc? But you dont need a tons of traffic to make a sale, your a sales man or not, if 2 or 3 adds a page dont give you a sale then 4 wont work either and tons of traffic also not......you as a free site submitter have it all in your own hands.......and yes tell me i am an moron and then i will say, i dont fucking care, i do know what i am talking about (oke if i am talking in my own language, hell learn dutch sometime)

[Greenguy]

Last Activity: Today 02:41 PM
Replying to Thread New free site format (version 1.5) @ 02:41 PM

2 hours later, Kit hit the reply button & he's currently almost 20 minutes into his typing

[Greenguy]

Kit is 50 minutes into his reply. It must be nice to start a fire on Friday & not check on it until Monday

[Greenguy]

1 hour 15 minutes - this had better be a doozy!

[swedguy]

For some reason I've always thought kit was a girl.

[DangerDave]

What I want to know now is...

Why is there a rush to take up this so-called new version??

Do the people wanting to build and list them.. think that it will be a global panacea for the Free Site business?
What exactly is going to change?
Are you going to make more money?
Are you going to make less money?

Change for changes sake has been proven time and again to be nothing but a waste of resources.. and the sensible and correct way to go about any change that may or may not be deemed necessary, is to HAVE THE DISCUSSION FIRST, not AFTER the format has been decided...

Kit and others may have had a little less opposition and alot more input if the question had been asked.. "How about we look at FS design and see what we can come up with?"

At present - as I have said before - 'people' are just seizing hold of this new idea for reasons that I cannot see or understand.. Less mirror entrances is one thing I suppose... but you have always been able to do that of you own volition.

As my mother would say.. "If Kit told you to jump of the Harbour Bridge would you do that too?"

DD

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

As my mother would say.. "If Kit told you to jump of the Harbour Bridge would you do that too?"

DD

dont say that, thats something my parents use to say to me, and i am saying to my kids, but then my moron daugther will answer "YES"......yes yes i admit, i have strange kids

[Greenguy]

I'd just like to thank Kit for this big mess he's created.

Thanks for starting the thread. Thanks for coming back & reading it & keeping up-to-date (I know you read it Saturday, Sunday & today) Thanks for being a coward & not posting. Thanks for not backing up your statements. Thanks for not being clear with your intentions. Thanks for re-inventing the wheel with another wheel.

Thanks for nothing

[murray]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'd just like to thank Kit for this big mess he's created.

Its another cold war

[kit]

Greenie, looks like you don't like me.
Can you tell me why? ;-)

[mb]

Please see the hoes.com response to this topic here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=46326

thanks,
marc

[Ms Naughty]

I'm a bit late to all this, just wanted to add my 2c

With regards to increasing the number of recips: as a submitter that sounds fab as it would reduce effort but it has SEO implications:
http://www.google.com/support/webmas...n&answer=35769
"If the site map is larger than 100 or so links, you may want to break the site map into separate pages."
I think most people take this to mean that you shouldn't have more than 100 links on any given page. If your recips all have two links (main and category) then your site begins to sail very close to the wind if you've submitted to 40 linklists.

On a general note, I welcome a discussion about the freesite format as I must admit it has become rather rigid. Removing the warning page, however, does feel like you're losing an opportunity to sell.

My own small linklists have happily listed all kinds of sites. Today, for example, I listed this one, which isn't a "free site" in the LL sense of the word.
http://scandalouswomen.com/
But it's definitely worth listing because it's useful to a surfer.

So if someone was to submit one of these 1.5 things to me, I wouldn't be too concerned, as long as it was a quality site.

[Ms Naughty]

Wow Tigermom, you just said everything I wanted to say. Bravo.

Speaking as a submitter (albeit a lapsed one who is thinking about doing it again soon), your list is spot on. And as a small linklist owner, I wouldn't have a problem with those suggestions (although I must admit, it's not like I'm swamped with spammy submissions... or many submissions at all LOL).

Can the owners of existing large linklists accommodate these suggestions from trusted submitters? Do they do it anyway?

[bluebrit]

This threads all well and good but so far i still haven't seen anything that's going to make a great deal of difference.

40 recips is great to stop mirrors but mirrors will still be built by people submitting to 80 LL so that achieves nothing but it does turn the warning page into a banner farm without images. More outbound links than inbound are a reason a lot of sites don't list high in google in the first place so forty static links would be like waving a red flag at them.

If i am right in my thinking, (and there are people on the board more qualified in seo than myself) search engines do not like listing fs because the fs model never updates.
On top of that the format is easy for se algorithms the likes of google's to spot so if it is listed, the listing is temporary at best unless it has something very unusual to offer.

Search engines, now more than ever, are where sales come from and they are looking for quality active sites that update regularly and offer the surfer something new.

That's something a fs will never do. fs are basically a static advert saying take a look and buy more porn. What good is that to google?

Assuming i am right. Changing the pages or the recips, is not going to make a fs anywhere near as interesting to se's as daily updated blogs or LL and that being the case, the changes mentioned may work short term but in the long run, they will make no difference at all.

Personally i am leaning towards the idea of a few different formats that stay within the standard rules but give more flexibility to the submitters so they can build using different formats.

That may mean more work short term for reviewers but 3 or 4 acceptable models will probably stand a better chance of good se listings than the single one we are all using now.

I would like to hear from someone with good seo knowledge, what they think of this problem. Any takers?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

I would like to hear from someone with good seo knowledge, what they think of this problem. Any takers?

You already have.

[borgivan]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

...what they think of this problem...

When Kit will present his view on dynamic FS, that he called FS 2.0 in another thread, your brain will be fucken cracked off But LL that will use this technic will raise up, I think...

[swedguy]

The "v1.5" might actually be a good thing for free site submitters.

I have not tested and will never do, I'm only basing it on stats.

2+ years ago, the majority of the people entering a free site, clicked through to the main page.
Today, the majority is leaving when they hit the index page.

main -> gallery, the majority still click through there.

[Greenguy]

Useless - what pisses me off personally is the way it was presented. Go re-read Kit's 1st post (which is what I am basing all of this post on)

"free sites layout is not so usable for surfers as tgp gallery" - this has been known to everyone since Day 1. Link Lists have less traffic than TGP's because of this. 2 more clicks before you see boobies.

"Text content duplicates many times" - this can apply to mirrors as well as crappy free site builders. 1.5 does not correct either. Educating/teaching people how to build better free sites might solve this, but in the end, what does the link list owner care if he's linking to mirror #7 of 23?

"They don't have new incoming links after initial listing in Link Sites" - neither do the TGP's or Blog posts that Kit is so fond of.

"Free site is a bad quality site in therms of Surfers because" - again,. TGP's are better & more popular. Yet Link Lists still seem to have decent traffic.

"We accept free sites without warning page if you will add ICRA or RTA meta tags to your site HTML code" - RTA asks us to put the code on our warning page, which is a "good faith effort" in the eyes of the US Gov't.

http://thepurelinks.com/tmp/f2.gif - Kit doesn't give us an example, he gives us a picture of a template? Come on!

"Benefits:
1) There is no reason to keep warning page" - why is that a benefit?

"Content can be accessed by two clicks instead 3 clicks before" - One less click? Yipee.

"Decrease free sites mirroring" - no it doesn't.

"PS. Read initial discussion on Master-X here (russian text)" - the PS pissed me off because if we decided to discuss this thread on say Medium Pimpin, the 1st thing you'd see in the thread would be a link to this one. The 2nd thing in that was the fact that the thread in question was already 200+ post into it - 30 or so less than this thread currently is. If you read it, good for you. But there's no way in hell that I'm going to translate 9 pages thru bablefish to find out what I already know - 1.5 is a dumb idea.

Now, that being said, I will agree with you that we do need to look at Free Sites & we do need to think outside the box. I think I need to dust off some old notes (yes, I have notes) I also think we need to revisit this thread:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=42250
(and, as you know, had my brain been working in the last year, I might have tried to do something about this already)

I'll also admit that part of my problem is ego driven - my mind keeps yelling to me "Who the fuck do they think they are changing how Link Lists & Free Sites work without consulting you?"

Love ya - Retard OUT!