New free site format (version 1.5)

[kit]

This is not a big secret, traffic leave Link Sites last years, especially after Google algo sfiting last 12 motnhs.

Last years I understood, the free sites layout is not so usable for surfers as tgp gallery. But good SE traffic made Links Sites profitable even the looks very ugly.

Last 12 months Google clearly shown: Classic free site is bulshit and worse. Most of free sites moved to the supplemental index and therefore Link Sites lost good SE positions because the list worse objects.

Free sites is a bad quality site in therms of Google because:
1) They never updates.
2) Text content duplicates many times and equal texts of hundreds other free sites.
3) They don't have new incoming links after initial listing in Link Sites.

Free site is a bad quality site in therms of Surfers because:
1) They have bad usability: surfer must click 3 times to see the gallery (warning page -> main page -> gallery).
2) They have small content amount (2-3 galleries)

Lets try to improve free sites topology and make them more competitive.

I offer one simple rule for discussion:
We accept free sites without warning page if you will add ICRA or RTA meta tags to your site HTML code.

I name this format: free site V1.5


Benefits:
1) There is no reason to keep warning page if you add special meta tags to HTML code.
2) Therefore free site layout become more usefull for surfing. Content can be accessed by two clicks instead 3 clicks before.
3) Decrease free sites mirroring.

PS. Read initial discussion on Master-X here (russian text)

[LD]

Interesting. But will everyone else accept fs 1.5? I'm not sure I follow how I should or even if I should start using this...?

[Licker4U]

All this does is knock out one whole page of ads and possible sales. I see no reason for link lists to reject your layout but it fucks free site builders in the ass without lube. |shocking| I won't build sites like that.

[Tekster]

I don't understand how is this going to "Decrease free sites mirroring"
Also, since most of the sales come from the index page, this is going to help the submitters how?

I like change sometimes, but I think these are some unanswered questions.

Also, I wish I could read russian. maybe someone will translate.

[Useless]

I love it and I'd definitely list that format. I don't understand how it could help with SEO for the free site or the link list, but I think it would be far more welcoming to surfers. I'd bet that a lot of surfers click away when they see a warning page and no obvious or direct route to the content. I'd still want 3 ad blocks per page though. I see only one on that proposed format.

We often say that most sales are attributed to the index and main pages of a free site, but how many of us are saying that because we read it somewhere? That's why I say it. (Most of the shit I spout off is based on what other's have said.) Not long ago, DD stated that sales are created by content. That makes a lot more sense to me than the idea of surfers being instantly sold by "click here for more big tits."

This is a great idea and a great discussion. I *think* even himself may have said that the free site has needed to be revamped for quite some time.

[Preacher]

I like the idea of streamlining freesite navigation, especially from a linklists perception.

I want freesites listed at my linklist to be as easy to navigate as possible for my surfers. That way they come back to my site and then travel on to my submitters freesites. Doing away with the main page is a step towards that.

Now notice I said getting rid of the main page, because there's no reason a small block of warning text couldn't fit into Kit's suggested page layout above.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I like the idea of streamlining freesite navigation

This, from the guy who has perfected the hiding of the Enter link.

[ponygirl]

I would list sites like this, I like the idea of having to put the tags in there. I'd build like this too if I was sure they'd get accepted, so it'd be helpful if LL owners would post whether or not they'd take them

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

This, from the guy who has perfected the hiding of the Enter link.

this made me lol

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

This, from the guy who has perfected the hiding of the Enter link.

They're not "hidden" reviewers just have to actually read the links they click on.

[Lemmy]

Like others here I don't really see how this would change anything with regards to the SEs, mirroring, duplicate content and text etc. However, if it makes the surfer happier and he/she stays at my site longer I'm all for it.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

We often say that most sales are attributed to the index and main pages of a free site, but how many of us are saying that because we read it somewhere?

I don't say it because I read it somewhere, I say it because from my stats that's the way it is. If anyone wants to see my stats I can copy and paste them into a PM. I want an index page and a main page....

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Licker4U

I don't say it because I read it somewhere, I say it because from my stats that's the way it is. If anyone wants to see my stats I can copy and paste them into a PM. I want an index page and a main page....

If you have separate ad campaigns running on your index and main pages than you have on your gallery pages, which is the only way I can think of to know which pages create the sales, then go ahead and show us.

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If you have separate ad campaigns running on your index and main pages than you have on your gallery pages, which is the only way I can think of to know which pages create the sales, then go ahead and show us.

Huh? I don't need seperate ad campaigns to know which pages generate sales. Almost every sponsor I promote gives the referring URL when a sale is made. TCG shows I had 4 sales from index pages and one from a main page. No ad campaign needed:

http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babe/fuck-and-squirt/ 1 0 0
http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/clean/squirting-teen/ 1 0 0
http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babes/her-pussy-squirts/ 1 0 0
http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/clean/her-pussy-squirts/ 1 0 0
http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babe/s...gasm/main.html 1 0 0

From checking a few months ago I know that about 90% of my sales come from the index page so naturally I don't want to lose it.

When sponsors let me set up ad campaigns I use that for my referral links on my link lists so I'll know that a sale came from the link list.

[koalaTalex]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If you have separate ad campaigns running on your index and main pages than you have on your gallery pages, which is the only way I can think of to know which pages create the sales, then go ahead and show us.

My sponsors track which page the sale comes from so I know exactly which page the surfer signed up from. The ratio of 49% being index sounds about right to me and the main, gallery1 & gallery2 percentages posted above seem pretty accurate with our results as well.

I am always open to change, change is good, but of course I need to know how all my LL owners feel about this before making any such changes, their traffic is after all what is paying the bills.

I agree that LL rules make all our free sites look the same, we change the colours, style, content, etc. but with so many rules it's hard to keep things looking "new" and "original".

[balls_deep]

No one may care what I think but... If we list these sites we are loosing clicks no matter how you look at it. Do you want to give the surfer easy access to get off or do you want to make money?

Our current model works no matter how outdated it is;.

[spacemanspiff]

Those of you who have the ability to track sales per page, have you considered why your numbers are the way they are? Do you know that it's because we are going out of our way to make the content difficult to get to, or could it be merely the fact that you've been lucky enough to place a good ad block on the first page that the surfer sees (which you could still do with a different format)?

Is it possible that the sales are just coming from the first page the surfer gets to when they click on the link to your freesite, regardless of how good the ads are? Is it possible that it's just a numbers game? I've always thought that's why a lot of FS builders made that claim. I haven't built many freesites so I just don't know.

As for my position on accepting those types of sites, I'll accept pretty much anything I think the surfers would like. And yes, different is good.

I'll even go a step further. If you want to do some testing, how about this. Build a traditional freesite and a 1.5 freesite and submit them both at the same time, and see which sells better. Either pick similar content and submit both sites to the same category, or pick content that can fit into multiple categories. Just hit me up first so I'll know what's going on.

[swedguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

We often say that most sales are attributed to the index and main pages of a free site, but how many of us are saying that because we read it somewhere?

Since I love numbers, I'll throw some in to the discussion

I pulled some stats for 2006 and 2008, just to display the difference in CTR. Numbers are from the same domain (amateur niche) and between January 1 and March 28.

Average CTR for 2008:
index: 1.8%
main: 7.6%
gallery 1: 7.9%
gallery 2: 8.8%

Average CTR for 2006:
index: 4.6%
main: 1.9%
gallery 1: 5.2%
gallery 2: 3.0%

[secretagentwilly]

I've ready about this posted on other boards...If the major sources of traffic will accept the freesites built this way then I have no object building them...I'll tow the "company line" but, as far as format, where are we picturing the recip table? At the top, bottom? And would having a recip table with multiple styles on a page with gallery links make the page too busy as opposed to just text links for the recips? I'll make a few and submit them and see how it goes. Taking out the warning page is inline with the notion I think I've read on this board that a warning page might not be needed if you're entering one subdirectory from another subdirectory....

[secretagentwilly]

I just looked at that picture with the recip table on the left...I know that's just a proposed spot, when I was proposing the question, I had an entry link in mind and the relationship to it, but the question still stands if LL owners will want their recip above the content or below it...

[Useless]

Originally Posted by easymama

I just looked at that picture with the recip table on the left...I know that's just a proposed spot, when I was proposing the question, I had an entry link in mind and the relationship to it, but the question still stands if LL owners will want their recip above the content or below it...

You could still easily keep the recips above the content links.

http://www.theactusreus.com/schlampe/turtles.html

[fresh]

thats one step closer to galleries. So sales/conversions one step closer to galleries.

[annie_cash]

I dont really understand either how this would be better for the submitters but Im not an expert (at anything). Besides, my earnings from freesites get lower and lower everyday so I would give it a try (of course all the mayor LL would have to accept it too)
And my own LL would accept the new sites too

[LD]

With the third gallery you would still have 4 pages to put ads on...but I'm not sure if that means more free content given away...not good, imo. Perhaps we could put fewer pics/movies per page to keep total content used the same...(?)

No real problems for me either building or listing. One thing that bugs me in the post above is "content can be accessed in 2 clicks instead of three"...is that a good thing? That makes it easier to get the free stuff..

[NY Jester]

I actually like Preachers version a bit more. I think if the index page is kept with a small blurb of Warning Text either seen fully or placed in a scroll box wouldnt hurt anything.

I also dont see how it would help mirroring..as you can only add so many LL links to whatever front page is used.

In regard to Lusciouses comments...would if feesible to create a free site in the version


Main Page
Gallery 1 10 pics or 2 vids
Gallery 2 10 pics or 2 vids
Gallery 3 10 pics or 2 vids

keeping the 3 sponsor out link max per page

[SheepGuy]

I like it. I like it a lot!
When I first started building free sites (way back when, not in the last few years) it wasn't so regimented and they all didn't look the same. Any ideas that will allow a little more creativity are fine by me, and might even convince me to build fs's again.
Whether I do or not I'll definitely list free sites that don't fit the standard warning-main-gallery1-gallery2 grind. I'm listing some galleries now because the free site model is boring to me, and I would imagine it's boring to surfers as well.
I believe it is time for some free-thinking, and some changes to the rigid rules so many LL's live by.
Shit, if somebody was to send me a site made up of 3 galleries with no warning page I'd list it.