Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by plateman

Because he never sent the order..

You at least have a sense of humor

[plateman]

Gabbo did hehe I never posted that... he hacked me...

[plateman]

yeah where is that little sob at, you know the guy with the blue shoes..

[Adult Traffic]

LOL.

I thought that was the deal. LOL

Well, I'm exhausted. I just want to go refresh my sponsor stats and count my money before Tommy dries it all up

See you

[amber438]

I send reject/acceptance emails..well, the script does anyway..I'm backlogged but do review myself (thank god for anti virus/spyware/trojan/firewall programs) and, unless your link name and description look kinda like this

"Hard Boosty Woman And Blacks Ducks

Boosty sucks and anal action with blacks ducks" (visions of some guy or chick doing daffy duck here..)

if you're honest and make interesting sites, I accept.

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by amber438

if you're honest and make interesting sites, I accept.

Thank you Amber.

Ok I will add you into my table. Yes, I'm honest and make interesting sites, can spell, and I make nice descriptions

AST

[LowryBigwood]

You guys remind me of a couple I saw a while back...

Why on earth are you in here starting trouble, instead of making productive business? In my opinion, It was very unneccasary.

[Adult Traffic]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

You guys remind me of a couple I saw a while back...

Why on earth are you in here starting trouble, instead of making productive business? In my opinion, It was very unneccasary.

I was making business. Evidently some people can't read the original post and feel the need to bring their own trouble in.

Too bad for them.

Now I have some guy who thinks he's the shit, his friend got told something that made him feel bad, so now he's going to go around and make up something with link list owners and TGP sites because he thinks they'll ban me because he "says so"..

I say "make up something" because .. they don't usually ban for hurting someones feelings .. so .. ?

But then again, go back and read the original post. Then go find the thread where you post what you feel is necessary and what's not, because this isn't that thread.

This is the thread where link list owners who want my sites and don't pull any shit post their URLs.

Thanks

.

[Chop Smith]

Not much to be learned here but thanks for the entertainment.

Tommy, can I be your lieutenant?

[Linkster]

I wasnt going to get into this as its way too late but since a question was asked way back - actually I guess it was more a statement - here goes:

#1 - Coming into the free site game with those sites as your first attempt will more than likely, if anyone takes the time to review them, get you banned. I believe you listed "following the rules" as one of your stated terms to this "trade", and I can tell you right off the starting block that every one of them breaks ever LL owners rules out there that I know of - ranging from using "free-hosted gallery templates" as your galleries, using sponsor content, using blind links on your sponsor links - and misdirection - what is displayed on mouseover is not where the surfer ends up due to your php script, after the first one "overused templates", and the use of the words young and teen in the titles of at least two sites and most of the sponsor pages, (which BTW prevents me from listing them due to my being an original member of the ASACP and that is one of our guidelines to not accept sites that pander to CP), not using the approved recips as stated in the rules (ex. Tommys), and I could go on and on.

Secondly, I dont know where this rock-throwing attitude comes from, but the first post I ever remember reading of yours was calling other traffic providors scum and scammers, while trying to spam your own traffic site on this and many other boards in the industry - so please don't tell others not to jump into your threads when you do it yourself. As a matter of fact I had used and still do use one of your "proported scammers" and have been extremely happy with them for years - and they are not a reseller.

Setting guidelines for your submits, is about the most obnoxious statement I've ever heard in this business (and yes Im much older than you and have been around much longer), especially from a total unknown submitter, with domains that were just bought last month, and thinking that you are doing LL owners a favor by giving them these autogenerated templated sites.

For yours - and many others info - the recip you put on your site does not do an established Link List any good in the search engines - as a matter of fact it's the other way around - our link to you gives you a boost in the SE's - FACT.

When Dare posts about the 8 hits a year that we get from those recips - thats after sending you hundreds if not thousands of targetted search engine traffic hits that can convert on a well done free site at 1:30 - FACT

The board like this one and others that were mentioned that we used to all work for back in the day for LL owners, have always been the place to get answers to free site submission questions - if you don't like that system and would prefer a silver-engraved invitation and rejection notice - I might consider it if you can get rid of the 500 bounced rejection notices I was sending out every day.
There are reasons for everything in this business - and just because you think that business to business is the only way to play this game - you are a long way off. Many people that have been around this business for a while know that most of the deals that we make to accept free sites from people (a good 50% daily for me) come from going to shows, networking etc. They don't come from threads like this I can tell you for a fact.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you really have been in the TGP game for a while, then you know that you can submit to TGPs for months on end without being accepted (and no rejection notice) and then finally after either meeting someone that knows someone, or after the reviewers become familiar with your work, then you finally start being accepted. On the other hand if you are just doing paid submits to TGPs then you weren't in the TGP game a few years ago and have no idea what I'm talking about.

Finally - I'm going to have to side with Tommy and the others - that you set expectations about how you want to run your business is fine - but as most that are sucessful in business know - sometimes you have to change your expectations to fit others rules and their expectations if you want to do business with them. Your statements do warrant not only an apology to some - but I would go a little farther and tell you that the original title of this thread was the reason I put it on total ignore up until now as I was likewise offended but wuite frankly I would say with your attitude none of this will change a damn thing and I'm probably setting my "expectations" way too high.

[Adult Traffic]

Too much to read there but thanks for that.

Maybe tomorrow if I have time.

[Kezza]

Three Cheers for Linkster!!!

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Linkster

......

My gosh you guys are a bunch of high and mighty link listers.

Listen, if you don't want to list our sites, even after they have been gone over with the politely worded advice today, then that is your problem. This thread was started to find lists that were willing to send a rejection e-mail so that we wouldn't be running a recip for someone that wasn't listing our site.

There was alot of helpful advice and like AST said, we were more than willing to make changes. But I have got to tell you, I have been in this business for almost 7 years now and I have never met more egotistical bunch of people than alot of you link listers.

We were trying to learn to do it right, but at the same time just wanted it to be fair, and most of you could care less if it's fair to the webmasters that are submitting to you.

We have been in almost every aspect the adult game. We just wanted to give freesites a shot. So our first one's were't great, were yours? I highly doubt it. Instead of everyone jumping in and giving their 2 cents, why couldn't you just stay out of the thread that didn't concern you in the slightest IF you were a link list that didn't send rejection e-mails?

The only people this thread concerned were those of you that DO send e-mails and alot do and alot posted that they do and we will change our sites to comply with the sites we submit to, it really is that simple.

As far as traffic goes and scammers, well, we didn't just start in that area o adult, if we find a scammer that gives the rest of the traffic sellers/producers a bad name, then we will say so publicly on any board that will let us.

We have suceeded in the adult business by being honest and trustworty. That is just how we do things....and that is all we asked in return.

I know that GG doesn't mind piss on his board as he so eloquently stated tonight on his show, but I'm really tired of it. If you guys don't like us and don't like our sites, fine...I think we'll get over it...

[Kinky]

I'm not a link list that sends out rejection e-mails but I thought I would throw my two drunken cents in.... first off you are not the first submitters to get pissed about not having you sites listed, and you will not be the last...

and I know that having a recip on your site that doesn't list you seems like a big F U at first but if you follow the rules you will get listed a majority of the time... but you are going about rectifying the situation the wrong way here...

this is not a negative comment whatsoever but it is obvious that you haven't been around the link list world very long... the sites you posted didn't follow the link lists rules which causes them not to be listed, and most of the big link lists just don't have the time to explain why the site isn't listed, and they weed through so much crap everyday that they get sick of it and when they see a problem such as way too many outgoing links on the first page, it is an instant delete and if they get 6 submits with the same thing you get blacklisted pretty fast... it is nothing personal but this thread has turned it into that with all the jabbing back and forth...

even most of the link lists posting in this thread that say they send out rejection e-mails ar not going to list those sites when they review them... just my opinion but I would let this thread go, post a new one with the urls of your sites that don't get listed, and ask why (which has been done in this thread somewhat)... it will be a lot more productive for everybody in the long run... and making a submit list based on who sends out rejection e-mails is not a good idea as you will not get the traffic to your sites that you could if you just ask a few questions and for a little bit of help...

and again this is not a negative jab at you at all, but no matter how nice you think your sites look most of the link lists don't really need your submits, they have plenty of submits everyday that they can list instead, whether you believe it or not they really do want to list as many sites as possible, and if you build up a trusted relationship with sites then thingss get a whole lot easier also

[ClickBuster]

I want you all to know that this is the most boring thread I've ever read.

I don't care who's winning and who's losing and that kind of shit - you all have to be a bunch of locos to spend your time in reading this pile of shit.

I did it and I feel like it was a total waste of time... There's no useful information in this thread and it made the GG&J mboard look like GFY which is something I really hate to see, because at GFY I have to read 20 damn pages to find something meaningful AND most of the time I find shit - only adult webmasters with a lot of time to spend in bitching at each other... not good and very lame in some aspects of my point of view...

-- Andrew

[Linkster]

Lizzie - This thread was started with a premise that your partner agreed to in a later post that he considers Link list owners dishonest if they get a recip and dont list the site - Im not trying to start any piss - and for those that know me, I only try to give out helpful advice to newbies starting out in the game - which is what I was trying to do

I agree about the sites needing some work and thats the best part about this board is its the place to check those sites before they get submitted - what threw me off is after being told that a bunch of places wouldnt list you - you are still running their recips??? Why not just take them off those sites and submit them elsewhere that might list them?

I was basing my (hopefully helpful in your site building) opinions so that you could avoid some of the pitfalls that can happen when starting a new venture like this - if you dont like my opinion or my help - thats fine - lots of people have and some havent - not a big deal - if that sounds egotistical so be it - but I have to say thats the first time I've ever been called that

The other problem is the premise that you started with and a lot of the large link list owners obviously took offense - which is their right - and what I was trying to point out is that starting out trying to get traffic to free sites with just submitting to LLs that send rejection emails will not make you sucessful in the free site biz - maybe it came across differently, but it was just some advice that you might consider changing your game plan as it is based on a false premise - that a link list gets any benefit from a recip (evidently you think that the SEs care about them) other than a few hits a year and if you dont have time to check to see if you are listed and if not - pull the recip - then you don't have the time to do this free site thing correctly.
I guess an anology would be, wouldn't it be a smart biz decision to check your stats to see if the way a free site is built is selling? and If not change the way you build them? This is exactly the same thing as just simply checking the link lists after you submit to see if you are getting listed, as None of the large link lists other than R's R (and those rejection emails are usually wrong anyway) even send the emails, so why base your whole biz model on something that doesnt exist?
I can also tell you that basing an opinion on whether a site was looked at or reviewed on where the hit came from is probably not a good assumption - most of the larger LLs use proxys, fake user agents etc to find out what really happens to their surfers when deciding to list a site - so seeing someones admin area hits is not a good indicator. Most of us are now also running scripts that check whois info, redirections etc that are much more sophisticated than what you are used to in the TGP world - very rarely will you be able to tell when someone has reviewed your site.

Last - your last statement about why dont the LL owners who dont like the sites stay out of this - I believe most people on this board try to help everyone by donating their time here - unlike the other boards, almost every post in this thread has had some helpful advice - its up to you to do what you want with it

[Greenguy]

AST - I didn't reply to you about your comments to Dare because I didn't see them - like I said, I was too busy pissing with you. (I still haven't looked at them - forgot to last night)

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs.

I'm off to find the "dare" posts

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Adult Traffic

cfnmparty
plateman
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added


Jays
Cleo
Verbal
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Removed. Thank you.

marks - umm.. does anyone ever go there ?

AST

FOUND IT!

You know, dare basically said the same this me. I really have no idea how much traffic he has (fuck, I don't even know how much traffic I have) but I do know that he is a very well respected member of the Link List community & this board & he is also a friend of mine (and I know he's a friend of others on the board too)

So when you bitch slap him & make a comment like that, yes, anyone that knows dare will take that as a slap in their face as well & back him up.

I don't think the LinkList/FreeSite game is for you.

[amadman]

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs.

That is about what I was thinking GG.

They are totally going against the grain.

[MrMaryLou]

Its real simple their sites, their traffic, their choice Now its a small world Dare although I have never meant the man I trust him and many others it is a small world in the LL world take a shot at one or any is a no no. Time for a new filing in my mental Rolodex

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

You know, this entire thread could have been averted if you would have asked why the site(s) didn't get listed (like I ask people to do in the 1 email that I do send) instead of trying to influence a lot of Link List owners into changing their procedures to suit your needs.

I'm off to find the "dare" posts

No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread

If you just could have tried not to get your high and mighty attitudes in here we would have submitted our sites to those that send e-mails, been rejected, fixed whatever needed to be fixed and re submitted them.

It is that simple.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Lizzie

No, this whole thing could have been avoided if those of you who don't send rejection e-mails would have stayed out of the thread

the title of this thread is
Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.
it says nothing about rejection emails

I noticed your boyfriend keeps saying this is his thread, and dare and me both jumped in it so we had a bashing coming

this is a public thread and he doesnt own this board and if you ask the owners of this board I am sure they will tell you we are welcome to post in any thread

[Lizzie]

Originally Posted by Tommy

the title of this thread is
Calling all honest linklist owners, I have something special for you.
it says nothing about rejection emails

I noticed your boyfriend keeps saying this is his thread, and dare and me both jumped in it so we had a bashing coming

this is a public thread and he doesnt own this board and if you ask the owners of this board I am sure they will tell you we are welcome to post in any thread

Your right about the title, but IF you READ the post, then there is absolutely NO REASON for you to post in the thread unless it is to start an piss match.

I never said that you weren't 'allowed' to post here. I simply said there was no need for any of you to respond if you weren't sending rejection e-mails.

And you know what, having honest site owners running your recip on pages that you wouldn't list and not telling them is dishonest .

Boyfriend?

[Tommy]

I wanna make this clear I have never met Dare either and I rarely speak to him

I know him to be a honest and upstanding webmaster

so his site doesnt get a lot of traffic, thats no reason to put him down
maybe it wasnt my buisness but I just couldnt let it go.

and I knew that as soon as Adult Traffic didnt get listed on Tommys it would be a pissing match on a board

I dont think that webmasters should be blacklisted for what they say on boards and it is an abuse to do something like that .........

I do applogize to everyone that posts at GGJ for sort of starting this

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Lizzie

And you know what, having honest site owners running your recip on pages that you wouln't list and not telling them is dishonest .

its not dishonest... its just not humanly possable
a copy and paste from my admin area

555 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (2374 rejected submissions)

how the hell am i supposed to send 2374 rejection emails in a day

its just not possable, these sites move thru thousands of submits and to do that you need speed, thats just the way the buisness is today