how important is unique IP / nameserver to SE ranking?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by SexVideoContent

The domains I was referring to are both PR0 and were both in the top 10 on google.


What is a 'class c'?

Then you are seeing first hand that PR does not equal SERP. Good PR is nice, but give me a good SERP any day of the week.

Re: Class C

http://www.gordano.com/kb.htm?q=246

[Bill]

I'm paraphrasing, trying to communicate an emotional flavor.

What, you think what I'm saying has no merit?

Just relax man.

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by baddog

Good PR or poor PR has zero to do with SERP's.

Maybe toolbar PR but actual Page Rank does which is what I'm talking about. But thats going off the subjuect anyway.

[Rocco]

>how important is unique IP / nameserver to SE ranking?

if the google algo would consist of 100 things these would be points 96 and 97 if you have a legit site. if you are a spammer then it is much more important because when they will go "manually" after you, you will be fucked.

if you are trying to push your sites with crosslinking "a little bit", what I guess you are planning to do, then yes, it is important. i will not go into details why, though. and let me tell you that you are at risk of going belly up, so better go with DD's advice.

[baddog]

I have a question for Dave, or anyone else that does not believe Google when they say "The <filter> parameter causes Google to filter out some of the results for a given search. This is done to enhance the user experience on Google.com, but for your application, you may prefer to turn filtering off in order to get the full set of search results. "

Do you know how to turn off the default filter? If you do, how often do you include the command? How many surfers do you think know how? How many do you think do it?

[Linkster]

BadDog - the way to see the dupe filter is to add &filter=0 to your query - its basically the same thing as Google does when they say "click here to see the omitted results"

One precaution that needs to be said here though is that Google knows that some people use that filter quote to their advantage and have disabled it for a few keywords (lemme know if you need to know which they are)

Im gonna have to agree with DDave here as I have done my own testing over the last few years that Google has been around - if you are making sites that have at least (this is just a number that I came up with) 20% different content you will avoid the two site dupe penalty - which BTW in the real world of Google only applies to sites on the same "domain name" - not the same IP.
This could change in the future as Google has applied and been approved to be their own registrar, which gives them access to the entire whois db on an auto-query level, so I would expect that in the future they may expand that dupe filter -
but I can tell you based on hard evidence (at least the hardest I can portray using my measely thousand domains) that their is no filter based on IP - although there does seem to be a small dampening effect for cross-linking based on the same IP.
I have always disagreed with some of the so-called SEM/SEOs out there in their thinking as I look at sites based on somewhere around 120 factors - which always takes me to some other things that are causing penalties other than what people posting on WM World and other boards seem to think they got penalized for.

<rant on>
I also try to dispense advice (as DDave does) based on what Ive really seen as opposed to what "could happen" as there are a lot of fear-mongerers running around out here that seem to prey on WMs lack of background in the SE world - and I think Dave, Bill and I (if I remember correctly) not only do extremely well in the SEs (Google especially) and we dont ever charge a cent for the advice we give.
To me its a total rip-off for anyone to charge for SEO/SEM - whether they know their stuff or not - who's to know if they really do??? And more importantly - who in their right mind really thinks that these SEOs really have an insight into how an algo is put together or how it's calculated - I can guarantee that not a one of the SEO's out there charging $300 or whatever an hour has any more "knowledge" than the guys here that do it for free
<rant off>

[SexVideoContent]

Lots of good posts in this thread, thanks

Two days ago I decided to turn tightest.net into a blog, mainly so I could update it easily; however I noticed yesterday that it is no longer getting any hits from google. When I type in 'tightest.net' into google, it doesn't even bring up any results anymore; does this mean it's been blacklisted from google? Or could it be that the keywords just no longer show up in the search results so the domain isn't showing up either?

I did briefly have a bunch of doorway pages on this domain, but removed them before I started getting the hits from google that I had posted about earlier; in fact I only got hits for 'ivana fuckalot', a term used on the front page of the site but not on any of the doorway pages. I wonder if the domain is being blacklisted for having the doorway pages, but it took google a while to remove it (perhaps they remove pages manually?) and in the meantime it kept picking up the keywords from the first page normally?

[Bill]

You're not blacklisted, don't worry about that.

To be more accurate, your chances of being blacklisted are infinitesimally small.

What you are describing is totally normal. Just go back to building content on the site, build in links to and from other sites, and wait. You'll come back into the listings in a bit. It might take a few weeks to a few months.

You can try to get new pages into the listings with the "freshbot", but those types of listings typically only last a few days.

You need patience to catch most types of search engine traffic.

[Bill]

Linkster, you check _120 factors_ when you are analysing a site's search engine characteristics?

Holy shit, man, how do you have time to string 3 words of text together after all that analysis? ;-}

And I think the dupe content penalty percentage is a lot smaller than 20% (I know you are using that as a rule of thumb, and it's a good one.) I figure it's really not much more than 5%.

But, I figure, the more differentiation that can be built in, the better. Every single change in text and structure is like an innoculation against possible future penalties.

And, it makes the surfers happier as they are moving thru the pages. Unhappy surfers don't buy.

[Linkster]

Bill - lately I dont seem to have time for anything LOL

And I totally agree its probably smaller - I chose that based on some buffer for future Google "enhancements"