Somnophilia definition

[susanna]

The sleeping princess syndrome, a paraphilia of the marauding/predatory type in which erotic arousal and facilitation or attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent on intruding on and awakening a sleeping partner or stranger with erotic caresses, including oral sex, not involving force or violence [from Latin, somnus, sleep + philia, love or obsession). There is no technical term for the reciprocal paraphilic condition of being the recipient, which occurs more readily in fantasy than in actuality.



not involving force or violence......






we know the definition of assault.



As pointed out by Jim... if we have trouble with such sites we should therefore ban all sponsors that have such sites... well I think thats a given...there is a select few people willing to market such sites. If you honestly cannot see the damage your doing to our industry and potential damage to young minds (lets not mention feeding the fantasy of rapists) then I give up.

The site wont do well with somnophilia kinksters as they have no idea what they are doing. It will do well with those that like non-consentual sex.

[Jim]

susanna
Why not start 10 more threads on the same fucking subject. Get over it and move on. Or, just move on...

[spacemanspiff]

If you honestly cannot see the damage your doing to our industry and potential damage to young minds

There are millions and millions of people out there that think porn in general does this, so following their logic, you shouldn't be promoting it at all.

[juggernaut]

"young minds" Are not to be looking at porno. Whats up with you? All your posts you have posted in the past few days are about how pissed off you are about it. I doubt you are going to accomplish much here. So why do you keep
I would think any given day of letting a child watch the tv news could turn them into murders, or letting them play violent games would do the same. These type of sites are not the basis of someone doing such a thing. Most of those people have a history of problems and should seek help.

[Tommy]

I think susanna should be able to voice her opinion openly

but on the other hand I always find it a little funny when pornographers are offended by a website

a lot of people would be just as offended at your sites (not solely directed at Susanna)
does that mean they should be shut down ????

I mean if your sites should be able to stay online even though it offends millions of people then should someone elses site be shutdown because your offended

that seems very hyporcritical

[juggernaut]

I agree here Tommy, she should be able to say what ever she wants. The point i tried to make which I can see is unclear as I type like shit and my thoght process is to fast for my hands. Is that most 99% of people looking over those sites, know they are a stanged filming. And for some I would think it's a good outlet. I think some of those sites make things rather graphic that can turn someones dream, into a nightmare. Thus having them not be turned on by those thoughts anymore. But the small few who will still be turned on and want to do it for real have issues that should be addressed by a doctor. I don't think the site should be taken down, I'm all for freedom to express yourself, even if it offends everyone.

[Tommy]

This is a tough subject
and personally I would rather not see these sites operating

it is all staged...... and so was the rape of Dr melfe in the sopranos and numeros rapes took place in oz, should those shows be removed from the airways

but where does the line get drawn

should it be me or susanna or anyone else here that draws that line

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I think susanna should be able to voice her opinion openly

but on the other hand I always find it a little funny when pornographers are offended by a website

a lot of people would be just as offended at your sites (not solely directed at Susanna)
does that mean they should be shut down ????

I mean if your sites should be able to stay online even though it offends millions of people then should someone elses site be shutdown because your offended

that seems very hyporcritical

Tommy, I have no problem with her voicing her opinions. The problem is that she starts new threads each time to do it. Useless spent time last night merging her threads.

[susanna]

Originally Posted by Jim

Tommy, I have no problem with her voicing her opinions. The problem is that she starts new threads each time to do it. Useless spent time last night merging her threads.

I started a new thread last night because my original thread disappeared. I started one with a more appropriate twist. I have been sticking to your policy of not starting lots of threads since then. I have enjoyed the posts, I believe it makes people think when you offer your opinion.

Jim your posts obviously make people think too. Thanks for letting me post my opinions. I hope you never experience the downside of violence against women. Even pretend violence. |badidea|

[Extreme John]

For the most part I find myself staying away from these conversations, but Jim's post earlier and this post now, along with what Tommy said have made me really think of a few things.

When a movie comes out in movie Theatres and there is a rape scene, do CC Companies not process Debit card transactions for that Movie and threaten to fine the theatre's doing so? Im going to say no way in hell. If you dont want to see it, than you simply dont go, I doubt anyone jumps on a message board and posts about how the movie is destroying society. Same goes for the Sopranos and another HBO show Oz as mentioned by Tommy, it's simple if you don't like it you don;t watch it. Another example is the movie "American History X", an excellent movie in it's time and still a sought after movie today..... There's a guy that blatantly gets raped in that film, no one was running around with signs than, and Visa never told Blockbuster or any Movie Theatre they couldnt process sales for the movie or sell the VHS or DVD tapes. Hell even Wal-Mart sells it. Whats this have to do with anything? It just goes to show how the Online Adult Entertainment Industry is a constant target already, having people in the industry fighting those willing to express their fantasies or desires and bringing those very things to the Adult Online Community is kinda of kicking the person willing to stand for the very things or very thing you make money from.

Moving on to what Jim said earlier, he's right, and 6 years of being in this industry, more shit comes and goes than in any other business I have ever been in, if I were to stand around and fight every single thing I hate or that pisses me off I wouldnt get anything done, and in 6 yars time I have a strong belief that it's not my job to police the industry. Teens were an issue, pissing was an issue, beast shit was an issue, scat was an issue, Bizarre was an issue and the list goes on and on. Some of those things make me ill, some of those things I dont give a damn about, regardless I dont stand on the corner screaming about any of them.

Moving on to the Definition above, thats great to know. Ill also say that just like the definition for OCD, there's many variations to it. Fact is that many men like the idea of waking their wife and or girlfriend to have sex with them in the middle of the night, fact also is many men really could care less if she wakes up during it or not. Another fact is, many Woman like the idea of someone waking them up in the middle of the night to have sex with them, another fact is many woman like the idea of their husband getting excited about them in the middle of the night and being excited enough to have sex with them while they arent awake. (Trust me these variations go on and on). Based on that Definition above, I have a problem and I should be locked up because Im the next big Rapist.... If you knew me nothing could be further from the truth, because only one thing sickens me more than rape and that Child Rapists/Killers/Predators, however I also love the idea of waking my wife up in the middle of the night, I also couldnt care less if she passed out in the middle of it after a night of drinking, I also couldnt care less if I was in the mood, she fell asleep early and I did what I wanted to do and she didnt wake up during it. She doesnt care either. This hardly makes me someone thats into Rape, this hardly makes me a sick son of a bitch. Just like everyone else on this planet, I have fantasies, yours might be feet, mine might be girls with big noses, regardless of what it is, it's our choice to not like it, or to like it, but it's not our job to police the industry on these matters.

In closing I think it's safe to say that Rage Cash spent a good ammount of money on advertising here as well as other places, I think its safe to say that in the same fashion companies like Extreme Paychecks, ARS, Nasty Dollars, and Rage Cash probably have plenty of Lawyers that give thier views on the legalities, and risks of the sites in their portfolios, in addition to that from experience I can tell you that getting any site approved by 3rd party processors is already hard, sites that are risky in nature get torn apart 100x over by 3rd party billers and the C/C companies, if the shit makes it far enough past them, than after that anyone else's opinion doesnt really matter.

Sorry for the long ass response, but it seems I have read about 400 million comments on this stuff, and it reminds me of when we released Anal Destruction years ago, people were all hell bent because it showed the girls less than enjoying their experience, in the end that was all well and good but over 40% of the sites members were woman, because they could relate to that.

[susanna]

Originally Posted by Extreme John

It just goes to show how the Online Adult Entertainment Industry is a constant target already, having people in the industry fighting those willing to express their fantasies or desires and bringing those very things to the Adult Online Community is kinda of kicking the person willing to stand for the very things or very thing you make money from.

Moving on to what Jim said earlier, he's right, and 6 years of being in this industry, more shit comes and goes than in any other business I have ever been in, if I were to stand around and fight every single thing I hate or that pisses me off I wouldnt get anything done, and in 6 yars time I have a strong belief that it's not my job to police the industry.

Moving on to the Definition above, thats great to know. Ill also say that just like the definition for OCD, there's many variations to it. Fact is that many men like the idea of waking their wife and or girlfriend to have sex with them in the middle of the night, fact also is many men really could care less if she wakes up during it or not. Another fact is, many Woman like the idea of someone waking them up in the middle of the night to have sex with them, another fact is many woman like the idea of their husband getting excited about them in the middle of the night and being excited enough to have sex with them while they arent awake. (Trust me these variations go on and on). Based on that Definition above, I have a problem and I should be locked up because Im the next big Rapist.... If you knew me nothing could be further from the truth, because only one thing sickens me more than rape and that Child Rapists/Killers/Predators, however I also love the idea of waking my wife up in the middle of the night, I also couldnt care less if she passed out in the middle of it after a night of drinking, I also couldnt care less if I was in the mood, she fell asleep early and I did what I wanted to do and she didnt wake up during it. She doesnt care either. This hardly makes me someone thats into Rape, this hardly makes me a sick son of a bitch. Just like everyone else on this planet, I have fantasies, yours might be feet, mine might be girls with big noses, regardless of what it is, it's our choice to not like it, or to like it, but it's not our job to police the industry on these matters.

Ahh John speaks....thank you. I heard every one of your points but of course I still disagree. I have quoted only the parts I wish to comment on.

Firstly, I also stand for the things that make me money. I am not kicking you in the pants for that. I am kicking you in the pants for making a site that has such blatant disregard for the safety of women, that depicts women as objects to be fucked whether she cares or not, and that places male pleasure over female dignity. (this is a laymans definition of rape)

Secondly, its not my job to police the industry either but it is my job to speak out and see just how many people agree with me on the true nature of that site. Come on John... does the word ASSAULT on a sex site not conjure up images of sexual assault to you? Its becoming obvious that its not about policing the industry, its about getting you off your high horse. You actually believe that your site tour is talking about the wife or girlfriend who sleeps with you every night, who doesnt care if you partake in sex with her pussy while she is obviously not involved herself. Your tour is talking about taking sex from women who are too tired to wake up and decide/or defend themselves from their attackers.

John I dont need to convince the entire adult webmaster community, I only want to convince you to change your text. You say its about consentual wives and girlfriends yet your text says nothing like that. Your text talks about taking what they always wanted to take from a roomate. Your text talks about a stranger coming into a girls room, rummaging her stuff which is already a violation of her privacy. Your text place women on the level of "to be fucked when I want whether you like it or not, its a non-issue". What I would like is to convince you that your explanation/definition/defences of your site have nothing to do with the text on your site. Since your definition stands, let me write up some text that will clearly show that this is about a husband who takes sex from his sleeping beauty. The text can subtly show consentualism instead of what you are showing...non-consentualism.

Since these threads have finally caught your eye Jim, and I have gotten my chance to talk direct to you, this is my last post. If you wish to take me up on my offer of helping to tweak the text on the sexual assault site, please private me. Otherwise you can just choose to not answer. I am off to make my millions.

[spacemanspiff]

Stick to your guns, John. I agree with every point you made. This fucking PC world we live in these days makes me want to puke.

I'll promote the site. The girl sitting across the office from me (you met her) decided not to. No biggie. To each his own, ya know.

[Jim]

Yep, well said John. As I said, I remember the days when members of the real YNOT were thrown out because they had sites with the name Teen in the title or description.

Things change in this business at the speed of light. I talked to a few people yesterday and there are other programs building sites like yours as we speak.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Jim

Yep, well said John. As I said, I remember the days when members of the real YNOT were thrown out because they had sites with the name Teen in the title or description.

Yep, and I fully remember who's side Carol was on during that time. Guess who slept on the couch for 2 weeks because he disagreed with her?!

[Jeka]

I have absolutely no problem at all with the sites from Rage Cash. They are just fantasy rollplays and therefore should be treated as those and not compared to rape or incest pornography.
You can't say old men fucking "young" teens (18+) is cp neither! All the models and actors make good money of that and they chose to do it.

[Trixie]

Random notes:

*The word is CONSENSUAL, not CONSENTUAL.

*Re: "If you don't want to see it, don't look at it." I am so sick of hearing this "argument". The concern with controversial depictions of nonconsensual sex is that THERE MAY BE CONSEQUENCES THAT IMPACT PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE FOLKS WHO CHOOSE TO WATCH IT. Not looking at it yourself doesn't protect from those consequences. If there are people who confuse fantasy on a porn site with reality, and deduce from it that it's okay to, for example, start fucking a sleeping woman's dry pussy without her consent . . . the woman is going to pay the price for that whether she watched that porn or not. GET IT??

I don't agree with blacklisting or shutting down the sleep site (I'll personally promote it myself), or other controversial porn, but to act as though there are no potential negative consequences, and to not discuss these rationally or try to find ways to limit them, is STUPID.

*Re: "Pornographers criticizing porn are hypocrites". Oh spare me. There are almost as many types of porn and extremes of porn as there are individual fantasies. To pretend it's all the same and not make any differentiation between (just as an example) a softcore foot fetish site and a hardcore double anal site is moronic. This is like certain people who pretend an abortion in the third trimester is just as kosher as one in the first. Everyone shoots themselves in the foot by refusing to acknowledge differences. I am not suggesting that any type of porn filmed with the consent of adults should be illegal . . . but the ethics of porn should be open for discussion. It should be fun and empowering to discuss these things, not something that opens you up for ridicule. Higher level thinking skills? ANYONE?

There are a lot of things being said on this issue that I agree with, but so many more that just smack of sheer unwillingness to go the distance with logical trains of thought that it drives me apeshit.

Another thing: I love me some taboo porn, as I mentioned in this thread, and I believe in people's rights to produce such porn . . . but I also respect that we all are allowed and justified to have our own bad reactions to whatever bothers us. I do get a little sick of male webmasters acting like it's oversensitive for some of us to get pissed when we see 90% of porn depicting women in ways that are unrealistic, degrading, and in cases like this one, BEING RAPED. Yes, it's a fantasy . . . but it's getting a little stale. And if women weren't raped all the time, and if it weren't for 50% of rapes in this country not even leading to an arrest, I might think we were being oversensitive about it. If there were more sites depicting men in these positions, I might think you guys have a leg to stand on, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think the overabundance of porn that degrades women, shows them having sex that is physically harmful/dangerous, shows them being humiliated, dominated, and forced into sex, isn't at least a sign of bigger problems, if not a contributing factor in those problems. It's not being oversensitive to acknowledge that something is fucked up with this picture.

[SirMoby]

Time to knock off all this crap off. I will post a list of my morals in a few days and when I do I expect everyone to adhere to them. No more chosing for yourself. No more excepting others that disagree with you. It is either my way or I will bitch about it and make insulting remarks about you all.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Time to knock off all this crap off. I will post a list of my morals in a few days and when I do I expect everyone to adhere to them.

Sounds like a short list.

[Trixie]

I've come to the conclusion that the main problem with trying to have a discussion with other webmasters is that most of them are borderline illiterate.

Reading comprehension: if only we could purchase it as easily as a viagra-induced erection.

It's not about morals, it's about ethics. It's not about limiting people's choices, but discussing the options. As for "excepting others that disagree with you", judging from context clues I'm guessing the word you mean is "accepting". I accept people who disagree with me, but that doesn't stop me from thinking they're numbskulls.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Trixie

As for "excepting others that disagree with you", judging from context clues I'm guessing the word you mean is "accepting". I accept people who disagree with me, but that doesn't stop me from thinking they're numbskulls.

so what???? does that mean your opinion counts more because you used a spell checker

and yes I do think Pornographers that cry about porn are hypocrites


if some religious group was offended by Sirmoby's site's
hes gonna say if you dont like it dont look at it
and go in to a blurb about free speach etc etc

I bet the owners of the sleep site would use the exact same argument

if the law protects sirmobys sites then why not the sleep site

Gee.... I hope I spelled everything right so Trixe doesnt jump on my shit

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Trixie

I've come to the conclusion that the main problem with trying to have a discussion with other webmasters is that most of them are borderline illiterate.

Reading comprehension: if only we could purchase it as easily as a viagra-induced erection.

It's not about morals, it's about ethics. It's not about limiting people's choices, but discussing the options. As for "excepting others that disagree with you", judging from context clues I'm guessing the word you mean is "accepting". I accept people who disagree with me, but that doesn't stop me from thinking they're numbskulls.

I have a graduate degree does that make my opinion more valid?

---art

P.S. Either you're 1) for free speech 2) against free speech or 3) for placing restrictions on free speech. As posted by me previously, I believe in 3) if the adults are consenting and informed of what they are doing. Having said that, no one could ever convince me to promote RageCash. I find the site (Sleep Assult) offensive but if the people involved are adults then I support their right to be repugnant.

[Tommy]

I bet Trixie is typing her ass off right now :-)

and yes I already know I should have capitalized the S in sirmoby

[Trixie]

Again, reading comprehension is an issue. None of your points make a lick of sense because you haven't COMPREHENDED my opinion(s) enough to argue with them, and instead are attributing opinions to me that I do not have. If you want to disagree with me, fine. Just make sure we actually disagree on the points you make.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Again, reading comprehension is an issue.

ya know thats a bit insulting

a debate can be fun, intersting and good for all involved

but nobody is gonna pay any attention to you with this holeyer then thou attitude

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Trixie

I don't agree with blacklisting or shutting down the sleep site (I'll personally promote it myself), or other controversial porn, but to act as though there are no potential negative consequences, and to not discuss these rationally or try to find ways to limit them, is STUPID.

It is easy to cast dispersions on others. So Trixie, I ask you in what ways do we "limit them"?

--art