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2005-10-28, 04:17 AM
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Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
Join Date: Aug 2005
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How long it takes you to build and submit a site?
A really good one and an average one?
Also include how many LL's you submit too For me, good one is about 2:30 in total 1+/-h to make it, 1+/- to submit submit to around 70 LL's using form filling feature of AS Thanks |
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2005-10-28, 11:20 AM
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I Love Turkish Delight, they're very moreish.
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 578
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You're quick!
It takes me about 2-2.5 hours to make a site from scratch. Then about 1.5 hours to submit it to 80 LL's - by hand but helped by Roboform.
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2005-10-28, 11:53 AM
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Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV
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Yea probably takes me 2 - 3 hours to build also. I submit to only 15 - 20 LL, so my submitting doesn't take as long though. I just build 1 doorway.
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2005-10-28, 12:20 PM
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Trying is the first step towards failure
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 121
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20 min to build, 10 min - 20 min to upload, and about 5 min to submit. I submit to about 16-20 link lists. Upload takes a while if I use movies.
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2005-10-28, 12:54 PM
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I can now put whatever I want in this space :P
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Boobville... I like it way better here
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maybe 1h to buid. then 30 min more to change stuff, after I realize I've fallen into the same old fuckin template again. then 30 min to actually pick & cut the movies, make the screencaps. And upto 1h more for the submission to ~ 150 LLs. I used to take like 2.5-3h and sub to over 400 LLs. but I was young and foolish. lol
On a good day I'm done in 2h.
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2005-10-28, 01:46 PM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,837
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Damn you guys are fast!! It takes me a whole day to build and submit one site!!!
It's getting faster as I have a lot of different templates built up. I get stuck on the stupid things like colors, making tables etc!! I submit to about 48 LLs with each site. I do it all by hand, and get sidetracked all the time. I often will go to the LLs and check out a lot of their sponsor info, new programs they are trying etc..So just clicking on the webmaster submit button sometimes takes a hour or so before I actually leave...  |
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2005-10-28, 01:58 PM
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Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV
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2005-10-28, 02:27 PM
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And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest
energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Alberta
Posts: 225
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It usually takes me close to a day as well, but then I do not have 1000 templates to just go mix and match.
I start out from scratch on almost every free site. When you pay for your own content, not being accepted to lists is a lot different than just grabbing sponsor content, building a site in 5 minutes and then subbing it, hoping that 50% of the link lists accept it. Each free site costs money, not just time spent building it. And I understand time is money, but I think you know what I mean. So I try to make a nice free site that I hope LLs will accept. Even though I'm sure the people that I submit to will probably be saying...that guy has got to change his fucking templates already  But then I definitely still consider myself a newbie, so certainly don't follow my plan, as I clearly have no clue wtf I am doing  Maybe this speed free site building is what everyone is talking about, working smarter, not harder. |
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2005-10-28, 05:47 PM
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Live and learn. And take very careful notes!
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Sunny Holland
Posts: 6,157
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a year ago it would have take me 30 minutes to build one, but since i dont built free sites anymore it would take me now 4 days
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2005-10-28, 06:22 PM
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Trying is the first step towards failure
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Washington (no, the NICE one.)
Posts: 128
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Wow...some of you are FAST! Submitting to about 60 LL isn't what takes me much time, I'm still making my freesites from scratch with a master style sheet I can tweak, until I have many, many templates.
Sometimes if the sponsor banners are way too overexposed, I'll make a custom ad, too. (Trying to write) good sales text and working each page to be search engine optimized is what I am really slow at, even with a template. And, choosing good colors for backgrounds, table cells, headlines, sales text, links, etc., even with color tools and palette selectors, can be a speed bump. I see free sites that are very bare bones, just banner ad, big text link, banner ad, plain galleries with banner ad, one text link, banner ad and while I know that might have taken 20 minutes to whip out, I don't see how it gets any residual SE traffic or even click throughs--but they get listed and they don't take much time and they must make sales. I just can't seem to get to that point yet. -CatsEye |
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2005-10-28, 06:57 PM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Earth on occasion
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2005-10-28, 08:03 PM
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What can I do - I was born this way LOL
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ohio
Posts: 3,086
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I got it down to a couple hours but I got many templates plus fuck banners and graphics, I hardly ever use banners anymore, sure you should make a site look nice but not spend much time on it.. you gotta get pages out there not win a free site talent contest...
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2005-10-28, 08:27 PM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,837
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Geez..you and making your own banners, graphics etc! All I know is html and damn I even just use frontpage to build my sites. I'm not good at design, coding or making any graphics. But my sites are getting listed and I'm making money so I guess I'm alright!
My hats off tjchuck though, like him I buy all my own content.  |
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2005-10-30, 02:44 AM
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If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing
Join Date: Apr 2005
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2005-10-30, 10:10 AM
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And Lord, we are especially thankful for nuclear power, the cleanest, safest
energy source there is. Except for solar, which is just a pipe dream
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Alberta
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I also said earlier in this thread that I have no clue wtf I am doing. |
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2005-10-30, 11:14 AM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,837
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Don't use any sponsor content except on my hub and LLs. |
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2005-11-01, 09:52 PM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 74
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After reading all the replies I don't feel so bad. For a minute there I thought I was a Special Olympics calibur of webmaster since it takes me so damn long.
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2005-11-02, 06:12 PM
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WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school?
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 40
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90-100 minutes for build, update and submit to 96 LL (8x12)
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submit your FREE SITES 
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2005-11-03, 05:42 PM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ottawa
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main problem i have is deciding what sponsor and pics to use. otherwise making pages and ad text takes no time at all. maybe a little bit to make the galleries interesting.
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2005-11-03, 07:00 PM
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Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sin-City USA
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about 2 weeks..
2/2.5 hours to build and submit.. but it takes me about 7 days to decide to do it and another 6 to convice tart she really needs to make me some graphics.. |cool| |
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2005-11-04, 12:05 AM
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Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer?
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
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From start to finish it takes me about 4-5 hours to build and submit one freesite to about 60 LL. I'm really hoping that as time passes I get quicker. Writing the ad text and calls to action and getting the SEO stuff done is what takes me the longest, and the recip tables, every time I try a new niche it takes forever to get all the niche specific recips in order...
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2005-11-04, 02:43 AM
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Searching for Jimmy Hoffa
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
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About an hour, but I only submit to 11 linklists. I build all my graphics, etc in photoshop or use some 3d graphic text programs to make quick headers or footers. Also like TJ and sue, I only use bought content and stay clear of sponsor content.
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2005-11-04, 02:51 AM
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Internet! Is that thing still around?
Join Date: Oct 2005
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It takes me about 1 hour to build freesite, and about 1 hour to submit it to 100 LL
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2005-11-04, 02:54 AM
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I Love Turkish Delight, they're very moreish.
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 578
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You should really get your recip tables organised so that you just copy and paste them for each site and each niche. If you have to start from scratch each time it will be a nightmare.
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2005-11-04, 06:30 AM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Sex Delta
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Well - after reading this I think its time for a "Linkster Special Tips" day on free sites
 1. Get yourself to the point where you have 30 templates - now when we say templates in the free site world we mean - design templates - the arrangement of the pics, the look of the index page etc - not color differences. 2. As part of your original business plan - you would have decided what niches you plan to attack - so duplicating the templates for each niche into different folders is the second part of this little organizational pow-wow with yourself - don't build completely new templates - just copy the original 30 into a new folder and name it niche2 or whatever. 3. At this point you should (based on old sage advice I received) have around 90 templates streched over 3 niche folders. Now is the time to add color and change text based on the niche - get the templates to the point where all you have to do is change the paysites name or banner on your templates in the future. 4. Niche recips come next - obviously the arrangement you use for doorways drives how you set up the sub-folders for each set of Linklists - but again - its just a matter of getting the templates duplicated and add the niche recip tables ahead of time. 5. Adding pictures - as you buy each set of pics - set them up with groups of 20 or 30 - whatever you decide(of course if you are also making tgp gallery submits this will weigh into that decision) - and put them in sub-folders of the niche template folder they belong to. 6. Advertising - take the time to really read the tour pages of the paysite you are submitting to - note the colors of the pages, the types of words and phrases they use, etc. This should drive how you write the advertising for that niches' templates - and decide how many templates you want to use for that sponsor. Then it's just a matter of changing text to match the paysite as well as the color of the template and banners (if used) 7. At this point you have all of the 90 templates ready for the submitting game - the content should be ready to drop in to the templates (thumbs already made, fullsize pictures at the right size etc.) 8. Now we are ready to submit for the first day - just go to the first template - drop in the pics and thumbs, upload to the server and go look at each and every page you are going to submit - check the recips, the titles, click on every thumb, recheck your mouseovers on paysite links, check you have your affiliate code in the links - and dont just check the first doorway - check them all - its amazing how many sites get declined because the submitter didnt do these quick checks - it is also important to make sure you clear your cache before you do this so you are really looking at what is on the server and not what is on your computer This step should take around 30 minutes. 9. Submit doorways - this step takes from 10 min to 30 min dependant on if you do the submits all by hand or use a robo form filler, and how many LLs you submit to. 10. Repeat the next day - max one hour a day for submits for the next 88 days. And rotate through the niches - dont send 10 free sites in a row advertising the same sponsor in the same niche - mix them up every day - for the link lists that have bookmarkers - the surfers will recognize the "style and sponsor" and just close out and move on 11. This is the most important part of the free site game - watch your server stats and clicks/sales at the sponsor. This will give you the two most important pieces of info you will need in the future - first - are you being listed? Of course - keep in mind that LLs can take anywhere from 3 days to 3 months to list free sites with a few that are within the first day. Read your emails - Linklists ask for your email address so that if there is a problem with the site they can email you If you do not see your sites being listed, based on server stats, and you have waited at least 3 days then come over here and post questions. Sponsor stats - keep in mind different sponsors record hits differently - some use the raws to the first page, some uniques, some uniques to the second page etc. - This is key information you need to know up front - you cant calculate how much you are really making per hit to sponsor if you dont know how they track hits. For the first month don't get too hung up on making sales right off - although there are Linklists I can tell you that you will make on average $10 per submit - it is an average and taken over a months worth of submits. The reason for watching all of the statistics on your free sites is trying to figure out if there is something inherently wrong with the template design - or something that needs to be changed in the advertising text - or more importantly - if there is a problem with the sponosr and you just need a different site to promote - but as always - there is a rule of thumb for when to start worrying about conversion rates With free sites listed on good linklists with plenty of search engine niche traffic - my recommendation is to send at least 5k unique hits before making a decision that a sponsor is working or not for that niche - some say 10k but that I think would be for more general traffic.If you find the right combination - you will know it after the first month - and make sure that you write down or keep the stats in a spreadsheet (dont rely on "Ill remember that one forever" - it doesnt work) 12. Finally - the time to go back and start tweaking - since you have all this free time now - and youve got good stats after at least a month - look at what pages did sell - your sponsors stats should tell you what pages sent the sales - and then make sure that all of your pages are optimized to those pages that are making sales and change the ones that dont 13. Review your niches after 3 months - did you make the right decisions for niches? Are the sponsors selling? 14. With the answers to 13 above - start making changes to the templates. 15. Repeat |
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