Is the DoJ going to bust the search engines

cherri · 2005-06-24, 03:35 PM

I was curious and was wondering if search engines were complient. Yahoo isn't!
http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...i=UTF-8&save=0

MadMax · 2005-06-24, 03:41 PM

That issue has been getting tossed around since last summer, and I doubt the DOJ wants to pick a fight with them...they have too much money to fight back.

Wenchy · 2005-06-24, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

That issue has been getting tossed around since last summer, and I doubt the DOJ wants to pick a fight with them...they have too much money to fight back.

That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

The DOJ has really painted themselves into a corner here. There are no simple answers, no easy ways out, and no justifiable means for them to force group A to be compliant without also forcing group B to follow suit. IMHO, it would be in the DOJ's best interest to go after a couple of SEs... talk about headline grabbers!

But that's just my opinion... your mileage may vary

intillus · 2005-06-24, 03:47 PM

Thats what I was thinking too. It would be alot easier for the DOJ to go after a few small timers and make a precedent. Then to go after yahoo or google.

intillus · 2005-06-24, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wenchy

That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

The DOJ has really painted themselves into a corner here. There are no simple answers, no easy ways out, and no justifiable means for them to force group A to be compliant without also forcing group B to follow suit. IMHO, it would be in the DOJ's best interest to go after a couple of SEs... talk about headline grabbers!

But that's just my opinion... your mileage may vary

Problem is, the DOJ know the amount of $$ yahoo & google have for their legal defense. If they go after a SE and lose that precedent would be huge for webmasters. They wouldnt want to take a chance at going against a big SE when they could take a smaller risk with a better potential for victory.

cherri · 2005-06-24, 03:53 PM

Using this evidence though could help a webmasters case how easy is it to go to a search engine and find these pics. To find out a webmaster isnt compliant is alot harder.

babymaker · 2005-06-24, 03:54 PM

yahoo still has the adult groups up i have 3

they host 'em

and they are adult sites, so either they think 2257 is BS or have a special deal like the FSC lol i don't know

Boogie · 2005-06-24, 04:02 PM

The problem is the engines cannot/willnot be pro-active because attacking the DOJ over this is not something they can afford in a world full of bad press and right wing media.

MadMax · 2005-06-24, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wenchy

That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

While this is true, selective enforcement is practiced every day at every level of the Criminal "Justic" (sic) System, from prosecutors getting to decide what they will and will not charge someone with to a traffic cop being able to give you a warning instead of a ticket when you both know damned well you ran that red light.

RawAlex · 2005-06-24, 04:24 PM

Yahoo groups are an interesting situation. Depending on how you look at it, yahoo is but a distributor, not a publisher. As the operator of the group, you are the publisher.

Good luck.

Alex

Cleo · 2005-06-24, 04:25 PM

Yahoo did pull all their groups

Toby · 2005-06-24, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

Yahoo did pull all their groups

Adult Yahoo Groups are all still there. What was pulled were individual user created chat rooms.

Cleo · 2005-06-24, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

Adult Yahoo Groups are all still there. What was pulled were individual user created chat rooms.

The groups never worked on a Mac so I've never looked at them. The only reason that I knew something got pulled is because Angel hung out in the tranny ones and she called me when the ones that she hung out disappeared. Angel said that there aren't any tranny ones anymore.

Toby · 2005-06-24, 04:58 PM

You cant use their group search for adult groups, so it's pretty hard to tell what groups may have been removed unless you happened to be a member of one or more that were, like Angel was.

babymaker · 2005-06-24, 05:02 PM

yea, they pull different ones all the time, but no major shut-down yet from 2257. wonder who is the publisher alex as i never used my real name or anyother info when opening a yahoo account plus the host them on their servers i think they would be the producer not sure?

Tommy · 2005-06-24, 06:04 PM

they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

Jim · 2005-06-24, 06:23 PM

So, hardcore thumbs are fine on yahoo but not for us?
Bring it on Cocksuckers

Tommy · 2005-06-24, 06:26 PM

thats how I read it

ArtWilliams · 2005-06-24, 07:16 PM

No, the DOJ are going to go after those terrible porn peddlers who run the cable companies and tv stations! Let's make sure every cable, VHS and UHF station manager have their docs ready for the feds!

---art

tickler · 2005-06-24, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by artwilliams

No, the DOJ are going to go after those terrible porn peddlers who run the cable companies and tv stations! Let's make sure every cable, VHS and UHF station manager have their docs ready for the feds!

---art

I think Bush should be forced to watch the Showcase channel 24/7. |shocking|

Maybe we could get Ed The Sock to do a little blurb about 2257.

Maj. Stress · 2005-06-25, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

Search engines have the same option we have when it comes to providing images. Either show them and produce documentaion or not show them. I don't think they should get a free ride on this one.

babymaker · 2005-06-25, 01:46 AM

so can i open a link dump??

let any cocksucker dump a link to anything and have no control and i will be compliant, maybe i wil open like 20

Vink · 2005-06-25, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

I don't see how google can say they can't manage sexually explicit content. They do it all day long with
"SafeSearch Filtering"
"Google's SafeSearch blocks web pages containing explicit sexual content from appearing in search results."

In google images type in "jizz face" see the results you get with safe searching on then type it in with off. It looks like they're managing sexual explicit content to me.

MadMax · 2005-06-25, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

I would argue that this doesn't apply, since they do in fact manage the content of their search results which is where the hardcore images appear. If they want to claim that they don't, they can publish their algo

SirMoby · 2005-06-25, 02:13 PM

Google and Yahoo both have enough money to fight it and win so it makes no difference if they are exempt or not. There are smaller search engines and sites that they may go after but if they do and loose then it opens the door for a million new sites to open up and use a similar technology.

When you think about a thumb TGP it's very possible that they could be exempt as well if they're designed properly.

2005-06-24, 03:35 PM	#1
cherri WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: May 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 48	Is the DoJ going to bust the search engines I was curious and was wondering if search engines were complient. Yahoo isn't! http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...i=UTF-8&save=0

2005-06-24, 03:47 PM	#4
intillus Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 24	Thats what I was thinking too. It would be alot easier for the DOJ to go after a few small timers and make a precedent. Then to go after yahoo or google. __________________ <font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"> <a href="http://www.findyourfetish.com/links/webmasters.shtml">Submit your free & avs sites here</a></font>

2005-06-24, 03:54 PM	#7
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	yahoo still has the adult groups up i have 3 they host 'em and they are adult sites, so either they think 2257 is BS or have a special deal like the FSC lol i don't know __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-06-24, 04:02 PM	#8
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2005-06-24, 04:25 PM	#11
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2005-06-24, 03:41 PM	#2
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	That issue has been getting tossed around since last summer, and I doubt the DOJ wants to pick a fight with them...they have too much money to fight back.

2005-06-24, 03:53 PM	#6
cherri WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: May 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 48	Using this evidence though could help a webmasters case how easy is it to go to a search engine and find these pics. To find out a webmaster isnt compliant is alot harder.

2005-06-24, 04:24 PM	#10
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Yahoo groups are an interesting situation. Depending on how you look at it, yahoo is but a distributor, not a publisher. As the operator of the group, you are the publisher. Good luck. Alex

2005-06-24, 04:58 PM	#14
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	You cant use their group search for adult groups, so it's pretty hard to tell what groups may have been removed unless you happened to be a member of one or more that were, like Angel was. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-24, 05:02 PM	#15
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	yea, they pull different ones all the time, but no major shut-down yet from 2257. wonder who is the publisher alex as i never used my real name or anyother info when opening a yahoo account plus the host them on their servers i think they would be the producer not sure? __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-06-24, 06:04 PM	#16
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	they are exempt v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service. __________________ Accepting New partners

2005-06-24, 06:23 PM	#17
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	So, hardcore thumbs are fine on yahoo but not for us? Bring it on Cocksuckers

2005-06-24, 06:26 PM	#18
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	thats how I read it __________________ Accepting New partners

2005-06-24, 07:16 PM	#19
ArtWilliams You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 6,244	No, the DOJ are going to go after those terrible porn peddlers who run the cable companies and tv stations! Let's make sure every cable, VHS and UHF station manager have their docs ready for the feds! ---art

2005-06-25, 01:46 AM	#22
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	so can i open a link dump?? let any cocksucker dump a link to anything and have no control and i will be compliant, maybe i wil open like 20 __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-06-25, 02:13 PM	#25
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	Google and Yahoo both have enough money to fight it and win so it makes no difference if they are exempt or not. There are smaller search engines and sites that they may go after but if they do and loose then it opens the door for a million new sites to open up and use a similar technology. When you think about a thumb TGP it's very possible that they could be exempt as well if they're designed properly.