OK, so what do you guys really think of illegal tube sites?

[xxxjay]

I have an almost psychotic hated of the illegal ones.

I know that there are a lot of old-schoolers here that I'm sure hate them, but I also suspect - with the changing enviroment, that many of you may also be working on your own right now.

I've got a little legal tube site. It doesn't do dick for traffic or sales. My linklist still makes the cash.

Add your 2 cents here...

[Toby]

Illegal tube sites are quickly becoming enemy #1 of content producers. Those same content producers are beginning to organize to collectively combat stolen content. Those within the industry that are supporting tubes sites and other content theives (AFF, Brazzers, etc.) may soon find themselves high on that list as well.

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[spacemanspiff]

I hate them.

I see a lot of people touting them as the next model for this business, comparing them to TGP's and link lists, and that we should embrace them as the future. I just don't understand that attitude. Why in the fuck would a surfer pony up for a paysite when they can get all that content for free.

I've seen where some of the programs that are supporting tube sites by allowing them to promote their programs as long as they only use short teaser clips claim that they have to do it to protect their content, and that they sincerely hope that the tube sites will do the same with all the videos.

That's a bunch of horseshit. Without the full length videos, that traffic will quickly dry up, and the tube site basically becomes a TGP.

[NY Jester]

I hear that same bullshit spaceman...I dont think illegal tube sites will EVER be a replacemenet for TGP..and I hear the argument about it being a more lucrative mgp..BULLSHIT..not if the content is member side content..the only way that a tube site can work is if gives credit where credit is due..that means the video clip is used in conjunction with links back to the sponsor and/or site it was initially used to promote. But to have clips longer then 2 minutes is certainly not going to get guys cashing in. unless you think coverting 1:20,000 is making good bank.

On a side note...being the step-father of an 11th grade high school boy..I hear all the "sites" that the kids visit..and the tube sites are big on the list...so not only is it bad for business, but its also a 'goto' place for underaged kids to get a hold of porn..in one place without having to search like mad for a sneak peak at a tit. ..and its not just porn..there are hundreds of sites that have access to current release movies, TV shows etc.

[ArtWilliams]

There is no business model for tube sites with stolen content. They'll last about as long as fusker sites.

[Licker4U]

Isn't this thread I thought there was a thread not too long ago that pretty much covered this issue and most agreed that tube sites were bad for the industry. If I knew how to search I would be able to find it....Hot damn, here it is..

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ght=tube+sites

[Ramster]

Don't like them for the obvious reason that most are cheaters. I've seen your site Jay and it is nice but as you said it doesn't build traffic unless you give it all away. Glad you haven't gone that way.

I might build a niche one someday but I doubt it.

[Greenguy]

I think my view on ALL tube sites is pretty well known

[Useless]

I used to be completely anti-tube, no matter if it was legal or packed full of stolen movies. I've changed my stance on that. I don't at all mind or care about legal tube sites. I don't think I would want to trade traffic between a tube and link list or TGP because I feel the tube would win. But it's a modern format and it certainly isn't going away. I think Preacher said that his very first affiliate sale for Cum Hungry Pornstars came from your SnizzShare Video Tube, so obviously, tubes, when administrated properly, do produce sales.

The illegal tubes, however, are the current scourge of the industry. I've seen you trying to discuss this issue at the zoo as well Jay, but those unwashed, racist heathens aren't really equipped for a serious discussion on what is wrong or right in this business.

Those big illegal tubes have gained so much traffic, so damn quickly, it's actually painful to look at their Alexa graphs. We can thank them for running all that traffic through a freeloader filter and making them all nearly unconvertible. Meanwhile, Alexa graphs for The Hun and Persian Kitty show a decline. Is there a correlation between the two?

Honestly, I can't say that I know how to do anything about the illegal tubes. I think going after their advertisers may be the best bet, even though that too proves to be a difficult thing to do. I think I saw a link on the zoo to an article about AFF being sued for willfully advertising on illegal tube, but I've been staying up way too late, so I may have been hallucinating.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Honestly, I can't say that I know how to do anything about the illegal tubes. I think going after their advertisers may be the best bet, even though that too proves to be a difficult thing to do. I think I saw a link on the zoo to an article about AFF being sued for willfully advertising on illegal tube, but I've been staying up way too late, so I may have been hallucinating.

I still think that mass reporting 2257 violations to the FBI might be fun.

The only need to jail a few of the uploaders with Bubba, and a lot of people will be diving for cover.

[Bill]

Hate em.

Still looking at the ways the people doing them could be destroyed.

I doubt fbi 2257 attacks could work. The fbi is useless.

I think attacking the money is the best bet. Find the profit chain and break it.

[Toby]

2257 is not the answer. The vast majority of these illegal tube sites are owned/operated outside the US, so no 2257 inspection.

Go after the money.

[Bobc01]

I think they're too much of a threat in many different ways, especially with all the do gooders complaining about how porn is so freely available to minors etc.

It's an attitude of "who gives a fuck, if it all crashed tomorrow, we've made our money so bollox."

Just to add, i was reading a local paper a few weeks ago about a high school where the pupils had been found viewing porn on tube sites.

As usual, it starts to kick off complaints about porn and how it should be banned from the net which in their eyes is purely for education blah blah.

[RageCash-Ben]

I think they are the scum of the industry. Just like the sponsors which enable them to monetize their sites. To me the best theoretical way to hit them would be via their advertisers.

[LeRoy]

So far the Tube Site have been a thorn in the side for webmasters.

If Shnizz site encoded the uploaded clip to link to lets say "arizona amateurs" with my ref code. Hell yah I'd lick your balls to upload clips there.

Is there a compromise? Maybe possibly some day someone will come up with something.

Tube sites have hit top google spots in porn, xxx, ect .

So its toe to toe time.

Who has bigger pockets?

Who works harder? How are we to convince surfers the LL is better than the tube sites?

Is it time to make bumper stickers? "Support you local LL owner"

[Jel]

Illegal tube sites are the same as illegal anything sites. It's not the fact they are tube sites, it's the fact they are thieves, regardless of the platform used to deliver the stolen content. So my answer to 'what do you think of illegal tube sites' would be the same answer to the question 'what do you think of illegal (x) sites' - ie, they are scummy thieving cunts.

[LD]

Originally Posted by Jel

Illegal tube sites are the same as illegal anything sites. It's not the fact they are tube sites, it's the fact they are thieves, regardless of the platform used to deliver the stolen content. So my answer to 'what do you think of illegal tube sites' would be the same answer to the question 'what do you think of illegal (x) sites' - ie, they are scummy thieving cunts.

What do you think of bank robbers?

[fresh]

i have the worst view towards them because they steal content and sales of course. Also negative to legal tube sites who gives longer than 2minute clips

[ArtWilliams]

They have to be a temporary phenomena. If you can get all the full length videos you want from a tube site then who in their right mind is going click on a sponsor link there? The bandwidth cost for these guys must far out way their commissions. TGPs work on slim margins with high traffic volumes and bandwidth costs. The CTR on tube sites must be a fraction of TGPs. I know in the short term this doesn't help any of us but over time these sites will likely disappear. Am I missing something here?

[Tanker]

I hate the illegal tube sites for sure. there ruining a lot of business in a time when there are more and more surfers coming online for the first time ever we should be seeing serious increases in sales industry wide but its too easy to get it all for free from them so its not even close to the sales growth EVERYONE should be seeing

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Toby

2257 is not the answer. The vast majority of these illegal tube sites are owned/operated outside the US, so no 2257 inspection.

Go after the money.

I HAVE heard and I am stil awaiting details, that there is a service (already available) that will go after illegal tube sites and split the money 50/50 that they earn sueing them.

If this is the case, I'm signed up already.

Seeking more info right now.

I've heard you have to be the copyright owner to benift from this.

It's only $40 bucks a domain, even with bought or leased content, to ride this train.

[Casa Nova]

Illegal tube sites are definitely not the future of this industry like some idiots seem to think lately. The Freeage that is sweeping through the internet lately with youtube, free large email storage like gmail & yahoo works for them in mainstream because they have people to advertise. These illegal tube sites on the other hand in our industry aren't going to be getting enough funding to stay afloat until they start charging, getting more sponsors etc, which I don't think will happen. With that said though in the meantime something does need to be done. Going and reporting them for 2257 isn't going to work. It may but definitely not immediately, you have to take a look at it's negatives on society & relate it to the everyday internet surfer and citizen. Give them a reason to want it taken down.

So after considering all the negatives on the everyday surfer the biggest one is that these illegal tube sites provide extremely easy access to under age children to full porn movies. No age verification whatsoever. You think if most parents with the internet new this that they wouldn't make a fuss about it? They would and you know it, the thing is not enough of them know about it, so all we really have to do is make them more aware of it. Start writing to your local newspapers not as webmaster but as a parent concerned that your children have access to these sites without any credit card or anything to verify there age etc. Get it in the media so the Government is forced to look at this as an issue, because they will begin to get pressure from parents. Once that happens then maybe the FBI will be forced to crackdown on the 2257 issues on these sites & finally have a hand in shutting them down.

Just a thought, I'm sure there may be some flaws in it though.

[jonnydoe]

Originally Posted by Toby

Those within the industry that are supporting tubes sites and other content theives (AFF, Brazzers, etc.) may soon find themselves high on that list as well.

Fuck me once...shame on you, fuck me twice...shame on me (in regards to AFF)...you have to wonder. They did the Zango and now this but they are also an OTC stock (Penthouse) I believe now. I wonder what the shareholders think of massive copyright infringement lawsuits?

[SCORE-Cash]

I hate them! enough has been said above.

The real question now is how the hell do we convert 20 something and the up and comming 18 years old males to actually buy porn, when they can jack to Tube sites, Torrents, and newsgroups.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

I hate them! enough has been said above.

The real question now is how the hell do we convert 20 something and the up and comming 18 years old males to actually buy porn, when they can jack to Tube sites, Torrents, and newsgroups.

I have a confession to make: One of the first things I did as a first-time computer owner in the early 90's was get on some newgoups, download some porn, and whack it.