Is there a Avs forum / thread?

ritto · 2006-06-10, 03:43 PM

Hi folks - my first post here, be gentle with me

I'm a part time webmaster but I've been doing it for a number of years. My question is quite simple. I used the search facility here and entered the 3 letters AVS. Not a single post.

Most of the money I make off the net is from AVS sites. Am I the only one using AVS instead of the classic free sites or tgp sites? Surely not!

Maybe there is a forum/thread on here that I havnt found yet, although I've been lurking in the background for a good few weeks - sorry.

Some of you that visit other boards may know me as mr_ritto :-)

Tommy · 2006-06-10, 05:48 PM

hasnt anyone told you..... avs died :-)

a couple years ago
I think it was a CC failure or blockage

anyway welcome to the board
and welcome to 2006

ritto · 2006-06-10, 06:33 PM

I wish I knew what CC meant? Help|confused|

AVS allows me to publish my own micro niche sites, sites I cant find sponsors for as they are too specialsied. To me its like having my own paysite without the hassles of the payment issue, the avs company does that for me, phew

For webmasters that used to do small (20 to 30 pics) avs sites then yes, I will to a certain extent extent agree that AVS is slow. But then again I will disagree as many of the small sites Ive made just keep generating traffic to my bigger and preferred sites. Traffic generation, thats how I view the small sites.

When I speak of AVS site's I do refer to the big ones, sometimes referred to as gold or premium. Thay have the biggest signup payments. I get $30 per signup and £20 per month for recurring clients, from the AVS company I use (and I havnt mentioned the name). To me thats equal or near as good as the average affiliate sponsor.

Still though, I#'m surprised theres not more talk or chat about such a money earner for us adult webmasters here.

Tommy · 2006-06-10, 06:43 PM

what company are you using ???

SirMoby · 2006-06-10, 11:58 PM

CyberSexNetwork still has excellent retention

There's not much about AVS on this board any more but there are a few boards with information.

Ms Naughty · 2006-06-11, 01:36 AM

I'm still making money on avs sites I set up years ago. The model isn't dead, it's just not very popular anymore.

RedCherry · 2006-06-11, 01:37 AM

Welcome Ritto!

I too do AVS sites. You might not have found any posts because AVS might be too short of word to search on is my guess. There are a few of us that do them, but not as many as were 3 or 4 years ago.

AVS is not dead, I have a few premium AVS sites that do very well Tommy, in fact this month I've earned more income off my AVS sites then any 1 other sponsor.

I use Net Verifier they pay $20 per sign-up and $15 / month rebill, and I agree with Ritto, I do micro-niches that I can't find paysites to promote and promote myself. I'd build paysites, but don't have enough content to really do these niches justice, so premium AVS sites fill that void.

Jim · 2006-06-11, 09:19 AM

First, welcome to GGandJ, ritto

Next, I think it has been a long time since anyone even mentioned AVS. I know there was a lot of talk at one time here but it must have been a few years ago when we lost everything.

Linkster · 2006-06-11, 11:10 AM

I would venture a guess that Tommy still makes a huge amount of money off his AVS sites

I seem to remember a few hundred or thousand that he had out there

karomesis · 2006-06-11, 12:17 PM

Quote:

but it must have been a few years ago when we lost everything.

Jim, do you mean the forum?

Tommy · 2006-06-11, 01:46 PM

a couple years ago i was bringing in around 20 to 25k a month from
from my avs sites

and that was only the money from surfers signing up to get in to the sites

then maybe another 5 to 10 k from ads inside the sites

they now maybe make 1k a month
and thats a big maybe

RedCherry · 2006-06-11, 03:56 PM

So many of the companies went belly up. I had sites listed with a lot of different AVS systems that folded a few years ago. I had some up until last year with a company that sites I was making good rebills just suddenly stopped and I finally realized they folded up too.

I've never had luck with CyberAge, I know a lot have done well, but I stick now with Net Verifier and a few with Pro Adult. I think the "free" or basic AVS systems really took a dump, but I think the premium AVS system are still doing well for those of us that appreciate all the free plug-in content the model offers for your sites, and allows you to do micro niche sites without a ton of content.

I'm getting ready to do a few more premium AVS sites in the next few months...one I'm really excited about that will have all custom exclusive content, that I hope to turn into a paysite eventually. I build all of them with that in mind, putting the AVS on a subfolder, so if I turn the root url into a paysite, I can always upsell to it in the future.

Steve · 2006-06-11, 04:21 PM

I also still make money with premium AVS sites. I treat them as a mini paysite with regular content updates sometimes with exclusive content. AVS is not as popular as it once was but you can still make money with it.

ritto · 2006-06-12, 06:31 AM

So there are still a few of us doing AVS, good to hear it. I'm also pleased to hear that there are a lot less doing it then in previous years, that can only be good news for those of us left :-)

For whatever reasons, AVS is the only adult business model that has ever made me any money. I tried free sites, tgp, tgp2 (a blast from the past?), one page wonders, etc. All with very sporadic results.

Then I did some part time work for another webmaster helping to promote his AVS site. That was me, I was hooked. A month later I had my first premium site up and it started to sell. I was lucky in that I chose a very tight niche purely by accident (no prior research).

When looking for new ideas for future sites this is what I do. Go to a few content providers and buy the strangest looking material they have. Not necessarely the hardest hardcore, or the most perverted, but something that makes you stop dead in your tracks, some thing that grips your curiosity. If it got you it will surely get your surfers. Ensure you can purchase sets within the chosen niche that add up to at least 300 to 400 photos so you have enough to qualify for a gold/premium avs site (with the biggest payouts). The content I tend to choose is so hard to find I usually have to visit many content providers, purchasing sets from a number of sites.

Once I've built a new site I spend at least a solid month promoting it. No more building, just promotion. Its boring, mindless, sheer monotony but worth every minute to build up a recurring customer base.

Recurring customers. I make nigh on ten times more each month from my recurring customers than I do in new sales. This fact really surprises me and not one that I had anticipated. I've one avs site with only 15 recurring customers. At $20 per member thats $300 per month for me for doing absolutely nothing. A few more sites like that and I'll be a happy chappy.

As far as I'm aware I'm using the avs company with the biggest payouts. Someone already mentioned it in this thread, cybersexnetworks I really hope they dont go out of business soon as I've currently got all my eggs in the one basket. Time to broaden my financial base if I really do intend to do adult webmastering on a full time basis (currently part time, what with family commitments and all that).

All the best from a lovely and sunny Scotland :-)

virgohippy · 2006-06-12, 02:34 PM

I've been curious about AVS ever since I poked my head into this biz, but I've never been able to gather together a solid enough understanding of how to do business with 'em to seriously consider doing one. I half thought AVS sites were dead, except I do see many of 'em still around.

Could any of you fine webmasters please refer me to some guides?

ritto · 2006-06-12, 04:53 PM

Hi there virgohippy

Email me at webmaster 'at' hairypoo.com and I'll be your mentor. As I mentioned in a previous post it was another webmaster that introduced me to the world of AVS sites and its about time I repaid that debt by offerring to help someone new to the avs business model.

Its actually quite fun as you get to choose what your site is all about, the design, how many ads, what kind of content, add in private members features. It really is just like having your own paysite. You make the rules :-)

Shoot me an email and I'll start sharing the knowledge I've gained. Dont be shy, I dont bite :-)

Cleo · 2006-06-12, 05:12 PM

I was just starting to make some decent money with CyberAge when everything imploded.

I no longer do anything involving avs.

virgohippy · 2006-06-12, 05:48 PM

Ritto, email sent. Thanks for the offer.

Cleo, why do you no longer work with AVS? Is it a trust issue? If you're working with the survivng AVS programs, how is this any different then having a bunch of freesites pointing to sponsors that go belly-up?

Cleo · 2006-06-12, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Cleo, why do you no longer work with AVS? Is it a trust issue?

Nothing to do with trust.

AVS was forced to change how they work due to the billing companies and some other things. Their new business model just didn't work with the way I needed things to work with the way my business was done.

I miss AVS but I either had to change the way I did things or give up on AVS.

I think if you dod some searches on this board going back a a few years you will find threads on when things got changed that you can read through to understand how things changed.

virgohippy · 2006-06-12, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo

I think if you dod some searches on this board going back a a few years you will find threads on when things got changed that you can read through to understand how things changed.

I can't seem to find much of anything about AVS when I do searches. I think I just don't know what terms to use... |confused|

Surfn · 2006-06-13, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

I can't seem to find much of anything about AVS when I do searches. I think I just don't know what terms to use... |confused|

I remember the threads Cleo is referring to but I can remember if they were before the board crashes?

Trev · 2006-06-13, 03:52 AM

Virgohippy, searching for AVS alone seems to return nothing (to few letters? *shrugs*) , try searching for some of the avs' names... I just did one for cyberage for a year or more ago and came up with these 3. I think they are some of the ones Cleo and Surfn are talking about, as I recall.
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage

virgohippy · 2006-06-13, 04:50 AM

Thanks for the tip Trev.

I think I'm beggining to see why there's so much hesitation to get into AVS. It's because of the sheer potential for cheating, am I right?

I notice there were a lot of references to Visa. I'll look into that s'more later, but is it safe to say that the market conditions which caused so much turmoil back then have probably changed by now?

Papa · 2006-06-13, 08:28 AM

Netverifier ?

They are not excepting sites anymore

ritto · 2006-06-13, 03:29 PM

virgohippy

I'm not 100% sure on the history but this is the way I read it. One big avs company went a little strange and dumped most of its webmasters (together with their sites). Not very nice but then this kind of upheavel appens in other parts of the webmaster worlrd.

I remember a big adult sponsor(possibly ars but dont quote me on that), not an avs system, who did something that upset just about every webmaster that used them. And a mainstream affiliate network, currently doing something similiar (they have 2 letters in their name, the first is the letter c).

Basically shit happens, and its us webmasters who have to bare the brunt of the upheavels, be it changing all our linking codes or finding completely new sponsors to link our sites too (again, changing linking codes). I see no distinction with these upheavels, whether they be AVS, adult paysites, or mainstream.

The real answer is to not have all your eggs in one basket. Unfortunatly most of my income comes from the one source, and I'm not too happy about it. I'm trying to branch out just in case the shit hits the fan. I'm not expecting it but I dont want to remain vulnerable as I am just now.

I know you've been trying free sites and to be honest I think you should still stick at it. Do try AVS as well. I know which will be more successful and fufilling, both in the short and long term. Well, to be honest that will be the one that makes the most money :-)

To answer the original question. I dont see any potential for cheating within the avs system, or at least no more than with the other main route ie promoting adult paysites.

The references to visa go back a few years (or it feels that long). Visa suddenly didnt want to be associated with processing payments from adult sites. That left a lot of sponsors with a billing issue and there was a scramble to find new processing companies for the credit card transactions. I'm not positive but I think that meant a lot of webmasters suddenly lost a lot of their recurring customers, who were using a visa card for their monthly subscriptions.

That had a negative effect on both adult site sponsors as well as AVS systems.

I seem to be defending avs systems, lol. And why not. I'm a part-time webmaster and I just put $700 of cheques into the bank today - from my AVS sites

2006-06-10, 03:43 PM	#1
ritto Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	Is there a Avs forum / thread? Hi folks - my first post here, be gentle with me I'm a part time webmaster but I've been doing it for a number of years. My question is quite simple. I used the search facility here and entered the 3 letters AVS. Not a single post. Most of the money I make off the net is from AVS sites. Am I the only one using AVS instead of the classic free sites or tgp sites? Surely not! Maybe there is a forum/thread on here that I havnt found yet, although I've been lurking in the background for a good few weeks - sorry. Some of you that visit other boards may know me as mr_ritto :-)

2006-06-10, 05:48 PM	#2
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	hasnt anyone told you..... avs died :-) a couple years ago I think it was a CC failure or blockage anyway welcome to the board and welcome to 2006 __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-06-10, 06:43 PM	#4
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	what company are you using ??? __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-06-11, 01:36 AM	#6
Ms Naughty old enough to be Grandma Scrotum Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,408	I'm still making money on avs sites I set up years ago. The model isn't dead, it's just not very popular anymore. __________________ Promote Bright Desire

2006-06-11, 01:37 AM	#7
RedCherry Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV Posts: 3,187	Welcome Ritto! I too do AVS sites. You might not have found any posts because AVS might be too short of word to search on is my guess. There are a few of us that do them, but not as many as were 3 or 4 years ago. AVS is not dead, I have a few premium AVS sites that do very well Tommy, in fact this month I've earned more income off my AVS sites then any 1 other sponsor. I use Net Verifier they pay $20 per sign-up and $15 / month rebill, and I agree with Ritto, I do micro-niches that I can't find paysites to promote and promote myself. I'd build paysites, but don't have enough content to really do these niches justice, so premium AVS sites fill that void. __________________ Our 3D Comics and Props on Renderotica

2006-06-10, 06:33 PM	#3
ritto Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	I wish I knew what CC meant? Help\|confused\| AVS allows me to publish my own micro niche sites, sites I cant find sponsors for as they are too specialsied. To me its like having my own paysite without the hassles of the payment issue, the avs company does that for me, phew For webmasters that used to do small (20 to 30 pics) avs sites then yes, I will to a certain extent extent agree that AVS is slow. But then again I will disagree as many of the small sites Ive made just keep generating traffic to my bigger and preferred sites. Traffic generation, thats how I view the small sites. When I speak of AVS site's I do refer to the big ones, sometimes referred to as gold or premium. Thay have the biggest signup payments. I get $30 per signup and £20 per month for recurring clients, from the AVS company I use (and I havnt mentioned the name). To me thats equal or near as good as the average affiliate sponsor. Still though, I#'m surprised theres not more talk or chat about such a money earner for us adult webmasters here.

2006-06-10, 11:58 PM	#5
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	CyberSexNetwork still has excellent retention There's not much about AVS on this board any more but there are a few boards with information.

2006-06-11, 09:19 AM	#8
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	First, welcome to GGandJ, ritto Next, I think it has been a long time since anyone even mentioned AVS. I know there was a lot of talk at one time here but it must have been a few years ago when we lost everything.

2006-06-11, 11:10 AM	#9
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	I would venture a guess that Tommy still makes a huge amount of money off his AVS sites I seem to remember a few hundred or thousand that he had out there __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-06-11, 01:46 PM	#11
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	a couple years ago i was bringing in around 20 to 25k a month from from my avs sites and that was only the money from surfers signing up to get in to the sites then maybe another 5 to 10 k from ads inside the sites they now maybe make 1k a month and thats a big maybe __________________ Accepting New partners

2006-06-11, 03:56 PM	#12
RedCherry Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of the Desert, Pahrump, NV Posts: 3,187	So many of the companies went belly up. I had sites listed with a lot of different AVS systems that folded a few years ago. I had some up until last year with a company that sites I was making good rebills just suddenly stopped and I finally realized they folded up too. I've never had luck with CyberAge, I know a lot have done well, but I stick now with Net Verifier and a few with Pro Adult. I think the "free" or basic AVS systems really took a dump, but I think the premium AVS system are still doing well for those of us that appreciate all the free plug-in content the model offers for your sites, and allows you to do micro niche sites without a ton of content. I'm getting ready to do a few more premium AVS sites in the next few months...one I'm really excited about that will have all custom exclusive content, that I hope to turn into a paysite eventually. I build all of them with that in mind, putting the AVS on a subfolder, so if I turn the root url into a paysite, I can always upsell to it in the future. __________________ Our 3D Comics and Props on Renderotica Last edited by RedCherry; 2006-06-11 at 03:59 PM.. Reason: why do I keep spelling niche as nice?

2006-06-11, 04:21 PM	#13
Steve Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 61	I also still make money with premium AVS sites. I treat them as a mini paysite with regular content updates sometimes with exclusive content. AVS is not as popular as it once was but you can still make money with it.

2006-06-12, 06:31 AM	#14
ritto Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	So there are still a few of us doing AVS, good to hear it. I'm also pleased to hear that there are a lot less doing it then in previous years, that can only be good news for those of us left :-) For whatever reasons, AVS is the only adult business model that has ever made me any money. I tried free sites, tgp, tgp2 (a blast from the past?), one page wonders, etc. All with very sporadic results. Then I did some part time work for another webmaster helping to promote his AVS site. That was me, I was hooked. A month later I had my first premium site up and it started to sell. I was lucky in that I chose a very tight niche purely by accident (no prior research). When looking for new ideas for future sites this is what I do. Go to a few content providers and buy the strangest looking material they have. Not necessarely the hardest hardcore, or the most perverted, but something that makes you stop dead in your tracks, some thing that grips your curiosity. If it got you it will surely get your surfers. Ensure you can purchase sets within the chosen niche that add up to at least 300 to 400 photos so you have enough to qualify for a gold/premium avs site (with the biggest payouts). The content I tend to choose is so hard to find I usually have to visit many content providers, purchasing sets from a number of sites. Once I've built a new site I spend at least a solid month promoting it. No more building, just promotion. Its boring, mindless, sheer monotony but worth every minute to build up a recurring customer base. Recurring customers. I make nigh on ten times more each month from my recurring customers than I do in new sales. This fact really surprises me and not one that I had anticipated. I've one avs site with only 15 recurring customers. At $20 per member thats $300 per month for me for doing absolutely nothing. A few more sites like that and I'll be a happy chappy. As far as I'm aware I'm using the avs company with the biggest payouts. Someone already mentioned it in this thread, cybersexnetworks I really hope they dont go out of business soon as I've currently got all my eggs in the one basket. Time to broaden my financial base if I really do intend to do adult webmastering on a full time basis (currently part time, what with family commitments and all that). All the best from a lovely and sunny Scotland :-) Last edited by ritto; 2006-06-12 at 07:28 AM..

2006-06-12, 02:34 PM	#15
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I've been curious about AVS ever since I poked my head into this biz, but I've never been able to gather together a solid enough understanding of how to do business with 'em to seriously consider doing one. I half thought AVS sites were dead, except I do see many of 'em still around. Could any of you fine webmasters please refer me to some guides? __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-06-12, 04:53 PM	#16
ritto Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	Hi there virgohippy Email me at webmaster 'at' hairypoo.com and I'll be your mentor. As I mentioned in a previous post it was another webmaster that introduced me to the world of AVS sites and its about time I repaid that debt by offerring to help someone new to the avs business model. Its actually quite fun as you get to choose what your site is all about, the design, how many ads, what kind of content, add in private members features. It really is just like having your own paysite. You make the rules :-) Shoot me an email and I'll start sharing the knowledge I've gained. Dont be shy, I dont bite :-)

2006-06-12, 05:12 PM	#17
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I was just starting to make some decent money with CyberAge when everything imploded. I no longer do anything involving avs. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2006-06-12, 05:48 PM	#18
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	Ritto, email sent. Thanks for the offer. Cleo, why do you no longer work with AVS? Is it a trust issue? If you're working with the survivng AVS programs, how is this any different then having a bunch of freesites pointing to sponsors that go belly-up? __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-06-13, 03:52 AM	#22
Trev Is it over already? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the beautiful shores of Lake Erie Posts: 890	Virgohippy, searching for AVS alone seems to return nothing (to few letters? shrugs) , try searching for some of the avs' names... I just did one for cyberage for a year or more ago and came up with these 3. I think they are some of the ones Cleo and Surfn are talking about, as I recall. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=cyberage __________________ Hey buddy... can you spare a sig?

2006-06-13, 04:50 AM	#23
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	Thanks for the tip Trev. I think I'm beggining to see why there's so much hesitation to get into AVS. It's because of the sheer potential for cheating, am I right? I notice there were a lot of references to Visa. I'll look into that s'more later, but is it safe to say that the market conditions which caused so much turmoil back then have probably changed by now? __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-06-13, 08:28 AM	#24
Papa Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 190	Netverifier ? They are not excepting sites anymore __________________ Make 700$ per sale Deluxe Jap sex dolls

2006-06-13, 03:29 PM	#25
ritto Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 29	virgohippy I'm not 100% sure on the history but this is the way I read it. One big avs company went a little strange and dumped most of its webmasters (together with their sites). Not very nice but then this kind of upheavel appens in other parts of the webmaster worlrd. I remember a big adult sponsor(possibly ars but dont quote me on that), not an avs system, who did something that upset just about every webmaster that used them. And a mainstream affiliate network, currently doing something similiar (they have 2 letters in their name, the first is the letter c). Basically shit happens, and its us webmasters who have to bare the brunt of the upheavels, be it changing all our linking codes or finding completely new sponsors to link our sites too (again, changing linking codes). I see no distinction with these upheavels, whether they be AVS, adult paysites, or mainstream. The real answer is to not have all your eggs in one basket. Unfortunatly most of my income comes from the one source, and I'm not too happy about it. I'm trying to branch out just in case the shit hits the fan. I'm not expecting it but I dont want to remain vulnerable as I am just now. I know you've been trying free sites and to be honest I think you should still stick at it. Do try AVS as well. I know which will be more successful and fufilling, both in the short and long term. Well, to be honest that will be the one that makes the most money :-) To answer the original question. I dont see any potential for cheating within the avs system, or at least no more than with the other main route ie promoting adult paysites. The references to visa go back a few years (or it feels that long). Visa suddenly didnt want to be associated with processing payments from adult sites. That left a lot of sponsors with a billing issue and there was a scramble to find new processing companies for the credit card transactions. I'm not positive but I think that meant a lot of webmasters suddenly lost a lot of their recurring customers, who were using a visa card for their monthly subscriptions. That had a negative effect on both adult site sponsors as well as AVS systems. I seem to be defending avs systems, lol. And why not. I'm a part-time webmaster and I just put $700 of cheques into the bank today - from my AVS sites