Punish parents who allow kids access to porn

tickler · 2009-03-03, 09:32 PM

Yeah parents should monitor their kids closely regarding porn, and other things.

But, throw them in jail, put them on sex offenders list.

WTF

It seems like every normal person in the comments thinks the politicians are idiots

Bill defines kids' access to porn as child abuse
Child care providers or parents who allow children access to pornography would be guilty of child abuse and listed on the state's child abuse registry, under legislation being considered by lawmakers.

Some say the bill could be interpreted so broadly that even a child who sneaks a peek at a Playboy magazine could push parents into legal turmoil. The legislation is not clear on whether it includes explicit material a child might discover on the Internet.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...WS10/903030375

whitey · 2009-03-04, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tickler

Yeah parents should monitor their kids closely regarding porn, and other things.

But, throw them in jail, put them on sex offenders list.

WTF

It seems like every normal person in the comments thinks the politicians are idiots

Bill defines kids' access to porn as child abuse
Child care providers or parents who allow children access to pornography would be guilty of child abuse and listed on the state's child abuse registry, under legislation being considered by lawmakers.

Some say the bill could be interpreted so broadly that even a child who sneaks a peek at a Playboy magazine could push parents into legal turmoil. The legislation is not clear on whether it includes explicit material a child might discover on the Internet.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...WS10/903030375

If you read it closely, it is not the legislators but a crusader. And, crusaders everywhere, regardless of their issue, always present a threat to freedom.

Pagan · 2009-03-04, 10:28 AM

Get used to such stuff in a big government society. I don't like it, but I am afraid we are going to see more attempts like this to regulate our daily lives. Sadly, whitey, these are lawmakers in Iowa that are looking to pass the bill through their legislature. I do hope their state supreme court will overturn it as being unconstitutional (against freedom of speech and right to free press).

At the same time, it reminds us - parents ARE responsible for what their children are exposed to. Here in Texas, parents are allowed to give their kids alcohol. Is it right? I would not give my kids alcohol. Did we get into alcohol at home. Heck yeah. I think all kids do. Difference between sneaking it and having it handed to us. Parents do need to start being parents and taking care of their offspring.

InfoGuy · 2009-03-04, 11:48 AM

Stupid legislation like this gives kids more power than their parents. I know someone who as a teen had his father arrested because he made up some b.s. about his father beating him. The repercussions from such a law could cause innocent people to lose their jobs if their employers ran a background check.

whitey · 2009-03-04, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pagan

Get used to such stuff in a big government society. I don't like it, but I am afraid we are going to see more attempts like this to regulate our daily lives. Sadly, whitey, these are lawmakers in Iowa that are looking to pass the bill through their legislature. I do hope their state supreme court will overturn it as being unconstitutional (against freedom of speech and right to free press).

At the same time, it reminds us - parents ARE responsible for what their children are exposed to. Here in Texas, parents are allowed to give their kids alcohol. Is it right? I would not give my kids alcohol. Did we get into alcohol at home. Heck yeah. I think all kids do. Difference between sneaking it and having it handed to us. Parents do need to start being parents and taking care of their offspring.

I generally agree with your premise. Government has been getting more intrusive, alarmingly so, since 1992.

As far as this particular law in Iowa, I seriously doubt it goes anywhere. I actually live in the state now, having lived in DTW, NYC, LA, and Chicago. About the most civil libertarian place I have lived, so I believe that some legs will give it lip service and the bill will disappear. That is beside the point, however, as you are pointing out.

I actually wrote a few articles a few years ago about the danger of the anti-smoking laws. The only Constitutional basis for enforcing a ban on smoking on someone's private property ( a bar, lounge, etc.) are employee health concerns as codified in OSHA. But, the proponents of the anti-smoking law appealed to two very scary premises that have implications beyond that law.

1. The reliance on a statistical social/health concern to regulate everyone by pursuading the majority it is the right thing to do. The above example is such a case, and the number of laws relying on that logic and marketing strategy that are now proposed are alarming.

2. The abandonment of the concept of liberty for some scary majority rules concept of democracy. As the founding fathers of the US warned, it is as important to protect the few from the tyranny of the many as it is to protect the many from the tyranny of few. We seem to want desparately, in the US, to abandon half of that concept of liberty.

And, crusaders for some cause, often times silly, use this newfound weakness in US society to pursue their causes.

Mike-mijen · 2009-03-04, 04:44 PM

I'm wondering if all this big government is what the founding fathers had in mine? The Declaration Of Independence says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
When are we going to wake and do whats right!

InfoGuy · 2009-03-04, 05:37 PM

Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution

Bill · 2009-03-04, 06:56 PM

I like the idea, and we webmasters should support it.

Afer we get a bunch of parents in jail for not having their browsers set properly, I think the resulting debate will be hilarious.

Bill · 2009-03-04, 06:58 PM

Do all you big government guys want a hanky or something?

Here, let me put on some violin music - there you go. Now lets see some tears.

tickler · 2009-03-04, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

I like the idea, and we webmasters should support it.

Except if you read through the comments, some of the "surfers" seem to think that this is also a backhand way to get rid of porn entirely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

Afer we get a bunch of parents in jail for not having their browsers set properly, I think the resulting debate will be hilarious.

Lock & Load!

Pagan · 2009-03-04, 10:19 PM

Bill, when the government makes laws about how parents should treat their offspring, I have a problem with it. Parents create the little monsters and expect the "government" to do everything for them, then they whine because the kids don't learn in school or misbehave, or get into drugs/porn/crime. Since when did the government become the caretaker, nanny, and virtual parent?

As an adult webmaster, it is my responsibility to make sure my sites are properly tagged and labeled. I VOLUNTARILY register them with ICRA. It is NOT my responsibility to police what Junior is doing behind his parent's back and I highly resent the use of my tax dollars in such a manner.

Sadly, though, we are in an administration that does believe in big government that tries to regulate everything possible. Our President is young enough to not understand fully that people need to have the freedom to fail and make mistakes. They need to use their own judgement and not rely on foolish laws that don't do anything but intrude on civil rights. I honestly believe that every law should be put to the "harm" test. What is the harm to the general population if this law is not passed? (Thinking traffic laws here.. building codes, things that impact groups of people, not families). Will it tread on our precious civil rights? If it doesn, it isn't worth enacting. This Iowa thing falls into the latter category. The general population feels no pain if is not passed, and it restricts freedom of speech.

Let parents do what they are supposed to do, and government can get back to work.

Useless · 2009-03-05, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pagan

Sadly, though, we are in an administration that does believe in big government that tries to regulate everything possible.

All presidential administrations, starting right after George Washington left office, have believed in big government and controlling every facet of life. The founding fathers were only idealists until they had the reigns in their hands. That's a fact.

I think some of you (Mike) are nuts. It's a little scary to see someone quoting the DoI and calling for revolution over a little piece of bound-to-fail legislation.

h3ads.com · 2009-03-05, 09:17 AM

WTF??

Mike-mijen · 2009-03-05, 10:04 AM

[quote=Useless Warrior;44330

I think some of you (Mike) are nuts. It's a little scary to see someone quoting the DoI and calling for revolution over a little piece of bound-to-fail legislation.[/QUOTE]

No I am not nuts just pissed off how this country has been run for the past 30 years. I served my country in the Navy and Army. I feel that I have earned the right maybe just a little to be pissed off. I love my country. I just not sure about the government.

Tommy · 2009-03-05, 11:14 AM

do you think it would stand up in court

you go to jail because of the actions of another person

we can treat 14 year olds as adults when we are outraged about the crime but if that same person looks at some tities they are no longer responsible for their actions ... someone else is

we got some whackjobs in this country ..........

Useless · 2009-03-05, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike-mijen

No I am not nuts just pissed off how this country has been run for the past 30 years. I served my country in the Navy and Army. I feel that I have earned the right maybe just a little to be pissed off. I love my country. I just not sure about the government.

I'm a veteran too, so that doesn't pull shit with me. Every citizen, whether they have spent years doing military service or not, has an equal right to complain about what they don't like, just as every citizen has the right to disagree.

30 years, 60 years, 200 years -- doesn't matter how long, this country has always been run this way. No matter what the founding documents elude to, there is no right to revolt. That's why no one does. They'll shoot you for holding protest signs on a college campus.

All I'm saying is that it seems odd to yell 'Jihad' over something as silly as this news story.

whitey · 2009-03-05, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

All presidential administrations, starting right after George Washington left office, have believed in big government and controlling every facet of life. The founding fathers were only idealists until they had the reigns in their hands. That's a fact.

Very true, very true. Fortunately, we have had one typically populist President (even though I am not a huge fan of populist demagouges) that kind of rolls things back once a generation.

But, alluding to your later post, the concept that we will ever truly rebel is a bit idealistic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

do you think it would stand up in court

you go to jail because of the actions of another person

we can treat 14 year olds as adults when we are outraged about the crime but if that same person looks at some tities they are no longer responsible for their actions ... someone else is

we got some whackjobs in this country ..........

Quote of the day and to the point.

walrus · 2009-03-05, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

do you think it would stand up in court

you go to jail because of the actions of another person

we can treat 14 year olds as adults when we are outraged about the crime but if that same person looks at some tities they are no longer responsible for their actions ... someone else is

we got some whackjobs in this country ..........

Unfortunately, I do. If not now in the not too distant future.

Here in Ca. if your teenager decides to ditch a few classes and gets caught he spends time in detention. The parent pays a huge fine.

boobookitty · 2009-03-05, 05:35 PM

I think it is a matter of degree..
Exposing small children to sexual situations is considered negligence under the law (at least it was in the state where I took child-abuse classes) and will result having your children removed.
But there is a big difference between having porn movies on a computer your six year old can get to, vs Junior at the age of 16 looking at my pictures and rubbing one out.
Personally if I were a parent, I'd be more worried about Junior playing Grand Theft Auto in his room and fantasizing about killing people, than I would about him looking at my tits.

But for whatever reason unknown to me, fantasizing about killing people is a lot more socially acceptable than fantasizing about fucking them.

InfoGuy · 2009-03-05, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tickler

Yeah parents should monitor their kids closely regarding porn, and other things.

But, throw them in jail, put them on sex offenders list.

WTF

It seems like every normal person in the comments thinks the politicians are idiots

Bill defines kids' access to porn as child abuse
Child care providers or parents who allow children access to pornography would be guilty of child abuse and listed on the state's child abuse registry, under legislation being considered by lawmakers.

Some say the bill could be interpreted so broadly that even a child who sneaks a peek at a Playboy magazine could push parents into legal turmoil. The legislation is not clear on whether it includes explicit material a child might discover on the Internet.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...WS10/903030375

If parents should go to jail for letting their minor children look at porn, then parents should also go to jail for letting their minor children have sex. There's no denying that Sarah Palin's daughter was pregnant at 17. So using the reasoning that children looking at sex is considered child abuse argument, letting minor children have sex should be considered a more severe form of child abuse. Let's lock up Todd and Sarah Palin and put them on a public sex offender list. The conservatives / religious / right-wing nuts are such a bunch of hypocrites.

tigermom · 2009-03-06, 02:15 AM

I think the American government should put an end to all free porn on the internet. Imagine if only people with credit cards could view the actual hardcore stuff...

tickler · 2009-03-06, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tigermom

I think the American government should put an end to all free porn on the internet. Imagine if only people with credit cards could view the actual hardcore stuff...

I think most teens now have Visa/MC debit cards.

th3g4me · 2009-03-07, 01:06 AM

Now having many web sites with adult content I dont want any one underage looking at them. That being said... When I was 14 I got my first computer. The same day I was looking for porn online. Go figure.

I do believe if parents start getting busted when their kids look at porn we will see the rules loosen a little bit. People may back off of the industry a bit?

2009-03-03, 09:32 PM	#1
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2009-03-04, 10:28 AM	#3
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,648	Get used to such stuff in a big government society. I don't like it, but I am afraid we are going to see more attempts like this to regulate our daily lives. Sadly, whitey, these are lawmakers in Iowa that are looking to pass the bill through their legislature. I do hope their state supreme court will overturn it as being unconstitutional (against freedom of speech and right to free press). At the same time, it reminds us - parents ARE responsible for what their children are exposed to. Here in Texas, parents are allowed to give their kids alcohol. Is it right? I would not give my kids alcohol. Did we get into alcohol at home. Heck yeah. I think all kids do. Difference between sneaking it and having it handed to us. Parents do need to start being parents and taking care of their offspring. __________________ Submit Here!

2009-03-04, 11:48 AM	#4
InfoGuy I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 297	Stupid legislation like this gives kids more power than their parents. I know someone who as a teen had his father arrested because he made up some b.s. about his father beating him. The repercussions from such a law could cause innocent people to lose their jobs if their employers ran a background check. __________________ Free Speech Coalition \| Boycott .XXX / ICM Registry

2009-03-04, 05:37 PM	#7
InfoGuy I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 297	Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution __________________ Free Speech Coalition \| Boycott .XXX / ICM Registry

2009-03-04, 06:56 PM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I like the idea, and we webmasters should support it. Afer we get a bunch of parents in jail for not having their browsers set properly, I think the resulting debate will be hilarious. Last edited by Bill; 2009-03-04 at 07:04 PM.. Reason: a lousy misspelling

2009-03-04, 04:44 PM	#6
Mike-mijen What do you mean, my birth certificate expired? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fla Posts: 995	I'm wondering if all this big government is what the founding fathers had in mine? The Declaration Of Independence says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." When are we going to wake and do whats right!

2009-03-04, 06:58 PM	#9
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Do all you big government guys want a hanky or something? Here, let me put on some violin music - there you go. Now lets see some tears.

2009-03-04, 10:19 PM	#11
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 4,648	Bill, when the government makes laws about how parents should treat their offspring, I have a problem with it. Parents create the little monsters and expect the "government" to do everything for them, then they whine because the kids don't learn in school or misbehave, or get into drugs/porn/crime. Since when did the government become the caretaker, nanny, and virtual parent? As an adult webmaster, it is my responsibility to make sure my sites are properly tagged and labeled. I VOLUNTARILY register them with ICRA. It is NOT my responsibility to police what Junior is doing behind his parent's back and I highly resent the use of my tax dollars in such a manner. Sadly, though, we are in an administration that does believe in big government that tries to regulate everything possible. Our President is young enough to not understand fully that people need to have the freedom to fail and make mistakes. They need to use their own judgement and not rely on foolish laws that don't do anything but intrude on civil rights. I honestly believe that every law should be put to the "harm" test. What is the harm to the general population if this law is not passed? (Thinking traffic laws here.. building codes, things that impact groups of people, not families). Will it tread on our precious civil rights? If it doesn, it isn't worth enacting. This Iowa thing falls into the latter category. The general population feels no pain if is not passed, and it restricts freedom of speech. Let parents do what they are supposed to do, and government can get back to work. __________________ Submit Here!

2009-03-05, 09:17 AM	#13
h3ads.com Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Buenos Aires ~ Argentina Posts: 19	WTF?? __________________ Sales @ H3ads.com

2009-03-05, 10:04 AM	#14
Mike-mijen What do you mean, my birth certificate expired? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fla Posts: 995	[quote=Useless Warrior;44330 I think some of you (Mike) are nuts. It's a little scary to see someone quoting the DoI and calling for revolution over a little piece of bound-to-fail legislation.[/QUOTE] No I am not nuts just pissed off how this country has been run for the past 30 years. I served my country in the Navy and Army. I feel that I have earned the right maybe just a little to be pissed off. I love my country. I just not sure about the government.

2009-03-05, 11:14 AM	#15
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	do you think it would stand up in court you go to jail because of the actions of another person we can treat 14 year olds as adults when we are outraged about the crime but if that same person looks at some tities they are no longer responsible for their actions ... someone else is we got some whackjobs in this country .......... __________________ Accepting New partners

2009-03-05, 05:35 PM	#19
boobookitty A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 51	I think it is a matter of degree.. Exposing small children to sexual situations is considered negligence under the law (at least it was in the state where I took child-abuse classes) and will result having your children removed. But there is a big difference between having porn movies on a computer your six year old can get to, vs Junior at the age of 16 looking at my pictures and rubbing one out. Personally if I were a parent, I'd be more worried about Junior playing Grand Theft Auto in his room and fantasizing about killing people, than I would about him looking at my tits. But for whatever reason unknown to me, fantasizing about killing people is a lot more socially acceptable than fantasizing about fucking them.

2009-03-06, 02:15 AM	#21
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	I think the American government should put an end to all free porn on the internet. Imagine if only people with credit cards could view the actual hardcore stuff... __________________ XLEF

2009-03-07, 01:06 AM	#23
th3g4me Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 121	Now having many web sites with adult content I dont want any one underage looking at them. That being said... When I was 14 I got my first computer. The same day I was looking for porn online. Go figure. I do believe if parents start getting busted when their kids look at porn we will see the rules loosen a little bit. People may back off of the industry a bit?