The way guys think about woman

[stuveltje]

acck i am bugging the dutch newspapers online, i dont know its the same in usa, but when a newsmessage is posted in the newspapers online all people can post an answer back.
What i have bin notiching the last months in the newspapers, is that the dutch guys realy hate the dutch girls, reason, they think they have a big mouth and an opinion of their own, seems the dutch guys prefer asian or other foreign girls, because they do all for the guys.......for real i need to post on that and i did, is it for real, that a guy hates a woman because she has her own opinion, do you realy as a guy prefer a woman who do all for you?...i can imaging the conversations you will have as a guy comming home from work and you start a conversation with your wife and she will only answer you like this" yes dear, you are right ...shall i get an other beer for you?....where is your self respect as a guy, now i realy wanna know, do you guys prefer a woman..who has a opinion of herself and can make a seriouse conversation with and also make her own money...or do you prefer a woman who do all for you...and for real this is an seriouse question, because in holland the dutch guys realy think low of the dutch woman who have her own opinion and make money herself.And me thinking i live in an normal country, well if you follow the dutch news.....dutch guys realy hate dutch women

[Bill]

Stu, most of the men who comment on the news are brainless idiots.

That's certainly true here in the us. The frothing-at-the-mouth haters are the ones who do all the yak yak yak.

However, it is arguably true that most men are dickheads. It's a bell curve thing.

Most women are equally nasty. Bell curve again. By definition, most people are not all that smart, and most people are not all that mature.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Bill

Stu, most of the men who comment on the news are brainless idiots.

That's certainly true here in the us. The frothing-at-the-mouth haters are the ones who do all the yak yak yak.

However, it is arguably true that most men are dickheads. It's a bell curve thing.

Most women are equally nasty. Bell curve again. By definition, most people are not all that smart, and most people are not all that mature.

yeah i know what you mean but this wasnt never the deal in holland, and now for months i see those postings and i post back, hell this eve, 4 times my post got rejected...got me almost on that point that i was going to use bad names, why my post didnt got accepted and i stayed nice....still its stupid, i cant imaging men thinking that bad about woman, hell you wanna have a spouse who make money too and has an own opinion..is it realy that bad that men want women who do all for them....if thats so...hell talking about self respect then, and on this moment i am talking about the dutch men....they are realy some low life guys!

[Cleo]

Reading the science news lately it's starting to look like men are being depreciated...

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Reading the science news lately it's starting to look like men are being depreciated...

Yes thats exactly how i think when i read the dutch news....but then also i think they are insulting to women...and i cant stand that.

[stuveltje]

strange is if you behave as a woman from the 1940...means you take care of the householt and kids then its no good, but if you work and make money and have a on opinion then its also no good, now guys nag about woman what they want, but hell what do guys want?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Reading the science news lately it's starting to look like men are being depreciated...

"being depreciated" - an odd choice of phrasing?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

now guys nag about woman what they want, but hell what do guys want?

Sadly, the "war between men and women" is only going to get way way worse.

The economic collapse that is happening is hitting men, especially the less bright men, especially hard. All the types of jobs that dumb men used to be able to get are dissappearing.

Most of the anger between men and women is economic in nature - and this will get way worse in the next few decades.

It's all about economics, and paying for breeding, and breeding choices - and the less bright men are going to do worse and worse at this for a long time.

This means the hate will get way worse.

[stuveltje]

i remember a fight i had with hubby when i had the age of 19...he said " you need me" i said i need you for what?..i said i can make my own money and a dick i can buy.......i know bad thing, but hell how he could think i needed him? maybe the way we grew up, my dad learned my mom and learned me to make money, his dad always thought he was the one who deal with all..but for real when i read the reaction from guys about dutch women i can spit fire!.So when you are a woman and make money and you have your own opinion you suck? hell not!But probably we go back in the 1940's.

[stuveltje]

my hubby and me are the same, he respects me and i respect him...my vision about his work helps him to deal with it, his vision about my work..well thats an whole other deal, he doesnt care about it, still he respect my opinion, what he do with it is his deal not mine....but i thought i lived in a country where a womens point of view is accepted, well i thought wrong!If i was a guy and had a wife with an own opinion and made money...i would be proud as a dog with 7 dicks...oke thats a dutch saying

[nate]

"but hell what do guys want?"

Dont bug us while we're jacking off. Thats tops on my list. And yes, I know Im old enough to be her father.

OTOH, I'm half hillbilly and half caveman. so I have a perfectly legitimate excuse for everything.

[ecchi]

Personally I could never stand the sort of woman who just lets herself be used as a doormat, about as much fun as an inflatable sex doll. I used to say that I was one of the few people in the world who could say with absolute certainty that they would never end up as a wife beater, not because I am better than that, but because if I did get married and started beating my wife either she would leave me, or I would loose all interest in her because she was the sort of person who let her husband beat her, and I would leave.

However I have got to the age where I am very set in my ways and want everything my own way, so if I were to get married now it would have to find a woman who demanded everything to be exactly the way she wanted it, but by a lucky coincidence always wanted things exactly the same way that I wanted them.

So you won't be surprised to learn that I am still single!

[bluebrit]

Mutual respect is a great thing in principal but it rarely runs a perfect course. Personally however, I am all for it.

Some of the girls I know have a right to deserve my respect. They are very good at what they do and in some cases they can do their jobs better than the guys they work alongside or have replaced.

If the dutch guys don't respect their girls they are crazy. I love the dutch girls
Apart from being very intelligent, they are as tall as I am on average and for the most part, they're also very damned attractive.

It sounds like the dutch guys don't know when they have a good thing going lol.

[dunc]

I love all women, absolutely fucking love them (especially ones in stockings and heels )

Nah - but seriously, I think there is more respect in the younger generations for women... 20 - 25, much more than when I was that age, but my generation was influenced by the older generations (my mother wasn't even allowed into the pub when she married my father) - In my generation that attitude mellowed, possibly the previous generation too, and hopefully that influenced the generations below us etc.

Its like a knock on thing - I know it sounds all hippy'ish and that - but we, the people, are the only ones who can really effect any significant change (over time of course).

Now - that started off as a joke, and got a bit deep... that means its time for a beer and a scoob

[miz_wright]

Sure, there are men that want a "traditional" wife/ partner - and there are those women who love to fulfill that role. I suspect there is a certain amount of self-selection going into those responses, due to the nature of the article as a whole.

I agree that the economic question has a lot to do with it - in nations, financial support is the measure of manliness. Women in positions of economic power and independence creates a complete paradigm shift in how gender roles are interpreted/ enacted. I think it will take a while to have that sorted out - it's not been that long since these shifts started happening on a widely accepted scale, and it will take a few generations to catch up and breed out the bias in perception.

[SirMoby]

Many people post on the Internet what they would never say in person.

However, things have changed and some men find it very difficult. I'm happy with my partner. We're not the same and may not even be equal but we're partners, sure seem equal and work together on everything. We help each other. She takes on most of the roles of child care, cleaning and being the nurturer in the family. I earn the money, do the cooking and treat her like a lady.

She has a strong opinions and I love hearing them.

With many men that can't cook, clean or nurture children they have a very hard time with women that can earn money. For generations that's been the man's job and if she can do better in that area then he is obsolete in many ways.

If the man isn't a protector and provider then women don't need him for the traditional family nucleus.