Dont submit sites with cheater LLs recips

[Linkster]

Im noticing a growing number of submits with LLs recips from cheaters LLs. Submitters might take a look at the cheaters forum here to see the different LLs that have been listed in the past for reasons ranging from stealing recips from existing LLs to multisubmitters. Ive sent out an email to one submitter this morning and when I see more I will try to contact the submitter - but I would recommend that submitters do a little research as well.

Added - if I see three of your LLs listed in the recips - the free sites will be trashed

[XPorn]

I agree. Recip tables with cheater LLs and other various LLs are getting all sorts of free sites declined.

XPorn

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Im noticing a growing number of submits with LLs recips from cheaters LLs. Submitters might take a look at the cheaters forum here to see the different LLs that have been listed in the past for reasons ranging from stealing recips from existing LLs to multisubmitters. Ive sent out an email to one submitter this morning and when I see more I will try to contact the submitter - but I would recommend that submitters do a little research as well.

Added - if I see three of your LLs listed in the recips - the free sites will be trashed

I'll second that 100%.

[MrYum]

Agreed

Seems to have become even more of an issue recently

[odysseus]

You know, I hadn't considered that there would be cheater LL's that are banned like that. I know that some LL's have specific sites listed in their rules that I've tried to be conscious of, but I'm going to go double check my recips now. Thanks for the info Linkster.

[jds]

I just realized what a severe biz it was to submit free sites

[Yahook]

Good measure agaisnst multisubmitters

Linkster, it would be good idea if somebody collects all these links and info about multisubmitters in one place (one page).

[Linkster]

Yahook - that would be complicated as we would only be listing ones that were actually complained about here in the cheaters forum

Most of the multisubmitters and cheaters LLs never get put out publicly by some LL owners - remember some of these cheating LLs are ones that copied a specific LL's recips or something like that and there are a lot of LL owners posting on this board who dont care that they cheat.
Its a shame but I guess what goes around comes around as those same LL owners will find getting trades a tad bit harder

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Yahook - that would be complicated as we would only be listing ones that were actually complained about here in the cheaters forum

Most of the multisubmitters and cheaters LLs never get put out publicly by some LL owners - remember some of these cheating LLs are ones that copied a specific LL's recips or something like that and there are a lot of LL owners posting on this board who dont care that they cheat.
Its a shame but I guess what goes around comes around as those same LL owners will find getting trades a tad bit harder

linkster it's easy to forget some, I should have wrote them down, a few come to mind...

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Yahook - that would be complicated as we would only be listing ones that were actually complained about here in the cheaters forum

Most of the multisubmitters and cheaters LLs never get put out publicly by some LL owners - remember some of these cheating LLs are ones that copied a specific LL's recips or something like that and there are a lot of LL owners posting on this board who dont care that they cheat.
Its a shame but I guess what goes around comes around as those same LL owners will find getting trades a tad bit harder

I agree. That's one of the biggest mistakes some owners make. If you want good trades you need to run a tight ship...nuff said

[Basic_man]

Hi Linkster, I got your email. I'm in the process of doing a complete whole start with my freesites (new kind of templates, new text links recips, etc).

I'm sorry if I was listing you with cheaters, I didn't noticed that. I'll be doing a new database too, and I'll pick all the LLs one by one. Can you tell me how to find LLs cheaters ? What's a cheaters for you ?

Thanks, and have happy holidays !

[odysseus]

Originally Posted by Basic_man

Can you tell me how to find LLs cheaters ?

I'd like to be pointed in the right direction too. I read the Possible Cheaters forum last night and most of what I saw was different email addresses used by mulitisubmitters. I made note to stay away from LL's associated with those domains, but if there is another thread or forum I missed, I'd be happy to read it.

[porno0net]

I have been thinking a central blacklist database that everyone could use and integrate it to their scripts.

Would this be good idea?

I know about http://bl.usefulscripts.com/ and its good but i cant but
it in my script for automated cheater check.

Just my 2 thoughts before xmas and mary xmas to everyone

[Linkster]

In answer to the question about LLs that cheat and how to find them - there is a small issue in that while most will blacklist a LL for stealing/copying somebodies LL recips (like has happened in the past for Hoes and Cleos and a few others) there are link list owners out there that dont care about that and will continue to list free sites using those stolen recips or other copyright infringements etc.

I dont pretend to be the Link List cop and making a central database would just be asking for trouble in my opinion as out of the hundreds of link lists out there that would use it - I can guarantee based on posts Ive seen here that there are link lists owners that would list anything as long as it has a recip to their site and has 4 pages - all they care about is having the recips for their misconceptions of search engine positioning LOL

[Useless]

I think all reviewers have in mind a small group of recips that they don't want to see on any site submitted to them. Some for business reasons. Some for personal reasons. Naming names can start an ugly shit storm, so let me be the first one to fling poo. The following are no secret. This is an exact excerpt from Filthy Earl's rule page:

- Submissions with a recips to any of the following link lists will not be accepted:
>> Cherry Picked Links - stolen recip code
>> Porn Fresh - stolen domain
>> Fetish Crawler - stolen domain
>> J Loves Porn - spamming fucktard

You don't have to memorize these to submit to me. My script will block your submission and tell you so if one of them is present.

[Linkster]

I would add these to the list - just some quick ones I found in the cheaters forum:
fuckthensuck
linksforadult
flashinglinks
webadultlinks

Im pretty sure they were added because of being multisubmitters using fake names and emails

[Surfn]

I have a couple dozen but I won't and don't publicize which ones

In addition to the ones already mentioned above...

[Basic_man]

Thanks for the reply, I'm deleting them from my database...

Surfn, if you could send me an email with the domains.. that would be appreciated.

manuel [at] simplyadultdesign (dot) com

Merry Xmas to everyone

[Mr. Blue]

I submit to a very small list of LL's...so I don't really worry much about submitting to a cheater link list because it's such a small tight list of well respected places.

However, if you are going to toss a freesite for having cheater recips, etc. Shouldn't you just post a list of LL you have trouble with on your rules page? I mean, if they cheat, just throw them under the bus and be done with it.

A lot of people don't read forums that often (heathens) and they just wouldn't realize a place is cheating. Basically...embrace the UW methodology of, they cheat, therefore I post their names.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Linkster

In answer to the question about LLs that cheat and how to find them - there is a small issue in that while most will blacklist a LL for stealing/copying somebodies LL recips (like has happened in the past for Hoes and Cleos and a few others) there are link list owners out there that dont care about that and will continue to list free sites using those stolen recips or other copyright infringements etc.

But there are also linklist owners who weren't around for some of these infractions. For instance I've seen a good deal of LL rules that say no 'Cherry Picked Links' but I had no idea why. I actually thought it may be a CP thing.

I remember someone copying Cleo's recips and if I noticed that I probably would have mentioned something to the submitter.

I guess my point is, some LL owners -- like myself -- are just as clueless about which LL's are considered cheaters. I appreciate the lists You and Useless put down below and I'll try to keep a better eye out for those sites. So it may not be that we don't care, but that we are just not informed.

BTW: I know fuckthensuck used to be in my recip tables, I had no idea...

-Preacher

[Linkster]

Mr Blue - basically in answer to your question about just tossing the free sites - since I work only with partner submitters - I do (and did in this case) send an email to the submitter to let them know for each and every case

I think that it would be tough to say - here's a list - because again a lot of LL owners dont consider copying somebodies recips a "cheating infraction" or they simply dont care as evidenced by their continual listings of sites that do have those recips - and yes these would be LL owners that do know about the occurences and even posted in the threads way back

[Jel]

I name the LLs I will decline a freesite for having their recips on the same page as mine on my rules page, seems I need to add a few more

Damn that's such a fucked up sentence I gotta leave it there just to confuse people. I'll start again....

I state on my rules page which recips will cause a decline, seems I need to add a few

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Mr Blue - basically in answer to your question about just tossing the free sites - since I work only with partner submitters - I do (and did in this case) send an email to the submitter to let them know for each and every case

yeah you run a good show and I know you would toss an email if something was up.

I think that it would be tough to say - here's a list - because again a lot of LL owners dont consider copying somebodies recips a "cheating infraction" or they simply dont care as evidenced by their continual listings of sites that do have those recips - and yes these would be LL owners that do know about the occurences and even posted in the threads way back

Yeah, I understand that it's not everyone's rule...but that's why there's rule pages for every LL. I mean I submit to FilthyEarl, if I see on his rule page that he doesn't want his LL associated with x, y, z, etc...I won't put the recips with his. When someone says, so and so, cheated on their rule page, I'll usually look it up and drop them from my submit list if it's something I deem cheating as well.

I don't know, it just seems like a new LinkList is popping up daily now. It's getting hard to keep track of the players.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I don't know, it just seems like a new LinkList is popping up daily now. It's getting hard to keep track of the players.

70%-90% of those new LLs will fade into nothingness as their owners relize how much work it really is to run a LL. Plus, you've got to focus on getting traffic to give away for free, which is a concept some people don't find too appealing once they get right down to it

Theiving motherfuckers who can't be bothered to design their own recips should be taken out and buried in a pit of scarabs.

Link list owners that multisubmit (like fuckthensuck.com) are just fucking uncivilized.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by MadMax

70%-90% of those new LLs will fade into nothingness as their owners relize how much work it really is to run a LL. Plus, you've got to focus on getting traffic to give away for free, which is a concept some people don't find too appealing once they get right down to it

Theiving motherfuckers who can't be bothered to design their own recips should be taken out and buried in a pit of scarabs.

Link list owners that multisubmit (like fuckthensuck.com) are just fucking uncivilized.

Well said Max

With a minor addition...add a fire ant mound in with the scarabs

Running a link site is definitely not for the feint of heart or those looking for a quick buck. It's more of a long LONG term love/hate kinda thang...lol.