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RawAlex · 2005-03-16, 11:50 AM

Adultmastercash, TGPs and link sites CANNOT and DO NOT control the content of the sites they link to. They review them when the list them, and some dishonest fuckers actually go back and change the sites. It isn't the TGP owner or his "employees" doing it... it is a third party. THEY DON'T CONTROL IT. When they spot it, they pull it down.

Your site. Your program. Your responsiblity. Your thieving meta tags. Nobody else to blame (unless you want to use the standard "outside contractor" BS that often seems to be the case).

You tried, you got caught, be a man, live up to it, fix it, and try to move on before more people decide not to list your stuff.

Alex

SirMoby · 2005-03-16, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultMasterCash

But legality checking was made providing no words from particular list are contained in metategs.

You're speaking about a legal issue when everyone else is speaking about ETHICS! Study the word and the practice before you loose ALL webmasters.

AdultMasterCash · 2005-03-16, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You tried, you got caught, be a man, live up to it, fix it, and try to move on before more people decide not to list your stuff.
Alex

I will not argue with this "you tried".
You want to believe it - it is your holy right.
I admitted all the faults we have done and we have fixed them once have been awared of this thread. I will never admit we could even think to put these words on our site - because we couldn't. It has a bad side - we could not think anyone will do it as well. We were wrong - it was the lesson we have learned well. But if you expect me to shot myself because of this - I won't do it, sorry. I have admitted all our own mistakes but I won't feel sorry for every single thing you could think about me personally or our team.

It is up to you to work with us or not. Want to think we're "fucking russian cheaters" - think it and be happy. People who work with us for some time and had an opportunity to ensure we're fair partners will not allow this stupid incident to confuse their oppinion about us.

Good luck.

AdultMasterCash · 2005-03-16, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

You're speaking about a legal issue when everyone else is speaking about ETHICS! Study the word and the practice before you loose ALL webmasters.

If you could tell me what UNETHICAL in that you have not fixed the thing you have not know about - I will of course agree with you.

You do not believe we had not know about these fucking tegs - see the post above.

Kinky · 2005-03-16, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultMasterCash

Want to think we're "fucking russian cheaters" - think it and be happy. People who work with us for some time and had an opportunity to ensure we're fair partners will not allow this stupid incident to confuse their oppinion about us.

Good luck.

WTF? who said ANYTHING ABOUT RUSSIA???? you admitted that it was a mistake that should not have happened, but people that have been in this business for a long time and have VERY VERY close relationships with some of the sites that were infringed upon will not take it lightly.... if you run a sponsor program KNOW WHAT YOUR PROGRAM IS DOING as you are liable for it

Jaden · 2005-03-16, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultMasterCash

You have reviewers you are sure competent enough to complete relatively simple work. Do you think it would be wise to follow each of them and check everything they do?

Ummmm yeah...I have to say I do think it would be wise. Especially if you are putting your name and reputation behind it....

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Originally Posted by AdultMasterCash

Just like you would not ever check
words Queen of England on free sites submitted to you (for example)

And you think that LL's don't??????? How do you think so much of this stuff gets found in the first place.

Jaden

AdultMasterCash · 2005-03-16, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kinky

WTF? who said ANYTHING ABOUT RUSSIA???? you admitted that it was a mistake that should not have happened, but people that have been in this business for a long time and have VERY VERY close relationships with some of the sites that were infringed upon will not take it lightly.... if you run a sponsor program KNOW WHAT YOUR PROGRAM IS DOING as you are liable for it

Okay. I have been awared about this issue - ETHICAL issue like SirMoby mentioned - and it was fixed immediately. I have admitted we're fucked up being not knowing what is placed to one of our site's metategs. I brought my apologies to every webmaster who have been offended with it. I am serious about financial compensation to any party involved.
However you guys continue to blame on us. Fine, seems the matter is not in the problem itself because problem itself is resolved already. It was a single and quite an unique case that will not happen in future in any way.
But it seems you are upset with so simple solution

Ok, let's make 20 pages thread about fucking adultmastercash program which has absolutely no control on it's stuff. You know it is not true but for some reason you continue to repeat this complaint again and again.

So what else do you (personally you) want from us? If you can say exactly what is so wrong to you I will try to resolve this problem as well. I can't reverse time to the moment we have not noticed these metategs and make fix on them in time - it is the thing I really would love to do but I can't. So it has happened and was fixed later than it should. What now? You want me to promice "mom I will be good boy"? I supposed we are mature people here and saying I am sorry about this happening is enough to understand that I am sorry.
So either say exactly what do you want us to do now or visit my post above as well.

AdultMasterCash · 2005-03-16, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaden

Ummmm yeah...I have to say I do think it would be wise. Especially if you are putting your name and reputation behind it....

Oh, really? Duplicating the work of every single reviewer actually eliminates the need in reviewers themselve. Employees are needed to free your time for more important things. Of course we are responsible for them - but we have to trust them in reasonable tasks in exchange.

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Originally Posted by Jaden

And you think that LL's don't??????? How do you think so much of this stuff gets found in the first place.

Jaden

I think you do. You check every thing you are aware of. But you CAN'T check it before it happened first time (you can suppose things people can do but if you do not think anyone will do it - you won't check for it before it happens). That's all I tried to explain - we did not checked for this words in metategs just because we could not think anyone will use them this way. We look stupid here - and if you ask me I would prefer to look unfair than stupid (many programs feel great looking unfair because webmasters still make big money with them) - but it is the fact and I can't evade it now.

I can lie and tell we did it and get this thread down - but I do not want to. I do not want to tell we did it while we didn't.
You are free to make own conclusions but I know the truth. And the truth is we were stupid although fair

Pervypete · 2005-03-16, 07:53 PM

I've had this sucker blacklisted for some time now. Try using their FHG's after having signed up using CCBill as processor, and not the standard processor of AMC...
I remember some interesting correspondance I had amonth ago about this problem, as discussed with AMC and CCBill...

Look at my blacklist of who's NOT welcome at my TGP's. Just a suggestion... how to spend a lot of work, and then later, nothing but trouble and some very wrong answers.

How I just hate that feeling of beeing so deply fother mucked.

AdultMasterCash · 2005-03-17, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervypete

I've had this sucker blacklisted for some time now. Try using their FHG's after having signed up using CCBill as processor, and not the standard processor of AMC...
I remember some interesting correspondance I had amonth ago about this problem, as discussed with AMC and CCBill...

Look at my blacklist of who's NOT welcome at my TGP's. Just a suggestion... how to spend a lot of work, and then later, nothing but trouble and some very wrong answers.

How I just hate that feeling of beeing so deply fother mucked.

Ah, hi Pete. I thought I explained everything to you in my last email. Seems not... Ok, a little explanation about this misunderstanding. Possibly not only you get this issue.
We had an issue with our FHG for those who use CCBill affiliate program with our sites - traffic sent to FHG was not count in CCBill. All signups going from FHG were counted to CCBill affiliate account although. The issue was based on the problem we could not determine who uses our own stats and who uses CCBill directly at the moment of opening our FHG - but we were able to determine it when surfer reached join page and submit webmaster's affiliate code to CCBill. We have resolved this problem by adding one more option to FHG link codes and now all webmasters using CCBill affiliate program with our sites getting link codes which allow CCBill to count all traffic correctly.

Again: no signups were lost in any way - just traffic stats (FHG/FHS links for CCBill affiliates only) before we have added additional link code option. And traffic stats do not miss now as well.

It is up to you to decide what do you want to do. However, it was just a misunderstanding from your side, not an our mistake or malicious action.

2005-03-16, 11:50 AM	#26
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Adultmastercash, TGPs and link sites CANNOT and DO NOT control the content of the sites they link to. They review them when the list them, and some dishonest fuckers actually go back and change the sites. It isn't the TGP owner or his "employees" doing it... it is a third party. THEY DON'T CONTROL IT. When they spot it, they pull it down. Your site. Your program. Your responsiblity. Your thieving meta tags. Nobody else to blame (unless you want to use the standard "outside contractor" BS that often seems to be the case). You tried, you got caught, be a man, live up to it, fix it, and try to move on before more people decide not to list your stuff. Alex

2005-03-16, 07:53 PM	#34
Pervypete Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Western Europe Posts: 5	I've had this sucker blacklisted for some time now. Try using their FHG's after having signed up using CCBill as processor, and not the standard processor of AMC... I remember some interesting correspondance I had amonth ago about this problem, as discussed with AMC and CCBill... Look at my blacklist of who's NOT welcome at my TGP's. Just a suggestion... how to spend a lot of work, and then later, nothing but trouble and some very wrong answers. How I just hate that feeling of beeing so deply fother mucked.