SpaCash likes to screw their affiliates!

[CrazySy]

This is going to be a long post but after two years, I thought everyone should know what kind of a program they run. Also, if you want to jump in here and say "They have always been good to me" OR "They've always paid me on time" OR "They convert great for me"..... I don't give a shit

This all began in 2005 when I was promoting them regularly and the ratio was not too bad, but all of a sudden everything went to shit, so I contacted Tony (who is no longer there) on August, 20th 2005 and asked him what could be the reason. I provided him with some links to my freesites, galleries and hubs so he could check them out and give me his honest answer. I got an email from Tony the same day saying:

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Hi Sy-
Thanks for the email, let me start researching your account see what I can find out.

Tony
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I emailed back and thanked him for his time and told him to take his time. I did receive an email from him on August, 24th 2005


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Hi Sy-
I am looking into your account and I see a lot of tranasctions and a few rebills too, but it looks like some of the surfers are not converting from trial to full memberships. I am doing a break down now of your sales so you can get a better idea.

Tony
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After about 45 minutes later, I did get another email from him with this report:

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Hi Sy-
Here are some #'s I got, Lets talk about it when you have time-
sales break down-

jan- 6 transactions, pps, all canceled with in trial

feb- 21 tranactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial

march- 13 transactions,pps, 8 canceled within trial

april- 16 transactons, pps, 10 canceled within trial

may- 26 transactions, pps, 18 canceled within trial

june- 12 transactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial

july 15 transactions, pps, 10 canceled within trial

aug- 8 tranactions, pps, 6 canceled within trial

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Now here where the problem starts, they claim I have made 117 sales in 71/2 months but the problem is, I have only been paid for 50!! This was nowhere to be found in their TOS. I did reply to his email and I was pretty pissed off and I did ask him if I can get any detailed info about those transactions, such as join and cancellation dates and times but he refused to provide me any further information and that was the end of the road!!

I did remove as many of their links as I could but I had to leave some alone due to the fact, they were tgp galleries and I just didn't want to fuck with the galleries and what not.

Later on, I started seeing some sales from my old galleries out there with good conversion ratios and I thought that they decided to run an honest business after they announced SpaCash v.2.0, but I was wrong. I guess that 2.0 meant, we are going to fuck our affiliates even more!

When I saw some increase in sales and better ratios, I submitted a handful of galleries to see how it goes. Sure, one gallery get listed at Tommys, DD, both hanks tgps, free6, madthumbs, thumbnail post, freepicseries and a few more. The traffic to galleries were great but the problem was, my SpaCash stats showed only a dozen clicks. I emailed Gerard and let him have it....LOL and then, what a fucking surprise...... I had a sale with no additional clicks!!!!!

This time I said FUCK THEM for good, I have nothing to do with this cheating mother fuckers but, I still check my account to withdraw the money for any sales that might appear from my old links (which I am sure they either shave me 100% after this or they'll just terminate my account. I've heard they are good at that too!)

So one day as I was checking my account, I decide to look to see how the two active webmaster I have under me doing. Sure enough, one has made over 70 sales and they other over 20. So here I go again....LOL I emailed their accounting on Oct, 15th 2007 to see why I never got my $300, and here is the reply I got the same day :

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None of them has 15 sales
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Wow what a detailed email! I did email them back with what I saw in my stats:


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When I ran the stats, I saw 75 sales for "Webmaster_id removed" and 25 sales for "Webmaster_id removed". Are we looking at different stats?
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And yet I got another professional response and this was the only thing in their email http://www.spacash.com/members/stats...php?ch_lang=us So I am thinking to myself, they are either born stupid or took some classes to become fucking stupid..... Either way, THEY ARE STUPID!

So again I emailed them back with some more detailed information and this all happened within just a couple of hours and here what it was in my email:

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That's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off my friend! Go to general stats and run from Jan, 1st 2005 to date and you'll see total sales for:

Webmaster_id removed:
Masscha Fetish 42
Tranny Pleasure 4
Just Black Gays 3
Biggest Tits Online 6
Interracial Addicts 2
Spy Addicts 1
Tear My Ass 1
Hot Asian Gays 1
All Sex Toons 2
Unknown 13


Webmaster_id removed:
Only Huge Cocks 12
Enormous Babes 9
Spy Addicts 1

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And guess what? I never heard back from them again. I was going to bring the original problem to this board but I didn't because, they were board sponsor and I didn't want to start anything. I don't post anywhere else and that's why it never made it to public. I did contact both Greenie and Jim regarding this issue last week to get their permission to open a thread in here and I sincerely thank them for allowing me to do so.


I am not here to tell you not to promote SpaCash, I am here to tell you this is how they have fucked me over. Never got paid $2345 for the 67 sales I had made in 2005 (and only God knows how many more since then) and also never got paid the $300 webmaster referral.

I just want you to see this and make your own choice.

Sy

[DangerDave]

That all sounds bad Sy... and not a very good omen for SpaCash..


My experience was short and sweet....

I joined there program, and almost immediately got the "welcome to SpaCash sale".. @ 1:<100... I thought this was pretty damn good.. and pushed them a little harder and told a few other peeps that I thought their program had promise..

.. but unfortunately.. that (what I believe to be) false sale was the only sale I ever got... so at 1:17,000+ I dropped them like a hot potato.

I would not recommend them to anyone.. and after hearing your story, I would definitely discourage people..

DD

[Tekster]

Thanks for the post Sy, I was just going to start promoting one of their sites. After reading this and a confirmation of sorts from DD, I think I will look at some other sponsors.

[Cleo]

Never signed up for them and it seems I never will.

[SheepGuy]

Yep, I'll be passing on them. Thanks for the heads up!

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Never signed up for them and it seems I never will.

Ditto.

[plateman]

No shit thats probably why they dont convert anymore on my LL

fuckin assholes

[tASSy]

Originally Posted by plateman

No shit thats probably why they dont convert anymore on my LL

fuckin assholes

try looking at alexa rankings and *then* CLAIM we don't convert.

sy, email or hit me up - i'm sure we can find a solution to your issue.

[Toby]

Hi Tassy, I see the pink text has followed you from CherryPimps.

Now I haven't yet been properly caffeinated, so maybe I'm missing something here, but WTF do Alexa rankings have to do with proving that the program converts?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Toby

Hi Tassy, I see the pink text has followed you from CherryPimps.

Now I haven't yet been properly caffeinated, so maybe I'm missing something here, but WTF do Alexa rankings have to do with proving that the program converts?

Now that you are properly caffeinated, did you figure it out? Of course one thing has nothing to do with the other.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Jim

Now that you are properly caffeinated, did you figure it out? Of course one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Yup, and that's the same conclusion I came up with before two large doses of java. I guess the ol' coconut still functions a little pre-caffeine.

[plateman]

Originally Posted by tASSy

try looking at alexa rankings and *then* CLAIM we don't convert.

sy, email or hit me up - i'm sure we can find a solution to your issue.

she must be saying I have no traffic, fuck you and spa cash, check google

[CrazySy]

tASSy, first let me thank you for your reply and to be honest, I thought someone from SpaCash might jump in this thread a bit earlier than almost a month!

Originally Posted by tASSy

try looking at alexa rankings and *then* CLAIM we don't convert.

Like others, I have no idea what Alexa ranking has to do with conversion but what I know is, showing me my clicks and taking my sales has a huge impact on that number, specially taking more than half of the sales I made.

Originally Posted by tASSy

sy, email or hit me up - i'm sure we can find a solution to your issue.

Again thank you, but I have taken all measures to fix the problem with no luck. Finding a solution to this problem is extremely easy, "STOP stealing from you affiliates and START paying them what they make".

My account name with you guys is the same as my board name here, you want to check the account out? Go ahead, but I have no intention of spending my valuable time to teach a program honesty and integrity. It's not my job!

Thanks again

[tASSy]

Originally Posted by CrazySy

tASSy, first let me thank you for your reply and to be honest, I thought someone from SpaCash might jump in this thread a bit earlier than almost a month!


Like others, I have no idea what Alexa ranking has to do with conversion but what I know is, showing me my clicks and taking my sales has a huge impact on that number, specially taking more than half of the sales I made.

Again thank you, but I have taken all measures to fix the problem with no luck. Finding a solution to this problem is extremely easy, "STOP stealing from you affiliates and START paying them what they make".

My account name with you guys is the same as my board name here, you want to check the account out? Go ahead, but I have no intention of spending my valuable time to teach a program honesty and integrity. It's not my job!

Thanks again

i'd like to speak with you via ICQ and see what the issue really is here. there's a lot of this: going on on boards and i prefer to deal directly with the source. ICQ me or email me please!

[CrazySy]

First this:

Originally Posted by tASSy

sy, email or hit me up - i'm sure we can find a solution to your issue.

And then this:

Originally Posted by tASSy

i'd like to speak with you via ICQ and see what the issue really is here. there's a lot of this: going on on boards and i prefer to deal directly with the source. ICQ me or email me please!

And when I email her, I get this:

hi sy,

i sincerely apologise - i have been in the hospital at least 2x a week - what do you need from me?


tassy

[Useless]

I honestly wouldn't look for help from someone who changes her text color to pink. I can't take that chick seriously. Why would a program even want to hire someone who is more concerned with promoting herself than her employer?

Yes, you have pink hair. We get it.

[Jim]

I would lift her ban so she could respond but she keeps using that pink text. And, her sig was big. When it was stipped and she was told to re-read the rules, she kept putting the same big sig in.

[CrazySy]

Jim, I am not worried about any reply from her. She proved she is as useless as tits on a bull.

I didn't want to email her and the reason I did? I didn't want anyone say "She tried to help and you refused to contact her".

She asks me to email her twice so we can find a solution and then she tells me "what do you need from me?"

[Jim]

Oh I get it Sy.
We did warn her several times about the pink text. And after the second time her sig file was stipped she send me a piece of mail through our advertiser form complaining about it. So, she knew the rules, she just didn't want to follow them.

[nibbler]

Ahhh Customer Support, I just love it. This reminds me of the time when my Dell PC got the blue screen of death, I called Customer Support. An Indian chick from Bangalore named "Denise", asked me to do the following,

Make sure my monitor was plugged in
Make sure my mouse was plugged in
Make sure my keyboard was plugged in

...At that point, I hung up and reinstalled Windows.

[DPD]

I didn't care to read the whole drama but not going to push any traffic to Spacash either. Thanks for sharing your experience!