Chameleon LL submitter, is your LL on the list?

[Buncha]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Why do people pay Chameleon Submitter to submit sites manually if you can do that now for free?

The main appeal of this software is not about the actual submission process. It's all about the recips. Link List recips can be a nightmare. Dead link lists, new categories, changing anchor text, etc. Every month I have to update my recip tables. That's why I only submit to 3-4 different categories.

If this software will handle that problem, it's worth the money. I can try a new category without spending an entire day building new recip tables. And it'll give me an opportunity to submit to new Link Lists that I normally wouldn't try because they're not on my current recip tables.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Bottom line for me is that no one asked if I wanted to be included & no one offered me money to be included (I'd have said no to both, but if you think about the latter, they're making money off having a Link List in their database, so why does the Link List not get a cut?)

I agree, they should have asked before adding any LL to the database. But in terms of money, couldn't you profit by joining their affiliate program and telling your submitters they should use the software? You have a lot of submitters and with their continuing subscriptions there should be a healthy profit.

All that being said, I'm going to wait and see how things shake out before trying the submitter. I don't want to end up on anyone's blacklist. But I hope LL owners will give this software a chance. It looks like an excellent tool for freesite submitters.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I love the people with 3 & 11 posts backing this product

Bottom line for me is that no one asked if I wanted to be included & no one offered me money to be included (I'd have said no to both, but if you think about the latter, they're making money off having a Link List in their database, so why does the Link List not get a cut?)

And most importantly, the submitter can do is fill out the form by hand since that's the way we review them - by hand

(of course, we delete auto-submits automatically, so I guess it all works out in the end)

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Why do people pay Chameleon Submitter to submit sites manually if you can do that now for free?

the good thing is you will prolly be able to recognize the submits from this and be able to ban people quickly

[fresh]

Originally Posted by jajo

I feel like idiot but I really do not understand your attitudes. You want to remove your sites from there ... ok ... BUT if they remove it each and every chameleon LL submiter customer will add your sites back manually. So as a consequence you will get even worse submits

No way every submitter user will add particular LL back manually ( some won't know about that particular LL, some will be lazy to do it etc etc..)

How come you will get worse submits if you won't have your LL in the submitter list?

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by spookyx

the good thing is you will prolly be able to recognize the submits from this and be able to ban people quickly

How will you be able to recognize submits if they are submitted manually?

IMHO the most useful feature of this software is the fact that recip tables are automated and updated often so you know they are correct.

I don't see how you could use the automated submit facility anyway as most LL now have a password/ code that must be inputed before submitting.

[Greenguy]

Maybe they should come out with Chameleon Recip Builder because there's no way in hell I'm going to endorse or condone anything that has "submit" in it's title unless it's preceded by "manual"

It's very simple - and it's an age old problem. I'm sure that in the right hands, this program has all kinds of benefits for submitters & Link List owners. But if it's in the wrong hands, it's a nightmare for Link List owners.

Too many of the wrong hands end up owning things like this

[varhau]

sure, THE thing about this software is the recips thing.. you dont need to 'waste' one day just to get the recips... you do in a few seconds

[jajo]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I love the people with 3 & 11 posts backing this product

Bottom line for me is that no one asked if I wanted to be included & no one offered me money to be included (I'd have said no to both, but if you think about the latter, they're making money off having a Link List in their database, so why does the Link List not get a cut?)

And most importantly, the submitter can do is fill out the form by hand since that's the way we review them - by hand

(of course, we delete auto-submits automatically, so I guess it all works out in the end)

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Why do people pay Chameleon Submitter to submit sites manually if you can do that now for free?

Yes ... I have only 11 posts but I was registered in 2004. I am not active at this board but I read it a lot. Not everybody need needs to write 100 worthless post a day to pretend to be important I raised my voice because I love chameleon and it makes my living. As simple as that

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jajo

Yes ... I have only 11 posts but I was registered in 2004. I am not active at this board but I read it a lot. Not everybody need needs to write 100 worthless post a day to pretend to be important

So then why act like some ignorant newbie fuck who doesn't realize that there has ALWAYS been a bad relationship between link sites and submission software? You can't treat site owners like schmucks for expressing their apprehension about being on that list, which doesn't even bother to link to the sites its naming, especially when you can't seem to comprehend WHY they feel apprehensive.

I break wind in your general direction.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I break wind in your general direction.

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[jajo]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So then why act like some ignorant newbie fuck who doesn't realize that there has ALWAYS been a bad relationship between link sites and submission software? You can't treat site owners like schmucks for expressing their apprehension about being on that list, which doesn't even bother to link to the sites its naming, especially when you can't seem to comprehend WHY they feel apprehensive.

I break wind in your general direction.

Now I understand your nickname. I had no idea that it is not allowed to present my opinion on this board. And my opinion is that you sentenced this software even before you have seen it or before you got any submits from it. I HAVE NOT ATACKED ANY LL OWNER. I am just not that kind of webmaster who consider each big guy as a sait and blindly follow all his attitudes (in hope to get listed on his LL)

[jajo]

Btw ... it seems that I will have 100 post until the end of this thread

[jajo]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So then why act like some ignorant newbie fuck who doesn't realize that there has ALWAYS been a bad relationship between link sites and submission software? You can't treat site owners like schmucks for expressing their apprehension about being on that list, which doesn't even bother to link to the sites its naming, especially when you can't seem to comprehend WHY they feel apprehensive.

I break wind in your general direction.

I blow my nose at-a you

[elmy]

Chameleon LL Submitter isn't software that has been written last week and trying to be sold today. Chameleon products exist for about 7 years and during this period, we have been hearing and receiving requests from many Free Sites submitters who are submitting also to your Link List sites. They've been wondering when we are gonna do LL Submitter because software that would have database and would be regularly updated like for example Chameleon Submitter was not unfortunately here. So we gave our promise and said if there are gonna be enough people interested in something like this, we would do such a software. Advantage of LL Submitter is that this tool is being clear and easy to use, all is set up and ready, LL sites in the database are set according to their site rules, recips are being generated according to categories.. People are aware that using some old non-updated database in other submitters or submitting using Robo Form is not efficient. Submitters also know that the time that is going to be saved having someone who will be maintaining the database is better being invested into other things or further business development.

Preparing the software itself is a question of 1 month, but creating a database and setting every single site with its individual site rules took us more that 1 year. However, we have chosen to bring quality no matter how long its gonna take and tried to satisfy both LL owners and Free Sites submitters. We also believe that people finally will be satisfied while LL Submitter is a tool that has been prepared with kind help of some of those webmasters who send their Free Sites daily to you as well.

Now, speaking of frequently changing LL recips, and how they are generated. We are fairly familiar with the fact, how often are the recips on Link List sites being changed and how important is it for Link List site to have correct recip with correct category. Therefore several people in Chameleon Team browse the database on a daily basis and check whether something has been changed. All this is being done manually and thats why Chameleon LL Submitter can afford having a feature for auto-generating recips.
Naturally, this is only being done in regards to site rules of any individual LL site, so that Free Sites submitter won't need to spend time choosing 100's of recips because LL submitter can handle about 95% of them itself.

Of course, we are trying to be as fair as possible and everyone who will get in touch with us requesting removal of his site from LL database will naturally be removed. The question is, is this a good or bad step from the side of LL site owner?In my opinion, its a bad one, because site removal won't solve anything.

1. Removing your site, you will cut the possibility also for your own submitters to be able to submit to your sites. Some of these submitters have been helping us with creation of LL submitter and during the 1 year testing period, none of them would experience being banned or not being listed (for example Greenguy Link O'Rama, Smut Gremlins, PenisBot's Porn Links..etc...etc.). It just indicates that our LL database is well done and perfectly prepared.

2. Since the database is editable; there are some risks connected with incorrect set up of parameters as submitters will be forced to do our job themselves and on their own - trying to add those removed sites again. Our professional team knows how to set these sites up 100% according to their site rules.

3. Link List sites that are not included in our LL database are also giving up on receiving search engine rank, Google page rank, etc.. etc..

Fortunately, there were only few link list sites who wished removing from the database. Therefore I would like to thank to LL owners who are giving the chance to this project and I can promise, that we will be trying to cooperate in maximum possible way from our side.

Thank you also for the support to those people who have bought our LL Submitter from this thread and showed us their support, as well as we are very happy about the LL owners who have sent us their sites for database inclusion and positive e-mail feedback about our job.

THANKS A LOT.
Wish you all beautiful summer day.
Elmy

[MrYum]

Wtf...I'll risk making some friends cranky (though that's certainly not my intention), and come out on the side of giving this a shot. I've already contacted the folks at Chameleon and asked them to ensure SOTI IS on their db as ready for submissions.

As a link site that could use an influx of fresh submitters, I figure there's not much downside to giving this a chance.

And having used Chameleon software in the past (for TGP submissions), it's damn fine software and always appeared to be kept very up to date. So, from this link list...I say bring em on Chameleon

Now then...just a touch of cya

Again, this post is in no way meant to ruffle any feathers. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I greatly respect those of many of the posters in this thread. The sole purpose of this post is to make it known that I want more submitters and I'll take the time to filter through them for the good ones

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by elmy

...3. Link List sites that are not included in our LL database are also giving up on receiving search engine rank, Google page rank, etc.. etc.....

That statement alone should tell most of the members of this board that these people have no clue what they're talking about.

Keep blowing smoke up everyone's ass while I keep reminding people that if you were serious about this project, you'd have contacted some of the bigger Link Lists out there about 12 months ago instead of after a thread like this was started.

[caringneo]

As some of the webmasters pointed out, this software could give lot of spammy summits if it reaches in the wrong hands. But for the honest submitters it saves lot of time in adding recips and filling the forms.

I have used Chameleon TGP submitter in the past. They regularly check the TGP rules and update/delete TGP's in their data base.

My guess is that both LinkList owners and submitters who are using chameleon need not worry if your using full manual mode of this software. I think if the submitter is using the full manual mode LinkList owner can't even find it out because it works as just a form filler. If the linklist has added any new rule, the webmaster can find it on his browser and immediately make changes and submit or skip that linklist.

Like Linkster said, there are already similar submitter available. And if those submitters can't get through your linklist then Chameleon also will not be able to do that.

An if you are taking parters only submit, mention that on submit page so that only people with partner account will submit to you. Saves time for linklist owners and submitter.

Bottom line, this could help a honest webmaster to speed up submit process and concentrate more time on building quality sites. On the wrong hands it can produce spam.

[stev0]

If anyone is worried about submitters abusing the tool, why not make a database of your current trusted submitters and go partner only? Seems to be the only way to keep people in line these days.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by stev0

If anyone is worried about submitters abusing the tool, why not make a database of your current trusted submitters and go partner only? Seems to be the only way to keep people in line these days.

That would do away with any new submitters you acquire. It's easier to just block submitters that don't follow the basic rules.

[Useless]

The nice thing I've noticed so far about the submitters I suspect to be using Chameleon is that they don't seem to argue about their rejections. I guess if you're not putting any effort into submitting, you don't feel all that bad about not getting listed.