Is this site listworthy?

odysseus · 2005-11-04, 06:00 PM

Hi everyone. I'm pretty familliar with the TGP game, but have never really tried my hand at free sites. That being said, I'd like some input on how I have everything set up. I popped out a quick site, just to see if I'm on the right track. It's at http://www.camsexworld.com/free-porn...tie/index.html

I know the design, color, text, graphics etc suck. I'm wondering if I have the pages layed out ok, not too many links out etc. I'm planning on placing 6 recip links on the index page between the warning textarea and the enter link. I have a total of 8 groups of 6 link lists to mirror into subdirectories such as /free-porn-sites/blonde-cutie01/ and /blonde-cutie02/ etc. So, all the recips will be on index.html pages. The recips will be tables or images as dictated by the LL owner.

I also have a question about recips. Since this is promoting webcams, I've set up webcam recips where they are available for webcam categories, and where a LL has no webcam category, I've snagged amateur recips and intend to submit to that category. Am I on the right track here, or am I missing something?

So, overlooking the lack of imagination of the site, and assuming the recips are correct, would this be listworthy? Thanks for taking the time to check it out. All input is appreciated.

RawAlex · 2005-11-04, 06:15 PM

"get full length videos click here" is blinder that Stevie Wonder.

The site is about as generic as a no-name tomato paste.

I see a dozen or more sites like this every day, and I decline more and more of them for having the same boring, white bread template, fonts, layouts, etc...

Think outside the box!

Alex

Surfn · 2005-11-04, 06:21 PM

Like Alex said it is pretty bland, I'm no graphics guru so I don't impose that on anyone. But some well placed text and better colors go a long way. In addition there are a 100's of different ways to layout your pages.

odysseus · 2005-11-04, 08:04 PM

Right. I'm aware of the blandness of it and it's not a site I would actually submit as it is. My main questions are about the directory structures, recip links and such. The graphics, colors, text, etc would all be different. (I do want to make money, lol)

So, do I have the right number of links out and such? Would 6 recips on an index.html page mirrored in 8 subdirectories be ok, since everyone gets an index page recip that way? Could I use amateur as a category when there is no webcam category present? I'm pretty sure I have the right idea, but I don't want to make a good looking site and then submit it only to find I have to scrap the whole thing because no one liked the recips or some other rules oriented thing.

Thanks again for the time to help out here.

MrYum · 2005-11-04, 09:50 PM

Welcome Odysseus

Your site structure looks fine. Yea, the site could use some excitement...but I'm sure you'll fix that up.

You do have some blind links in there...those will cost you listings. Here's a good thread on the subject;

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ht=blind+links

Again, welcome and good luck to ya

odysseus · 2005-11-04, 10:16 PM

Thanks Mr Yum. That helps alot. I wasn't really worried about blind links because I never intend to use them in free sites or TGP galleries. However, after reading that thread I see there is a fine line that I probably would have strayed closer to than I would intend. I'll bust out another go at this page with some better design that is more indicative of what I intend to be submitting so that I can get some input on some of my other, non design related questions.

MrYum · 2005-11-05, 12:03 AM

Glad to help Odysseus

Blind links have been getting worse lately, which is no doubt why Max started that thread. I think it's added clarity for a lot of free site builders.

Yep, that's the best way...keep tweaking and re-posting for suggestions. That should definitely help get you off on the right foot

Presmar · 2005-11-05, 12:58 AM

Personally I don't have a problem with the "blandness" of your site at all. I could care less what colors you use, as long as it looks fairly clean (and it does).

I am more concerned about whether or not the content is of good quality. Surfers want to see some good pics and you have good photos there.

As far as the links as concerned, unless there are free full length movies waiting on the other side ( and I doubt that there are) the links are blind. Which makes it an unlistable site. Actually, I can't even say for sure they are blind because when I click them I get a 404.

Other than that...I would list it.

odysseus · 2005-11-05, 02:22 AM

Thanks for the heads up on the 404. I re did the directory and file names on that site for SEO yesterday and completely forgot about it. Gotta put up some 404 pages too. Been on autopilot lately, so I'm makind stupid mistakes , UGH. I'll finish up the polishing and all in the morning and see what you guys think.

Halfdeck · 2005-11-05, 12:46 PM

I don't care about colors either, as long as I can read the text. The site is so clean, surfers might come in, look at the pics, ignore the ads and leave. I like the pics, but they should compliment the ads, and not the other way around.

odysseus · 2005-11-05, 01:23 PM

Thanks for all the input so far guys. Here is the site as I would actually submit it. This is a different URL.
http://www.camsexworld.com/free-porn...naked-camgirl/

Just so I have this right, mirrored directories with 6 recips on index.html pages is cool with everyone? And webcams or amateurs is an appropriate category to submit to?

Thanks again for taking the time to check it out.

Surfn · 2005-11-05, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odysseus

Thanks for all the input so far guys. Here is the site as I would actually submit it. This is a different URL.
http://www.camsexworld.com/free-porn...naked-camgirl/

Just so I have this right, mirrored directories with 6 recips on index.html pages is cool with everyone? And webcams or amateurs is an appropriate category to submit to?

Thanks again for taking the time to check it out.

all it lacks is my recip

MrYum · 2005-11-05, 02:32 PM

Looks good Odysseus

Couple things...you can have 3 outbound links on your entry page...might as well use em all.

Yep, mirrored directories work fine. However, you should be able to use more than 6 recips per page. Here's a recent thread on the subject;

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ht=recips+page

Having more than 6 on a page will reduce the number of mirrors needed...or increase the number of sites you can submit to...your choice.

You might want to run a couple board searches on 'recips' and 'mirrors'...there's a wealth of information in these forums

Last point of note...gotta agree with Surfn...don't see my recip on there

odysseus · 2005-11-05, 03:56 PM

Thanks for the input and the links guys. I have a lot of reading to do on this board. I'm glad I registered here. As for the reicps, all of my tables are ready to go, and you are both in the mix. So, you should be seeing my name in your submissions on a regular basis now. Don't be afraid to bitch slap me if you see something incorrect. I'm one of the ones who like to play by the rules.

There are a couple of reasons I only have 6 recips on the page. First, I'm using the tables or images that I snagged off of submit pages and since they all look different, I personally find they detract from the site if there are too many of them on a page. I may be wrong, but back when I was a surfer, if I saw something that busy, I just backed away from the site. I do like how some webmasters just have a nice table with good text links on their pages. Since most of the LL's I've seen specifically request use of their table or image, I'm wondering if most LL owners will accept a GOOD text link instead. I also thought I remembered reading somewhere that having a lot of links on a page "dilutes" the PR that is passed from a page out to those links. I may be wrong. I'm still playing in the SEO baby pool. Considering all that, having 12 good text links on a page would reduce the # of mirrors and hence make better use of HD space so I'm all for that. What do you guys all think of good, niche focused, text recip links?

Allfetish · 2005-11-10, 07:21 PM

I would list it, but I am not very picky. What I care more about is the content and that it isn't already on the site. My theory is that surfers really do not care to much about the fancy graphics as webmasters might, they just want naked ladies to spank the monkey to!

I think sometimes from reviewing sites it is more that we get so sick of seeing the same thing that we get a little anal about it.

ronnie · 2005-11-14, 08:46 PM

Last one looks good to me.. alot cleaner than most that are submitted.

ronnie

natalie · 2005-11-14, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odysseus

There are a couple of reasons I only have 6 recips on the page. First, I'm using the tables or images that I snagged off of submit pages and since they all look different, I personally find they detract from the site if there are too many of them on a page. I may be wrong, but back when I was a surfer, if I saw something that busy, I just backed away from the site. I do like how some webmasters just have a nice table with good text links on their pages. Since most of the LL's I've seen specifically request use of their table or image, I'm wondering if most LL owners will accept a GOOD text link instead. I also thought I remembered reading somewhere that having a lot of links on a page "dilutes" the PR that is passed from a page out to those links. I may be wrong. I'm still playing in the SEO baby pool. Considering all that, having 12 good text links on a page would reduce the # of mirrors and hence make better use of HD space so I'm all for that. What do you guys all think of good, niche focused, text recip links?

Hi Odysseus
I would much prefer to see my link on a page with 12-16 other text links. I havent found many linklists that will not let you use the anchor text from their recips without the tables and colours they use in their recips. Just as long as you use the text and links provided. I don't like to comment on seo here so I will leave that to some 'expert' lol.
Natalie

odysseus · 2005-11-14, 09:29 PM

Thanks again for all the insight guys. I have been submitting with 12 text recips for the past week and looks like I'm getting listed ok. I'm going to watch my stats for the next week or so and see who doesn't list me, and then re-work my recip tables based on that. I'm still settling into the grove, working on decent templates, and planning on adding more LL's into the mix. Thanks to those who've listed me so far. I'm getting better results from this than I did from TGP, so I'm glad I'm doing it.

MeatPounder · 2005-11-14, 11:55 PM

I don't know who you re submitting too, but don't be too swift about knocking link lists off your submittals.
Ask around before you take off a recip for some of the best traffic comes from LL's that may take awhile to be reviewed at.
My advice, if you do stop submitting to some, do not remove their recips from the sites already submitted.
And keep an eye on those older submittals for in many cases 3-4 weeks down the road you may see a spike in traffic to them from LL's you had written off

Fonz · 2005-11-15, 05:31 AM

That's a nice looking site indeed, I'm always looking for some new partners on www.smilingpussylinks.com so if you're interested...

Surfn · 2005-11-15, 07:16 AM

After New Year's you should have weed out some of the non producers and I will probably be adding some new partners

caringneo · 2005-11-15, 08:44 AM

The second site looks fine.
Regarding recips, if you arrange them neatly you can easily place 12 recips without making your page cluttered. Also, I suggest you to use less agressive text links on your index and main page. On the gallery pages you can really push the surfer towards your sponsor.

Neo

odysseus · 2005-11-15, 11:49 AM

I hear ya Meat Pounder. So I should give it more than 2 weeks then? As for the recips, I hadn't intended to change anything once submitted, so no problem there. What I was thinking was just making up a new recip table that was comprised of the LL's who weren't listing me and using their reicps exactly as they want them and then seeing if I get listed then.

Fonz, You should be hearing from me soon about submitting to your site.

Caringneo, Thanks for the advice on the text. I hadn't considered keeping it lighter on the index and main pages and heavy on the gallery pages. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks again guys.

MeatPounder · 2005-11-16, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odysseus

I hear ya Meat Pounder. So I should give it more than 2 weeks then? As for the recips, I hadn't intended to change anything once submitted, so no problem there. What I was thinking was just making up a new recip table that was comprised of the LL's who weren't listing me and using their reicps exactly as they want them and then seeing if I get listed then.

Fonz, You should be hearing from me soon about submitting to your site.

Caringneo, Thanks for the advice on the text. I hadn't considered keeping it lighter on the index and main pages and heavy on the gallery pages. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks again guys.

If you don't get listed after a few days you can definately ask them why...depending on the link list where they say to ask, but here at Greenguy and Jims is a good place for answers as many of the top lls have threads for that..and Jay has his own at his message boards etc.

But many lists as I said may take a month even to get reviewed, but then will list you with a surge of traffic.

I've found some Link Lists send me horrible traffic in some niches, but are my top referrers in others...
One factor in that is perhaps they list so many submitals of some niches that you are on the 3rd or 4th page of that categories archives before you know it but in other categories you stay on their first page for days. But there are many other factors on a given day.

Basically I just meant 2 weeks was perhaps a little too short a time span to judge what many link lists will send you for traffic, there are just too many variables

chief · 2005-11-16, 04:02 PM

I like your site. Looks like something that I would make. I would definitely list it on my sites. If you need places to submit to, feel free to submit to:

http://www.jansweb.com/cgi-bin/links/add.cgi

and

http://www.lifeofporn.com/submit.html

Good luck with everything.

2005-11-04, 06:00 PM	#1
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Is this site listworthy? Hi everyone. I'm pretty familliar with the TGP game, but have never really tried my hand at free sites. That being said, I'd like some input on how I have everything set up. I popped out a quick site, just to see if I'm on the right track. It's at http://www.camsexworld.com/free-porn...tie/index.html I know the design, color, text, graphics etc suck. I'm wondering if I have the pages layed out ok, not too many links out etc. I'm planning on placing 6 recip links on the index page between the warning textarea and the enter link. I have a total of 8 groups of 6 link lists to mirror into subdirectories such as /free-porn-sites/blonde-cutie01/ and /blonde-cutie02/ etc. So, all the recips will be on index.html pages. The recips will be tables or images as dictated by the LL owner. I also have a question about recips. Since this is promoting webcams, I've set up webcam recips where they are available for webcam categories, and where a LL has no webcam category, I've snagged amateur recips and intend to submit to that category. Am I on the right track here, or am I missing something? So, overlooking the lack of imagination of the site, and assuming the recips are correct, would this be listworthy? Thanks for taking the time to check it out. All input is appreciated.

2005-11-04, 06:21 PM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Like Alex said it is pretty bland, I'm no graphics guru so I don't impose that on anyone. But some well placed text and better colors go a long way. In addition there are a 100's of different ways to layout your pages. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-11-04, 09:50 PM	#5
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Welcome Odysseus Your site structure looks fine. Yea, the site could use some excitement...but I'm sure you'll fix that up. You do have some blind links in there...those will cost you listings. Here's a good thread on the subject; http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ht=blind+links Again, welcome and good luck to ya __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-11-05, 12:03 AM	#7
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Glad to help Odysseus Blind links have been getting worse lately, which is no doubt why Max started that thread. I think it's added clarity for a lot of free site builders. Yep, that's the best way...keep tweaking and re-posting for suggestions. That should definitely help get you off on the right foot __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-11-05, 12:58 AM	#8
Presmar My wife is not a doobie to be passed around! On our wedding day I promised to bogart her for life! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 272	Personally I don't have a problem with the "blandness" of your site at all. I could care less what colors you use, as long as it looks fairly clean (and it does). I am more concerned about whether or not the content is of good quality. Surfers want to see some good pics and you have good photos there. As far as the links as concerned, unless there are free full length movies waiting on the other side ( and I doubt that there are) the links are blind. Which makes it an unlistable site. Actually, I can't even say for sure they are blind because when I click them I get a 404. Other than that...I would list it. __________________ Free Targeted Teen SE Traffic! Submit your Free Sites Here! sex-free-teen.com

2005-11-04, 06:15 PM	#2
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	"get full length videos click here" is blinder that Stevie Wonder. The site is about as generic as a no-name tomato paste. I see a dozen or more sites like this every day, and I decline more and more of them for having the same boring, white bread template, fonts, layouts, etc... Think outside the box! Alex

2005-11-04, 08:04 PM	#4
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Right. I'm aware of the blandness of it and it's not a site I would actually submit as it is. My main questions are about the directory structures, recip links and such. The graphics, colors, text, etc would all be different. (I do want to make money, lol) So, do I have the right number of links out and such? Would 6 recips on an index.html page mirrored in 8 subdirectories be ok, since everyone gets an index page recip that way? Could I use amateur as a category when there is no webcam category present? I'm pretty sure I have the right idea, but I don't want to make a good looking site and then submit it only to find I have to scrap the whole thing because no one liked the recips or some other rules oriented thing. Thanks again for the time to help out here.

2005-11-04, 10:16 PM	#6
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Thanks Mr Yum. That helps alot. I wasn't really worried about blind links because I never intend to use them in free sites or TGP galleries. However, after reading that thread I see there is a fine line that I probably would have strayed closer to than I would intend. I'll bust out another go at this page with some better design that is more indicative of what I intend to be submitting so that I can get some input on some of my other, non design related questions.

2005-11-05, 02:22 AM	#9
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Thanks for the heads up on the 404. I re did the directory and file names on that site for SEO yesterday and completely forgot about it. Gotta put up some 404 pages too. Been on autopilot lately, so I'm makind stupid mistakes , UGH. I'll finish up the polishing and all in the morning and see what you guys think.

2005-11-05, 12:46 PM	#10
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	I don't care about colors either, as long as I can read the text. The site is so clean, surfers might come in, look at the pics, ignore the ads and leave. I like the pics, but they should compliment the ads, and not the other way around. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2005-11-05, 01:23 PM	#11
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Thanks for all the input so far guys. Here is the site as I would actually submit it. This is a different URL. http://www.camsexworld.com/free-porn...naked-camgirl/ Just so I have this right, mirrored directories with 6 recips on index.html pages is cool with everyone? And webcams or amateurs is an appropriate category to submit to? Thanks again for taking the time to check it out.

2005-11-05, 02:32 PM	#13
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Looks good Odysseus Couple things...you can have 3 outbound links on your entry page...might as well use em all. Yep, mirrored directories work fine. However, you should be able to use more than 6 recips per page. Here's a recent thread on the subject; http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ht=recips+page Having more than 6 on a page will reduce the number of mirrors needed...or increase the number of sites you can submit to...your choice. You might want to run a couple board searches on 'recips' and 'mirrors'...there's a wealth of information in these forums Last point of note...gotta agree with Surfn...don't see my recip on there __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-11-05, 03:56 PM	#14
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Thanks for the input and the links guys. I have a lot of reading to do on this board. I'm glad I registered here. As for the reicps, all of my tables are ready to go, and you are both in the mix. So, you should be seeing my name in your submissions on a regular basis now. Don't be afraid to bitch slap me if you see something incorrect. I'm one of the ones who like to play by the rules. There are a couple of reasons I only have 6 recips on the page. First, I'm using the tables or images that I snagged off of submit pages and since they all look different, I personally find they detract from the site if there are too many of them on a page. I may be wrong, but back when I was a surfer, if I saw something that busy, I just backed away from the site. I do like how some webmasters just have a nice table with good text links on their pages. Since most of the LL's I've seen specifically request use of their table or image, I'm wondering if most LL owners will accept a GOOD text link instead. I also thought I remembered reading somewhere that having a lot of links on a page "dilutes" the PR that is passed from a page out to those links. I may be wrong. I'm still playing in the SEO baby pool. Considering all that, having 12 good text links on a page would reduce the # of mirrors and hence make better use of HD space so I'm all for that. What do you guys all think of good, niche focused, text recip links?

2005-11-10, 07:21 PM	#15
Allfetish If you really need money, you can sell your kidney or even your car Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	I would list it, but I am not very picky. What I care more about is the content and that it isn't already on the site. My theory is that surfers really do not care to much about the fancy graphics as webmasters might, they just want naked ladies to spank the monkey to! I think sometimes from reviewing sites it is more that we get so sick of seeing the same thing that we get a little anal about it.

2005-11-14, 08:46 PM	#16
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Last one looks good to me.. alot cleaner than most that are submitted. ronnie

2005-11-14, 09:29 PM	#18
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	Thanks again for all the insight guys. I have been submitting with 12 text recips for the past week and looks like I'm getting listed ok. I'm going to watch my stats for the next week or so and see who doesn't list me, and then re-work my recip tables based on that. I'm still settling into the grove, working on decent templates, and planning on adding more LL's into the mix. Thanks to those who've listed me so far. I'm getting better results from this than I did from TGP, so I'm glad I'm doing it.

2005-11-14, 11:55 PM	#19
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	I don't know who you re submitting too, but don't be too swift about knocking link lists off your submittals. Ask around before you take off a recip for some of the best traffic comes from LL's that may take awhile to be reviewed at. My advice, if you do stop submitting to some, do not remove their recips from the sites already submitted. And keep an eye on those older submittals for in many cases 3-4 weeks down the road you may see a spike in traffic to them from LL's you had written off

2005-11-15, 05:31 AM	#20
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,929	That's a nice looking site indeed, I'm always looking for some new partners on www.smilingpussylinks.com so if you're interested... __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog

2005-11-15, 07:16 AM	#21
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	After New Year's you should have weed out some of the non producers and I will probably be adding some new partners __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2005-11-15, 08:44 AM	#22
caringneo Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PLANET EARTH Posts: 259	The second site looks fine. Regarding recips, if you arrange them neatly you can easily place 12 recips without making your page cluttered. Also, I suggest you to use less agressive text links on your index and main page. On the gallery pages you can really push the surfer towards your sponsor. Neo __________________ Anal Gays

2005-11-15, 11:49 AM	#23
odysseus Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 101	I hear ya Meat Pounder. So I should give it more than 2 weeks then? As for the recips, I hadn't intended to change anything once submitted, so no problem there. What I was thinking was just making up a new recip table that was comprised of the LL's who weren't listing me and using their reicps exactly as they want them and then seeing if I get listed then. Fonz, You should be hearing from me soon about submitting to your site. Caringneo, Thanks for the advice on the text. I hadn't considered keeping it lighter on the index and main pages and heavy on the gallery pages. I'll give it a shot. Thanks again guys.

2005-11-16, 04:02 PM	#25
chief Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 64	I like your site. Looks like something that I would make. I would definitely list it on my sites. If you need places to submit to, feel free to submit to: http://www.jansweb.com/cgi-bin/links/add.cgi and http://www.lifeofporn.com/submit.html Good luck with everything.