Proadult moving off shore

rollergirl · 2005-06-08, 01:42 PM

If your sites are on Proadults servers and they move off shore to Panama, then is it true that you don't have to comply with 2257?

From the PA website
Heres is our solution! We will be moving all the network of hosting servers that contain adult material out of the country. We have set a blueprint for this move where it will cause no downtime whatsoever. Once the redclouds machines are out of the country, no one using those machines will have to worry about the license issues. The domain hosting servers, however, once they are moved, in order to comply with this law and be on the safe side,the US webmasters will be given an option to use a corp that belongs to us in Panama as the registrant of the domain name. They will not be able to touch a single strand of hair on any webmaster using our network. We will have nothing based in the US. We have bought ourselves some time by joining a countersuit against the government for violating privacy policy issue. This case will give us leisure to make the move smooth and organized.

If this is true? Then won't moving your sites off shore yourself, be just as good?
I'd love some input here. Many people have sites hosted both with programs like PA or Adults Allowed. There's probably other networks too.

RawAlex · 2005-06-08, 01:51 PM

The offshore move idea is a dodge, promoted by a couple of operators in Panama. I personally think that it might protect people from being in the first wave of DOJ inspections, providing they haven't already made the list.

I will say without a doubt that the DOJ is rarely impressed by attempts to use smoke and mirrors to avoid legal liability. Further, as this law effectively dates back to July 1995, they only have to ask for records for June 2004 and see what they get.

I wouldn't do this without a bunch of lawyers all saying it works.

Alex

Toby · 2005-06-08, 01:53 PM

Where your hosting is located is pretty much irrelevant as I read it. Your primary place of business is still wherever you call home. If that's in the US, then you're still subject to US law. You could host your site on the moon, and that wouldn't change a thing as far as 2257.

Useless · 2005-06-08, 03:05 PM

Something tell's me that Igor (Voyeurweb/Pro Adult guru) probably has pretty good lawyers. I doubt he has Dewey, Cheetum, & Howe on retainer.

Toby · 2005-06-08, 03:34 PM

Unless they're also moving their base of operations and all employees from Florida to Panama, I don't see where Igor has gained a thing in terms of 2257 by moving his servers.

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-08, 04:21 PM

Hate to say it, when the 2257 came out...I thought VW would be one of the first places targetted.

kane · 2005-06-08, 04:45 PM

there is a different sponser I use that is offering a similar situation. they are in Austrailia and are offer to host sites on thier DNS and their servers as a way to avoid this. I just emailed them to ask about this. It sounds nice, but like mentioned before even if everything is hosted offshore, I live in the US and I build and upload the website so that makes me the secondary producer and still subject to the law.

natalie · 2005-06-08, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

there is a different sponser I use that is offering a similar situation. they are in Austrailia and are offer to host sites on thier DNS and their servers as a way to avoid this. I just emailed them to ask about this. It sounds nice, but like mentioned before even if everything is hosted offshore, I live in the US and I build and upload the website so that makes me the secondary producer and still subject to the law.

Host porn in Australia! I highly doubt it. Unless it is totally softcore that is against our laws. Maybe they are in Australia but host elsewhere..

Useless · 2005-06-08, 07:23 PM

...and many of us will ban anyone who submits a sponsor hosted link. It's not a solution.

tickler · 2005-06-08, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

I don't see where Igor has gained a thing in terms of 2257 by moving his servers.

The DOJ can't order foreign servers to shut you down.

Just one piece of the puzzle that is helpful to foreign WMs. Probably does nothing for US WMs, except they may have a hard time finding them with no 2257 info posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...and many of us will ban anyone who submits a sponsor hosted link. It's not a solution.

One sponsor is pulling their host and free content, and replacing it with FHGs. Not sure how much traffic they will lose. But, they didn't really get the ideal that FHGs with recips can't be submitted either.

EmporerEJ · 2005-06-09, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

You could host your site on the moon, and that wouldn't change a thing as far as 2257.

And where would I sign up for that?
Then a trip to the moon could be considered a biz expense, right?

:-)

Toby · 2005-06-09, 02:28 AM

There are a number of places to sign up, but I'm afraid that only one way tickets are available at this time.

Rocco · 2005-06-09, 06:17 AM

good move - think many should follow

Gawdy · 2005-06-09, 09:18 AM

I was wondering what sites like voyeurweb were going to do

RawAlex · 2005-06-09, 10:23 AM

"shit bricks".

That is all I could think of.

Alex

WEBAIR · 2005-06-09, 01:50 PM

koolkat · 2005-06-10, 05:47 PM

I'm pretty much in the same boat as Igor. I have thought the same thing about moving to a foreign host, getting a foreign processor, and getting a foreign bank account. Then I would not be hosting from the US, or processing, or keeping my money in the US. Fuck... I might as wells move as well!

chilihost · 2005-06-10, 08:46 PM

Speaking from a hosting pov, I have seen a lot of non-US webmasters move to offshore servers and quite a few are even cutting out all US-based affiliate programs so they are totally out of the USA. I think its a smart move, you never know what the DOJ will try to do, mostly to inconvenience you and get you to move out of their country.

cheers,
Luke

Toby · 2005-06-10, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilihost

...a few are even cutting out all US-based affiliate programs so they are totally out of the USA...

That's cool, it means less competition for me. |cool|

Quotealex · 2005-06-10, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

That's cool, it means less competition for me. |cool|

How would that be less competition for you? They are not closing shop, just using non-US hosts and sponsors...

Trev · 2005-06-10, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quotealex

How would that be less competition for you? They are not closing shop, just using non-US hosts and sponsors...

Less people pushing the same sponsor as him = less competition for him pushing THOSE sponsors.

angieg · 2005-06-13, 03:21 PM

We are concerned since our forum allows members to post photos. Mostly it is a humor forum but people do tend to post photos that include nudity and humor.

Any suggestions or ideas as to what the other forums are doing?

2005-06-08, 01:42 PM	#1
rollergirl I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 82	Proadult moving off shore If your sites are on Proadults servers and they move off shore to Panama, then is it true that you don't have to comply with 2257? From the PA website Heres is our solution! We will be moving all the network of hosting servers that contain adult material out of the country. We have set a blueprint for this move where it will cause no downtime whatsoever. Once the redclouds machines are out of the country, no one using those machines will have to worry about the license issues. The domain hosting servers, however, once they are moved, in order to comply with this law and be on the safe side,the US webmasters will be given an option to use a corp that belongs to us in Panama as the registrant of the domain name. They will not be able to touch a single strand of hair on any webmaster using our network. We will have nothing based in the US. We have bought ourselves some time by joining a countersuit against the government for violating privacy policy issue. This case will give us leisure to make the move smooth and organized. If this is true? Then won't moving your sites off shore yourself, be just as good? I'd love some input here. Many people have sites hosted both with programs like PA or Adults Allowed. There's probably other networks too.

2005-06-08, 01:53 PM	#3
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	Where your hosting is located is pretty much irrelevant as I read it. Your primary place of business is still wherever you call home. If that's in the US, then you're still subject to US law. You could host your site on the moon, and that wouldn't change a thing as far as 2257. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-08, 03:05 PM	#4
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Something tell's me that Igor (Voyeurweb/Pro Adult guru) probably has pretty good lawyers. I doubt he has Dewey, Cheetum, & Howe on retainer. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-08, 03:34 PM	#5
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	Unless they're also moving their base of operations and all employees from Florida to Panama, I don't see where Igor has gained a thing in terms of 2257 by moving his servers. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-08, 04:45 PM	#7
kane A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 56	there is a different sponser I use that is offering a similar situation. they are in Austrailia and are offer to host sites on thier DNS and their servers as a way to avoid this. I just emailed them to ask about this. It sounds nice, but like mentioned before even if everything is hosted offshore, I live in the US and I build and upload the website so that makes me the secondary producer and still subject to the law. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2005-06-08, 01:51 PM	#2
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	The offshore move idea is a dodge, promoted by a couple of operators in Panama. I personally think that it might protect people from being in the first wave of DOJ inspections, providing they haven't already made the list. I will say without a doubt that the DOJ is rarely impressed by attempts to use smoke and mirrors to avoid legal liability. Further, as this law effectively dates back to July 1995, they only have to ask for records for June 2004 and see what they get. I wouldn't do this without a bunch of lawyers all saying it works. Alex

2005-06-08, 04:21 PM	#6
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	Hate to say it, when the 2257 came out...I thought VW would be one of the first places targetted.

2005-06-08, 07:23 PM	#9
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	...and many of us will ban anyone who submits a sponsor hosted link. It's not a solution. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-09, 02:28 AM	#12
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	There are a number of places to sign up, but I'm afraid that only one way tickets are available at this time. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-06-09, 06:17 AM	#13
Rocco www . * * . com Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,546	good move - think many should follow __________________ Sex and Porn Submit your FreeSites here

2005-06-09, 09:18 AM	#14
Gawdy Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5	I was wondering what sites like voyeurweb were going to do __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2005-06-09, 10:23 AM	#15
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	"shit bricks". That is all I could think of. Alex

2005-06-09, 01:50 PM	#16
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2005-06-10, 05:47 PM	#17
koolkat Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SC Posts: 401	I'm pretty much in the same boat as Igor. I have thought the same thing about moving to a foreign host, getting a foreign processor, and getting a foreign bank account. Then I would not be hosting from the US, or processing, or keeping my money in the US. Fuck... I might as wells move as well! __________________ Harry Beaver's Lodge

2005-06-10, 08:46 PM	#18
chilihost Look at 'em. Watchin' my TV. Sittin on my couch. You better not be in my ass groove! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 465	Speaking from a hosting pov, I have seen a lot of non-US webmasters move to offshore servers and quite a few are even cutting out all US-based affiliate programs so they are totally out of the USA. I think its a smart move, you never know what the DOJ will try to do, mostly to inconvenience you and get you to move out of their country. cheers, Luke __________________ HunkMoney+BritishBucks+LatinoBucks=50+ gay sites!

2005-06-13, 03:21 PM	#22
angieg Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1	We are concerned since our forum allows members to post photos. Mostly it is a humor forum but people do tend to post photos that include nudity and humor. Any suggestions or ideas as to what the other forums are doing?