general comments / questions from a newb

[nub]

holy f... and i thought looking for porn on the web was overwhelming!

this is my first serious look into the adult industry, and getting info from adult webmasters is like looking for a snowflake in a lake effect squal coming off erie. (wny'ers will get it )

ive been in the mainstream design and production of interactive and web for about 6 years, and thinking of diving into the industry. me and a few others are planning on hitting this from many angles, creating content, working tgps to help traffic, and another area (ill get more into it as we get closer to lauch)

i joined here because i remember greenguy from one of the first days i browsed the web for porn oh-so-many years ago (actually, i just thought it was kool he was from buffalo)

besides here, what other sources of information should i be checking out? ive already chosen to go with ccbill for our billing, ive got a lawer working on contracts, and i have a gallery system my programmer and i built. i want to drive traffic to my site as well as create a kinda (ive only seen one other like it) uniqe tgp that will drive content around. i need help in avoiding the cheaters and scumbags that are sure to try to take advantage of lil ol me.

i guess if this were a mob flick, i would be 'asking for a sponser'

hope it wasnt too wordy for a first post

[Useless]

Welcome to GG&Jim's.

What exactly is your question?

[nub]

fantastic.. the only thing with a question mark in there is 'where else to find info' .. yeah, im a tool

well, were going to play and get our feet wet this weekend. im going to throw up a quick tgp and see what happens. whats the deal with trades? and does my ccbill account have to be set up and running before i see any cash? (and im ont really expecting any for a while)

[Useless]

Oh boy...

A TGP doesn't need a biller, such as CCBill. A TGP (Thumb Gallery Post) lists gallery pages which are either submitted by other webmasters or provided by your sponsors. Galleries which are provided by sponsors are known as FHGs (Free Hosted Galleries).
Here is GG&Jim's monster list of sponsors that you can sign up with. http://www.greenguysboard.com/resour...ors/index.html

Personally, if I were you, I'd do a lot more research before I'd bother starting any type of site. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.

[BlueQuartz]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Oh boy...

A TGP doesn't need a biller, such as CCBill. A TGP (Thumb Gallery Post) lists gallery pages which are either submitted by other webmasters or provided by your sponsors. Galleries which are provided by sponsors are known as FHGs (Free Hosted Galleries).
Here is GG&Jim's monster list of sponsors that you can sign up with. http://www.greenguysboard.com/resour...ors/index.html

Personally, if I were you, I'd do a lot more research before I'd bother starting any type of site. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.

good advise - you should listen to him

welcome to the board man

[nub]

thats why im still-a-diggin

i found my tgp answers here - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17887
didnt realize that they actually send checks at those levels, not dump them into an account.

we were going to the ccbill setup for a content site were going to create (i have a few non-nude over 18 models)

but im also reading that going with an AVS to start that may be a better idea (insteaed of ccbill)?

(btw, the abuse.. yeah i need it.. theres still a ton to learn)

[Mishi]

nub, how long have you been doing research into the adult side of things? It is VERY different from mainstream marketing, at least when you're first starting out. And just when you have everything figured out, it all changes.

[Head Boy]

One thing that I've learnt from the adult boards is that not many mainstream w/ms hack it in adult, but a lot of adult w/ms do well in mainstream. Adult is a hard world where everyone thinks that the money is easy. When they discover that it's "easy go" rather than "easy come", a lot of them turn to cheating, which makes it even harder for everybody else.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by nub

(btw, the abuse.. yeah i need it.. theres still a ton to learn)

You kinky bastard!

But I don't think that you have been abused...yet.

[nub]

nub, how long have you been doing research into the adult side of things? It is VERY different from mainstream marketing, at least when you're first starting out. And just when you have everything figured out, it all changes

i guess you can say as long as ive been looking at porn on the net...hehe. actually, ive been reading more and more about it over the past 6 months, ever since we took over our own company. im in a production lull now and for the past 2 weeks ive been very serious about the research. the one thing ive learned about any marketing on the web since day one, it changes every morning im sure that its like that 10-fold in this industry. ive always been asked by friends, etc, 'why dont you do porn sites? i would love to help..' well, now im going to see whos real and whos full of it. the one thing i can easily dedicate to getting this right before i spend ANY money is spend time learning.

One thing that I've learnt from the adult boards is that not many mainstream w/ms hack it in adult, but a lot of adult w/ms do well in mainstream. Adult is a hard world where everyone thinks that the money is easy. When they discover that it's "easy go" rather than "easy come", a lot of them turn to cheating, which makes it even harder for everybody else.

i think the perception out there for mainstreamers is, put up a site, hook up some links and wait for the clickthroughs to pour in. sure, that works for my nyc clients who have major sponsers and are selling known products. ive been browsing porn for over 12 years, i think i stopped clicking on banner ads afer 2 months, and ive never paid for a porn site. so i understand the difficulties of making it work. and, im one of those anal-retentive bastards that overplans everything. like i mentioned earlier, to play around a bit, and not spend anything but time to learn, im going to throw up a quick tgp over the weekend, see how the scripting is working for these systems already in place and learn from it. weve decided to do this for the long haul, because one thing thats difficult in the mainstream is going through those lulls in work. it would be nice to have something always going on in the background streaming in "some" kind of revenue, even if it is a trickel for a while.


there is no try, there is only do...

[Greenguy]

Hey nub - where in Buffalo do you live?

I'm down in Orchard Park, but I grew up in Lackawanna & lived in Blasdell for a few years.

[nub]

Hey nub - where in Buffalo do you live?

yeah, like i need another stalker

im actually in the city (south), grew up next to the broadway market .. ill be there this morning getting chocolate dipped strawberries from my brothers stand.

[Greenguy]

As well as a couple of Lamb shaped butters for Sunday?

[nub]

platsik, kruchiki, kielbasa, pirogies... the works

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by nub

there is no try, there is only do...

You're gonna be just fine.

[blind]

Originally Posted by nub

platsik, kruchiki, kielbasa, pirogies... the works

i think i know these things

[chuckiepoo]

I'm thawing out some kielbasa now. It's about 2.5 inches in diameter. Can't wait to throw it into some sauerkraut. (spelling?)

[nub]

I'm thawing out some kielbasa now. It's about 2.5 inches in diameter. Can't wait to throw it into some sauerkraut. (spelling?)

Thawing? wow.... that almost sounds sacrilege i guess im just lucky enough to live in an area where you can get polish sausage made fresh or smoked daily. now for some more polish fun, today we'll be out at the bars celebratein Dyngus Day. (pretty much the polish st pattys day)


but enough talk of my sausage.

we ran our little tpg site test and everything went fine. no major surprises. next is testing some of our own gallery software.

on the content front, i have a few interviews with some amateur models. i resisted the temptation of going to stripclubs to ask girls, or calling modeling agencies. (thanks to the advise on many posts on the subject) so were going with 'friends of a friend' who have shown previous interest. in case anyones wondering, we're going after the non-nude over 18 niche market.

so, hopefully in a few months, with a couple of content sites in place, some tgp and ll work to steer traffic around and a little piece of unique software we are lauching soon, we should be slowly moving on up.

i forsee many long nites and headaches ahead.. wish me luck

[Useless]

Originally Posted by nub

i resisted the temptation of going to stripclubs to ask girls.

One should never resist the temptation to watch naked women dance.

Just a little business advice.

[nub]

One should never resist the temptation to watch naked women dance.

i never said i didnt go.. i just resisted the temptation to ask

[blind]

nub are you Pole? I see you know a bit of us

[nub]

polish through and through.. still call my grandmother babcia, my grandfather dzadza... etc..

[urb]

Hi nub
You may come to find .htaccess useful in the near future, therefore I'd forget using NT hosting. Apache is the way to go. Just thought I'd mention that before you get too far down the line.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by blind

i think i know these things

I don´t, please explain

To answer your question. Starting a paysite is not as easy nowadays as it used to be. Some "non nude models" won´t make it, I´m afraid. First thing is that you have to convince them doing porn, not an easy part.

Reading is one thing, doing it another. If I were you, I would try something traffic building before launching a paysite.

A nice thing to learn about paysites is building one with deluxepass or another one like them. there you can try out what will work without high costs.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by chuckiepoo

I'm thawing out some kielbasa now. It's about 2.5 inches in diameter. Can't wait to throw it into some sauerkraut. (spelling?)

Sauerkraut = correct