New link list: adultlinkweb.com

[RamCharger]

This one has some very unique differences that set it apart from the rest. The main difference is that to sign up for it you apply via the TTT webmaster link at adultpicweb.com What happens next is that (when your site is approved) a piece of software that I developed dumps the TTT MySql tables into a XML file then creates a standard XHTML file (the main page) using XSL stylesheets at adultlinkweb.com with your link in it. The XML file is also used by the search.php file for users to search by niche, name, and description (this is done via an XPath query and more XSL stylesheets).

The important thing is what's in it for everyone: being on the list at adultlinkweb.com guarantees that you get traffic from adultpicweb.com (courtesy of TTT). There's no requirement to push traffic to adultpicweb, but, of course, if you do you will see more come back in return. No reciprocal link to either site is required.

Please bear with the rough format of adultlinkweb.com There are a lot of features in the queue that I'm going to be implementing and I'm a software engineer not a graphics designer so the look is going to take a while for me to flesh out. However, if anyone has any ideas they would like to see implemented I am very much open to suggestions (email me or PM me here). Eventually I'm hoping to develop this software into a full fledged package that I'm going to sell, but I'm hampered by my day job and time constraints from moving quick on this.

[Greenguy]

[Useless]

You're linking to free sites with Turbo Traffic Trader, a circle-jerk script?

[Mr Exotic]

So are you returning traffic to free sites based on how many hits they send you back? Or is that just for other link lists, and your gonna be skimming traffic like tgps from your free sites listings to send to you link list trades? Or are you gonna be doing both skimming from free sites and sending traffic to free sites and link lists based on traffic sent?

I am doing free sites and a link list to get away from the whole traffic swap, skim, gallery, whatever you wanna call it bs that goes along with TGPs. But I guess to each his own Good luck with it.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Mr Exotic

So are you returning traffic to free sites based on how many hits they send you back? Or is that just for other link lists, and your gonna be skimming traffic like tgps from your free sites listings to send to you link list trades? Or are you gonna be doing both skimming from free sites and sending traffic to free sites and link lists based on traffic sent?

I am doing free sites and a link list to get away from the whole traffic swap, skim, gallery, whatever you wanna call it bs that goes along with TGPs. But I guess to each his own Good luck with it.

Let me try to clarify what's going on:

AdultLinkWeb.com provides you with a hard link (standard direct href, no gimmics)

AdultPicWeb.com provides you with trafic via the standard TTT trading rules.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're linking to free sites with Turbo Traffic Trader, a circle-jerk script?

No. See below posting. AdultLinkWeb.com = direct href, AdultPicWeb.com = traffic based on TTT rules.

The reason of all this is I'm using the TTT MySQL tables for records persistence. The db.xml that AdultLinkWeb.com works off is regenerated from these records every time I run a script to do so. MySQL isn't even touched by AdultLinkWeb's software after db.xml is generated.

The reasoning behind this is simple: the persistence layer is vendor agnostic. I currently have one script that generates db.xml based on TTT's db layout, but I could write another script to work with ePowerTrader or Arrow or something else entirely without breaking my templates or business rules (e.g. search.php, problem.php, etc). It's a fully modular system.

[Mr Exotic]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

The reasoning behind this is simple: the persistence layer is vendor agnostic.

My brain is less than simple I guess, I have no clue what that means, haha.

But I think I understand what is going on....maybe. Good luck with it.

[Useless]

I realize that you are a software engineer and not an experienced adult webmaster, but why not purchase a script either already developed for link lists or create one of your own (since that's your area of expertise)? Why base a link list off of a traffic trading script - which makes you immediately suspect?

Have you ever built any free sites or did you simply wake up one morning and decide to run a link list [of sorts]?

[RamCharger]

My package is a link list creator. It's not slaved to TTT for anything other than collecting entries from the TTT tables in the MySQL database.

A look at what happens:
1) You enter your site in to TTT
2) TTT takes information and stores it in MySQL
3) I run one script that I wrote which dumps the contents of the TTT MySQL tables into an XML file format that I developed (db.xml).
4) That information in db.xml is then merged with a style sheet that I wrote in XSL to generate a plain XHTML page (index.html) with plain links (href's).
5) db.xml is also used by search.php to do queries initiated by users (search by name, niche, or description).

As you can see my software is not truly reliant on TTT. By changing the logic of the one script that does the dump of the TTT MySQL tables I can change the software to use any data source (sleepycat db based datasource, Arrow MySQL tables, or anything else that I can dissect its data storage format and contents) as long as db.xml stays in the format that I developed. Since everything else (search.php, problem.php) revolves around the consistency of db.xml nothing else is reliant on any other piece of software. I can adapt this software to any want or need without infringing on or changing anyone elses software.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I realize that you are a software engineer and not an experienced adult webmaster, but why not purchase a script either already developed for link lists or create one of your own (since that's your area of expertise)? Why base a link list off of a traffic trading script - which makes you immediately suspect?

Have you ever built any free sites or did you simply wake up one morning and decide to run a link list [of sorts]?

Did you read my questions?

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Did you read my questions?

I was in a rush to answer the first question on everyones mind when I rifled off that reply. In regards to your other questions, I bought comus because I knew that I had no clue about the full functionality of TGP software let alone how to expediently replicate it in a self-built software package. However, a link list is something different (and far more simple) so creating that package was something that only really took me a few ours of banging away at the keyboard.

I'm using it mainly as a test bed for refreshing my memory with a lot of technologies that I hadn't worked with for quite sometime (XSL and XPath in particular) and am hoping to build it in to a product that I can sell. There are a few other ideas that I'm kicking around in my head, but I'm not going to mention them since they haven't even been started yet. Using the data contained in the TTT tables was a bit of a shortcut that I took to get it up and running quick plus it has the side benefit of offering people who list with me a reward: you'll get traffic from me even if you don't send it or operate a trade script (how can you lose with an offer like that?).

Now in regards to my motivation to dive into this sector, it's simple: a friend introduced me to this sector and showed me that there was some money to be made (which I'm hoping to do, but it's not critical that this happen immediately). So I'm gently wading on in to the market by getting my feet wet with both the TGP and now the link list site that I operate (we all need to start somewhere don't we?). I eventually hope to ditch my day job as I'm tired of the bullshit that goes along the market in which I operate in, but I know that I have a long ways to go before I have enough experience in this market to accomplish that so this is more of a hobby right now.

[Flex]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Did you read my questions?

That would be a no

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Flex

That would be a no

Actually I did, but didn't have time to respond to them all then.

[Flex]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I was in a rush to answer the first question on everyones mind when I rifled off that reply. In regards to your other questions, I bought comus because I knew that I had no clue about the full functionality of TGP software let alone how to expediently replicate it in a self-built software package. However, a link list is something different (and far more simple) so creating that package was something that only really took me a few ours of banging away at the keyboard.

|confused| It takes you the same amount of time to build a link list site as it does a tgp as far as design goes. I think you might need to look at this board some more and learn the difference between the two. The comment "I bought comus because I knew that I had no clue about the full functionality of TGP software let alone how to expediently replicate it in a self-built software package." sounds nice and technical but with all do respect just stick with the first part that you had no clue. Luckily you have come to one of the best place on the net to get one. I suggest you do a few searches on this board for free sites, link list, and search engine traffic to start to get a grasp of what I am saying as far as TGP and Link List go.

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'm using it mainly as a test bed for refreshing my memory with a lot of technologies that I hadn't worked with for quite sometime (XSL and XPath in particular) and am hoping to build it in to a product that I can sell. There are a few other ideas that I'm kicking around in my head, but I'm not going to mention them since they haven't even been started yet. Using the data contained in the TTT tables was a bit of a shortcut that I took to get it up and running quick plus it has the side benefit of offering people who list with me a reward: you'll get traffic from me even if you don't send it or operate a trade script (how can you lose with an offer like that?).

That’s what a link list usually does anyway right? Are you referring to forced traffic?

Originally Posted by RamCharger

Now in regards to my motivation to dive into this sector, it's simple: a friend introduced me to this sector and showed me that there was some money to be made (which I'm hoping to do, but it's not critical that this happen immediately). So I'm gently wading on in to the market by getting my feet wet with both the TGP and now the link list site that I operate (we all need to start somewhere don't we?). I eventually hope to ditch my day job as I'm tired of the bullshit that goes along the market in which I operate in, but I know that I have a long ways to go before I have enough experience in this market to accomplish that so this is more of a hobby right now.

I welcome you to our "sector" but, I think its best that you know that a TGP and a Link List are to completely different monsters. A link list takes much much more time to build up than a TGP does. A link list should be mainly based around search engine traffic and not from traffic trades. Some traffic trades are fine but the fundamentals that make a link list different from a TGP is based on the quality of traffic and having informed surfers searching for targeted niche which they prefer which intern will increase your sales. TGPs IMO base their sales on the amount of traffic they can get from other traffic trades no matter were the traffic comes from and have more of a brute force method to them.

I think it would be best for you to start by submitting free sites so that you can understand your market instead of just jumping into a project like this. A link list is a full time job in itself so if you are doing this part time then it will take you twice as long to build it up. Traffic and sales do not come as easy with link list because it takes time to get the right targeted traffic to it. You will read in some post of seasoned Link List owners to run while you can because they understand the nature of the beast that is a link list. A link list is a long term investment which if done right can be profitable but not without a lot of work and sacrifice.

I wish you luck on your new project and would be willing to help you with any questions you may have.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Flex

|confused| It takes you the same amount of time to build a link list site as it does a tgp as far as design goes. I think you might need to look at this board some more and learn the difference between the two. The comment "I bought comus because I knew that I had no clue about the full functionality of TGP software let alone how to expediently replicate it in a self-built software package." sounds nice and technical but with all do respect just stick with the first part that you had no clue. Luckily you have come to one of the best place on the net to get one. I suggest you do a few searches on this board for free sites, link list, and search engine traffic to start to get a grasp of what I am saying as far as TGP and Link List go.

I'm using comus because I'm not running just a simple TGP, but a full fledged gallery that accepts submissions from other users (and I do have a few partners). The advanced features that it provides me with are ones that I could not have easilly nor quickly reproduced (image aging, rotation, image manipulation, site protection, etc). I understand that a normal, simple TGP takes no time to setup, but that's not exactly what I'm running.

Originally Posted by Flex

That’s what a link list usually does anyway right? Are you referring to forced traffic?

I welcome you to our "sector" but, I think its best that you know that a TGP and a Link List are to completely different monsters. A link list takes much much more time to build up than a TGP does. A link list should be mainly based around search engine traffic and not from traffic trades. Some traffic trades are fine but the fundamentals that make a link list different from a TGP is based on the quality of traffic and having informed surfers searching for targeted niche which they prefer which intern will increase your sales. TGPs IMO base their sales on the amount of traffic they can get from other traffic trades no matter were the traffic comes from and have more of a brute force method to them.

I think it would be best for you to start by submitting free sites so that you can understand your market instead of just jumping into a project like this. A link list is a full time job in itself so if you are doing this part time then it will take you twice as long to build it up. Traffic and sales do not come as easy with link list because it takes time to get the right targeted traffic to it. You will read in some post of seasoned Link List owners to run while you can because they understand the nature of the beast that is a link list. A link list is a long term investment which if done right can be profitable but not without a lot of work and sacrifice.

I wish you luck on your new project and would be willing to help you with any questions you may have.

How to address this... with adultlinkweb.com I'm trying to provide two things to the people who list on it: 1) traditional traffic by those who intentionally select their site on it via the link (thereby providing the quality traffic that you were referencing), and 2) forced traffic from adultpicweb.com. The later ensures that their site will get traffic instead of solely relying on the former. I see it as a double win with people who list with me.

It's important to note that adultlinkweb.com does not operate off a traffic trading scheme at all. The traffic trading comes in to place via adultpicweb. So by signing up at one place you're accomplishing two things: 1) a permanent hardlink on a link list (adultlinkweb.com), and 2) gaining random traffic from people via the TTT engine at adultpicweb.com thereby having people stumble on your site.

What has yet to be fleshed out (and I'll be working on it when more sites start listing) are the niches available, RSS feeds (I'm going to be implementing them), and the graphics design.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

....but I know that I have a long ways to go before I have enough experience in this market to accomplish that so this is more of a hobby right now.

That pretty much makes my point right there. Everyone needs a hobby.

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'm using comus because I'm not running just a simple TGP, but a full fledged gallery that accepts submissions from other users (and I do have a few partners). The advanced features that it provides me with are ones that I could not have easilly nor quickly reproduced (image aging, rotation, image manipulation, site protection, etc). I understand that a normal, simple TGP takes no time to setup, but that's not exactly what I'm running.

You've just described a standard TGP. That is what you are running - nothing special.

So, no free sites or galleries under your belt, eh? Must be interesting reviewing the work of others when you haven't a clue as to what is involved.

[Toby]

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Toby

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

LOL! Yep!

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

LOL! Yep!

What's the rush? Stay here and make yourself comfortable. I'll even be a civilized host and go fetch some coffee and doughnuts.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That pretty much makes my point right there. Everyone needs a hobby.

And one day when I have limitless time and boundless energy I might put the same amount of effort in to here as I do with my day job, but since I don't (I'm only holding a day job that involves 4hrs of commuting on top of the 8 that I'm there, pursuing my Masters [which involves classes and homework], and fighting a painful disease [which sucks]) I do what I can in the time that I can. Hopefully my efforts will not be for naught, but I'm not bothered if it takes me longer than someone who has plenty of time and dedication for this (my hats off to you all).

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You've just described a standard TGP. That is what you are running - nothing special.

I spelled out comus' feature set because I've seen TGPs that just use simple, static HTML files and that do not take submits. That's what I meant by a "plain TGP."

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So, no free sites or galleries under your belt, eh? Must be interesting reviewing the work of others when you haven't a clue as to what is involved.

I think that I mentioned somewhere that this was my entry into this sector. Pardon me for not coming in with bravado and purporting to know everything about this whole industry. Stupid me for being honest. Anyway, I'm only disapproving if there's something very, very dreadfully wrong with the site (dialers, autobookmarking, other obvious crap).

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Toby

I think I'm just going to back out the way I came in and forget that I just read this thread.

I'd rather you stay and contributed to the discussion, but if that's what you wish... I'm just trying to figure out why my concept of giving people random traffic from the TTT engine on top of whatever traffic they get from people intentionally clicking on their site in the link list is so impossible to understand (it works out for the person listing as well as me in the long run).

I mean the proof is right on the adultlinkweb.com site to show that there's no trickery involved here, but to demonstrate...

Here's a link right out of the index.html (main page) from adultlinkweb.com (you can do a view source on the page if you don't believe me):
<a href="http://coolchicktgp.net">cool chick tgp</a><span class="reportlink"> (<a href="/problem.php?id=12">Report Problem</a>)</span><br/>

Note carefully: it's a regular href direct to the site.

Here's the snipet of XSL code in the main.xsl template that created that link:
<xsl:template match="site">
<a href="{@url}"><xsl:value-of select="@name"/></a><xsl:if test="@desc"> - <xsl:value-of select="@desc"/></xsl:if><span class="reportlink"> (<a href="/problem.php?id={@id}">Report Problem</a>)</span><br/>
</xsl:template>

Here's the site entry in db.xml for the above site:
<site id="12" url="http://coolchicktgp.net" name="cool chick tgp">
<niche>general</niche>
</site>



With all the talk of doing something different on various threads I'm very confused at why my take on doing something different is being met with such confusion (if not resistance) when I am trying to do something that's mutually beneficial: you get a hard link and forced traffic to your site, my list expands courtesy of that link, that encourages people to visit, and, hopefully, they'll visit adultpicweb.com while they're at it. If I can make that any more clear I'd really appreciate your feedback on how.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'm just trying to figure out why my concept of giving people random traffic from the TTT engine on top of whatever traffic they get from people intentionally clicking on their site in the link list is so impossible to understand

Oh, it's not at all difficult to understand. What YOU are not understanding is that no one in the link list world wants RANDOM or FORCED traffic. We work on filtiering and honing our traffic to a higher quality than the circle-jerk traffic you are so generously offering to toss randomly at your listings.

I really didn't intend on dedicating this much of my time responding to hobby hour riff-raff, and since you continue to miss the point, I'll not take another stab at the rock under which you must reside. Suffice it to say that webmasters who work long hours builiding, submitting and toiling for their share of the traffic - deserve better.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Oh, it's not at all difficult to understand. What YOU are not understanding is that no one in the link list world wants RANDOM or FORCED traffic. We work on filtiering and honing our traffic to a higher quality than the circle-jerk traffic you are so generously offering to toss randomly at your listings.

I really didn't intend on dedicating this much of my time responding to hobby hour riff-raff, and since you continue to miss the point, I'll not take another stab at the rock under which you must reside. Suffice it to say that webmasters who work long hours builiding, submitting and toiling for their share of the traffic - deserve better.

And by submitting in one location you get both intentionally selected traffic and random traffic. I suppose there are people who will actively go browsing every link in a link list on every link list site (I'm not one to guess about such things) and who will find every porn site on the internet via search engine, but I'm ensuring that your site will get traffic by people just wandering around instead of relying on people intentionally clicking your sites link. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with enough people complaining about traffic (and that there's no such thing as too much) I always thought that more was better? So where is anyone losing? More traffic = more possibility for sales is what I thought the name of the game was.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

I'd rather you stay and contributed to the discussion, but if that's what you wish...

Since you've never built and submitted a gallery or free site I have serious doubts that I can afford the time required for said discussion.

There's a reason more advanced college courses have pre-requisites. In my opinion, the same reasoning applies here.

Step 1: Build and submit galleries or free sites.
Step 2: Build and run a successful TGP or Link List.
Step 3: Develop TGP or Link List software.

If you don't have the requisite experience yourself, the only other way is to team up and work closely with someone that does.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Toby

Since you've never built and submitted a gallery or free site I have serious doubts that I can afford the time required for said discussion.

There's a reason more advanced college courses have pre-requisites. In my opinion, the same reasoning applies here.

Step 1: Build and submit galleries or free sites.
Step 2: Build and run a successful TGP or Link List.
Step 3: Develop TGP or Link List software.

If you don't have the requisite experience yourself, the only other way is to team up and work closely with someone that does.

I'm trying all three steps right now. Steps 1 & 2: Started late last year with AdultPicWeb.com (it's not a screaming success, but it's providing me with a platform to learn from). Step 3 [develop link list software] and the run Link List portion of Step 2: Is where I'm at now. I developed the software that drives adultlinkweb.com from scratch in only a few hours (the portion of it that in any way works off TTT is the portion that dumps the data from the TTT MySQL table [via two SELECT queries] into a custom XML file, but even that part is a script written from scratch).