rules on using a P.O. Box in my whois?

[SecretEden]

Hi,

What are the rules generally on using a PO Box as my address in the whois info for my sites? My girlfriend is not keen on me listing our home address in PO Box or 2257 documents.

Any help appreciated!

[MrYum]

That may be a bit sticky for 2257 reasons. My understanding of 2257 is that a P.O. box isn't good enough...unless you or a staff member are IN that P.O. box 20 hours/week. Oh, and of course all your 2257 records would need to be in that box as well

That said, I think the consensus on the board several months ago was that most reviewers don't want to be the 2257 police. So, how you deal with 2257 and your P.O. box I don't believe should cause you problems with link lists.

When I'm checking out a new submitter and looking at their whois info, I don't care if it's a P.O. box. As long as their name or company name and address look reasonable and I can determine where they're hosted...I'm a happy camper

Saw a whois the other night where the comedian had listed Buckingham Palace as his street address and Monaco as his city. Mr Funny Pants didn't get listed with me...and probably not with a bunch of other lists as well

[SecretEden]

cheers Mr Yum

A little searching and investigation today left me wondering if I put MY name and address in the 2257 or the company whose images I am advertising? I was sure it was my details, as it was my site, but today I see other people listing their sponsors details as the 2257 record...

confusing!

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by SecretEden

cheers Mr Yum

A little searching and investigation today left me wondering if I put MY name and address in the 2257 or the company whose images I am advertising? I was sure it was my details, as it was my site, but today I see other people listing their sponsors details as the 2257 record...

confusing!

There were many threads in these forums about that issue when the 2257 mess hit the fan last year. Part of 2257 was to make anyone publishing images to the web a secondary producer...thereby requiring that person to maintain model records and use their own information on 2257 delarations on their sites.

Since 2257 was challenged in court, the secondary producer component is effectively on hold. So, I think most webmasters are back to status quo for now...listing their content provider as 2257 detail (sponsor content would likely use the sponsors 2257 info).

All that said, I'm no lawyer and the 2257 issue is far too complicated to explain in a few lines. I'd strongly suggest you search these forums and others for more information on the subject and find your own comfort zone. Note that finding your comfort zone may require contacting a lawyer versed in 2257.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by SecretEden

Hi,

What are the rules generally on using a PO Box as my address in the whois info for my sites? My girlfriend is not keen on me listing our home address in PO Box or 2257 documents.

Any help appreciated!

Use her mother's address.

While I am one of those pricks who demands an exposed and honest whois, I don't foresee a listing issue due to the use of P.O. box. The Yumster mentioned the 2257 issue which, for most people, will create the greatest burden when it comes which address to use. Otherwise, just make sure you use a real address where you can receive important mailings in case the shit hits the fan some day.

As far as security concerns due to using one's home address, I typically find most people's worries a tad laughable. I've been at this since late '01 (still haven't made a single sale) and the only industry-related concern I've had in my offline life was a bi-polar neighbor going nuts on me and threatening to force me out the community (I wish!) because I was wearing a "porn shirt". Of course, that guy gets taken to the mental health unit by the cops every couple of weeks because he refuses to take his medication. I very kindly informed him that if he ever raised his voice again in such a tone, his body would be found floating down the mighty Hudson. I also carry a knife and have two rather anti-social dogs, but that's because I fear my fellow webmasters, not porn surfers.

[plateman]

private whois = instant banned

PO BOX = Instant delete

on my LL's

I gotta post my personal info so why shouldnt you, and its a must if your gonna have any chance at making more than a 100 bucks a month doing porn, a lot of LL and tgps wont list you otherwise....

those amateur singles sites I could see having a PO BOX but a average web porn slinger is a no go...

[Useless]

Originally Posted by plateman

PO BOX = Instant delete

But why? A great many people have a P.O. box for their normal mailing address. They aren't attempting to hide where they live, they just don't get mail directly to their home.

Is this a common policy amongst other lists? I'd never adopt it, but curiosity is peaked, sort of.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

But why? A great many people have a P.O. box for their normal mailing address. They aren't attempting to hide where they live, they just don't get mail directly to their home.

Is this a common policy amongst other lists? I'd never adopt it, but curiosity is peaked, sort of.

Yea...that's a new one on me too.

[HarryM]

Originally Posted by plateman

those amateur singles sites I could see having a PO BOX but a average web porn slinger is a no go...

Who says? I use a PO Box and I have never had a problem with it, infact you listed one of my sites on your own link list pornoplentyxxxlinks.com just a couple of months ago.
For me a PO Box just helps to seperate business from personal matters much like seperate bank accounts etc.
I think the idea of punishing a BUSINESS for using a PO Box is nothing short of ridiculous.

[SecretEden]

ok, thanks all for the input.

Plateman, I would have liked to submit to your site too. I can understand where your coming from, but I gotta weigh up the wrath of disobeying my girlfriend, vs getting listed Not getting listed feels like a kick in the balls, but actually getting kicked in the balls feels like ... erm... REAL!

Maybe i could use robots.txt to stop my 2257s getting indexed. The main problem I think my girlfriend has, is if someone types in "my street name" into google, she doesnt want it to come back with a million hardcore porn sites with our address on them!

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Is this a common policy amongst other lists?

Not with me at least.

[plateman]

Alright it may have sounded a little harsh, if its a fishy PO box and i dont like the site....

Harry I listed your site and never checked and if I did I would still list it...

[Greenguy]

What exactly makes a PO Box look fishy?

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

What exactly makes a PO Box look fishy?

If its slimy and flops around

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by plateman

If its slimy and flops around

I hate it when that happens!

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

What exactly makes a PO Box look fishy?

P.O. Box 69 Cuntsville, Mass-of-two-tits.

[trix]

I have used a P.O. box since 1999 for adult business and for mainstream business since the early 1980's. If anyone is looking for me and goes to the postoffice, those folks will tell you where I live and what I drive. I live in a tiny town and drive an odd vehicle. I got in the habit of keeping a permanent PO BOX in the 1980's so if I moved, old friends and suppliers from my mainstream business could find me. Simply a matter of convenience as the postoffice only forwards your mail for 6 months and I sometimes get checks from sponsors I haven't thought of in years. THat really didn't address the 2257 but I keep good records so I hope I am okay.

[trix]

Oh, and meant to say you can get a box at one of those "mailbox" places and get a pseudo address such as 1237 Main Street, Suite 458 that actually refers to a box and not a real address. So that may cover some folks who don't give out addresses.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by plateman

private whois = instant banned

PO BOX = Instant delete

on my LL's

I gotta post my personal info so why shouldnt you,

The reason why I shouldn't is because those naked pictures I am submitting to your site and a bajillion other are actual naked pictures of ME. I am making a living by inviting strange men to fantasize about having sex with me. Surfers are, therefore, a whole fucking hell of a lot more likely to want to camp out on my lawn than yours. And I don't want to give them any more information than I absolutely have too.

Even if I weren't worried on my own behalf, I would be worried about it for the sake of my 2 kids, who could also be endangered if one of these guys should decide to track me down and camp out on my lawn.

Obviously, you are aware of this possibility:

Originally Posted by plateman

those amateur singles sites I could see having a PO BOX but a average web porn slinger is a no go...

Plateman, would you consider accepting sites from a submitter with a private whois if they could provide alternate verification such as perhaps a doing business as registration?

I also wonder how the LL owners who ban private whois's would like the godaddy business registration, which is (I gather) a private registration with a linked business directory. Any opinions?

[plateman]

Cherie yeah I checked you out through whois and I think I can trust you, just use your board name and always use the same email addy...

your hosting looks ok...so submitt to me is ok..

[69pornlinks]

Originally Posted by plateman

PO BOX = Instant delete

on my LL's

I gotta post my personal info so why shouldnt you, ..

What???

who says you gotta post your info..a box is only 37 every 6 months...why would you put your personal addy for all can see..to each it's own...i guesss i won't get listed at your LL

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by plateman

Cherie yeah I checked you out through whois and I think I can trust you, just use your board name and always use the same email addy...

your hosting looks ok...so submitt to me is ok..

Thanks Plateman

I would have written to you to make sure before I submitted to Porn O Plenty, but it is very nice to have "preapproval" (so to speak).

Just out of curiosity I spent half an hour looking up various domains' whois last night...about 80% of the independent paysites I checked had either a private whois or a PO box, and better than half of the LL's I checked also had a PO box. And at least one LL I looked at had a fake address! (It was something like "the pit, Hell TX.") So I guess there's not really a consensus on this.

[Jim]

I have used a PO Box for over 10 years now. I used it to hide way back and I guess i still do. Nobody needs to know where someone really lives. They just have to know where you really pick up mail.

[juggernaut]

I have one that I use and last year I was concerned about not being able to use it with the 2257 crap. And shit my wife is home most of the day by herself and my dog is no attack dog. Her being from another country she is not up to speed on how some people try to get in peoples houses by posing as a handyman or official. I told her never open the door for anyone. I don’t care if it's a cop. No door open! Have them call me.
Anyway as far as the PO box is concerned. The government can go fuck themselves. My “who is” shit is all the same, same P.O. and same name on every domain. If they want me all they have to do is ask the post office and they will tell them. Then they can come and talk. Fuck putting that shit out. If I came home and my wife was hurt or killed because of some nutcase who saw her on her webcam and decided to look her up for a visit. I would kill everyone; even innocent fuckers would be snipped out. I would start hunting fuckers down, just because.