New CCBill Admin - Discuss

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Cleo

So to be clear on this...
If FoxyAngel moves to the new system we could make a new tour for the new system and the old tour using the old system would also continue tracking sales for the affiliates that didn't want to switch and for all the old links that affiliates have.

Yes, you could do that no problem. Making a new tour would not be altogether necessary but with all the new features it might be a good idea.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul

Yes, you could do that no problem. Making a new tour would not be altogether necessary but with all the new features it might be a good idea.

Wouldn't the codes on the join links change with the new system and no longer properly credit affiliate traffic still using the old codes?

For sites that have a php front end, like FoxyAngel, it probably gets more complicated.

[Beaver Bob]

Thats a nice idea cleo.

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Cleo

Wouldn't the codes on the join links change with the new system and no longer properly credit affiliate traffic still using the old codes?

For sites that have a php front end, like FoxyAngel, it probably gets more complicated.

No, the join links for sponsors will not change, this will only affect the banner linking code for affiliates ie the refer.ccbill.com links.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

Thats a nice idea cleo.

Yeah FoxyAngel has a bunch of old forgotten tours that are left on the server so that any old links will still get credit. No big deal to duplicate a tour to use a new system.

[Greenguy]

Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

This is why whenever FoxyAngel had a change to the linking codes we duplicated the tour and had the new linking codes point to the new tour leaving the old tour in place to be forgotten but not deleted.

This allowed us to do new galleries with the new linking code to point to the new tour without affecting any of the old stuff.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Cleo

...This allowed us to do new galleries with the new linking code to point to the new tour without affecting any of the old stuff.

But then 1/2 the links are on the old admin & 1/2 are on the new fancy admin. I'd have thought/hoped that they would have thought of this ahead of time & had an easy solution that didn't involve changing EVERY link code if you wanted to take advantage of the new stats admin.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'd have thought/hoped that they would have thought of this ahead of time & had an easy solution that didn't involve changing EVERY link code if you wanted to take advantage of the new stats admin.

Yes, that would have been an ideal solution, but when you're talking about implenting changes across such a large high volume database while it remains online and stable, there are simply some limitations to what can be done.

[Beaver Bob]

how about webmaster referral in the new system??

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

how about webmaster referral in the new system??

Referrals in the new system work exactly as they did in the old system.

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

We are currently working on some solutions for this but at this time this functionality does not exist in the new system.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul

We are currently working on some solutions for this but at this time this functionality does not exist in the new system.

That's VERY disappointing & honestly should have been a PRIORITY since most, if not all affiliate programs that have hosted materials use a similar system.

Toby - you can't tell me that there is no way to incorporate an account number into this new system. That just stupid.

[Greenguy]

I refuse to believe that no one at CCBill thought it'd be a good idea for the new system to take the CA and PA portion from this:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671

and insert it into the new code. Hell, what part of the paysite's acct number & affiliate's acct number is useless to the new system?

I'm honestly speechless at the stupidity of this.

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I refuse to believe that no one at CCBill thought it'd be a good idea for the new system to take the CA and PA portion from this:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671

and insert it into the new code. Hell, what part of the paysite's acct number & affiliate's acct number is useless to the new system?

I'm honestly speechless at the stupidity of this.

Those values are inserted into the enrypted string located in the new linking code. For example: http://wms.ccbill.com/wmsct/w_id/fo6...SLvJPZb2tsWMs*

[Greenguy]

So this code:
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0000&PA=501671
is tracked by the new system?

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So this code:
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0000&PA=501671
is tracked by the new system?

No. That code will continue to work with the old features and old reports but if you want to use the new reports and new features of the WMS you will have to use the new linking code.

[Trixie]

Are any sponsors using it yet? We're on the list to add it (understanding the old way will run concurrently for affiliates who want to keep using the old way) but I would love to sign up as an affiliate to any sponsors who're using it right now to see.

I have no expectations that everything will be perfect, but I'm still really excited to be able to customize delivery of promos and stuff to affiliates and as an affiliate myself, I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

[Greenguy]

BROWN NOSE!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul

No. That code will continue to work with the old features and old reports but if you want to use the new reports and new features of the WMS you will have to use the new linking code.

Is there a reason that the old codes do not work with the new admin? Honestly, I'd think that would have been on the top of the list when CCBill wrote up what they'd want the new admin to do.

Meaning, why would you PURPOSELY design an admin that completely left out every existing link code from the last 12+ YEARS?

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Trixie

...I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

I'd like to see that too. Hopefully this new system will be better than what Epoch promised and failed to deliver on.

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Are any sponsors using it yet? We're on the list to add it (understanding the old way will run concurrently for affiliates who want to keep using the old way) but I would love to sign up as an affiliate to any sponsors who're using it right now to see.

I have no expectations that everything will be perfect, but I'm still really excited to be able to customize delivery of promos and stuff to affiliates and as an affiliate myself, I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

Currently no one has been moved over to the new system. We will begin the migration process very soon and it should not be long before you can start using the system.

We feel that you will be very pleased with all of the new features and reports.

[CCBill_Paul]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Is there a reason that the old codes do not work with the new admin? Honestly, I'd think that would have been on the top of the list when CCBill wrote up what they'd want the new admin to do.

Meaning, why would you PURPOSELY design an admin that completely left out every existing link code from the last 12+ YEARS?

Trust me, keeping the old style linking codes was certainly a top priority for us however due to the complexity and amount of new features coupled with the introduction of the unique ID's there was just no way we could pull it off.

[Greenguy]

That's a lie. I refuse to believe that the programmers could not include the paysite's & affiliates code into the new system.

Hell, here's the solution: if my new "unique" account number is 1234567, then have a database that has ALL my old codes in it. Each time it sees one, like 581222 for Amateur facials, replace it with 1234567.

Problem solved.

[MadCat]

Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul

Currently no one has been moved over to the new system. We will begin the migration process very soon and it should not be long before you can start using the system.

We feel that you will be very pleased with all of the new features and reports.

I feel you might want to have a, how shall we say it, open beta for a while first before you go and throw real world traffic at it?