AFF (A possibly productive thread)

[Twiceshy]

I was about to post the same thing Tek

[Emerald]

Originally Posted by D2222

Because for the longest time we all promoted AFF through Smut Gremlins. BTW this post hurts me on a personal level.

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.

Originally Posted by D2222

When newbies come in here. We all bash em for even mentioning AFF. Meanwhile most of us are promoting Smut Gremlins. I found this board contradicting during that time because LOR linked to Smut Gremlins on the main page.

Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. You talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!

Originally Posted by D2222

We all linked to her and no one said anything. I did some chats with UW, Tek and T-Pat about it and looks like word got around that I was talking shit maybe.

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!

Originally Posted by D2222

The banners are gone now but just recently they were removed.

Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?

Originally Posted by D2222

Ok. Now lets look into this skimming issue a little deeper. Here's something to check into WildChyld.

I signed up @ AFF through Smut Gremlins about 2 weeks ago with user name "LeRoykiller"

If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.

Originally Posted by D2222

Just for shit and giggles. Lets find out if she got credit or not.

Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

[Emerald]

and on another note ... Sorry to wildchyld for highjacking this thread .... what I do or dont do on MY Link List in not the subject of this thread...

Please go back to discussing why or why not you like aff

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Emerald

I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!

Knowing that I'm not a fan of AFF, he hit me up and asked my opinion about an AFF ad on your site, presumably wondering if it was ok to promote them. Nothing nefarious, Emmy. D2222 doesn't mean any harm. He's just not a grand communicator.

Session Start (3441653482222): Mon Aug 18 15:35:56 2008
[15:36] Useless Warrior: Ah, that's who you are. I was seeing only your ICQ number and had no idea who you were.
[15:36] D2222:
[15:36] D2222: hi
[15:37] Useless Warrior: Howdy
[15:37] D2222: really quick can i chit cat for sec?
[15:37] D2222: chat*
[15:37] Useless Warrior: certainly
[15:37] D2222: (Link: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...604#post415604
[15:38] Useless Warrior: Yes?
[15:38] D2222: (Link: http://www.smutgremlins.com/)http://...tgremlins.com/
[15:38] Useless Warrior: LOL
[15:39] Useless Warrior: It's really one of those "to each their own" situations.
[15:39] D2222: yah i know
[15:39] Useless Warrior: I think everyone promoting AFF realized that they're getting fairly heavily skimmed and scandaled, but if you keep making money, it's all worth it in the end.
[15:40] Useless Warrior: I won't touch them anymore, but I hold grudges against sponsors.
[15:40] D2222: yah if you have great traffic then the skim is ok
[15:40] Useless Warrior: AFF was the biggest one holding hands with Zango
[15:40] Useless Warrior: exaclty. XXX Jay claims to make good money still with AFF.
[15:41] D2222: wow
[15:41] D2222: it all over jays member pages
[15:41] D2222: he gave me a pass over the weekend
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I'm one of those funny people who won't play games with sponsors who I know are screwing me.
[15:42] Useless Warrior: I prefer the ones who are better at covering it up.
[15:42] D2222: yah im with you on that one
[15:42] D2222: hehehe
[15:44] D2222: are you still accepting submitters for Whoring Wives?
[15:44] D2222: i signed under you @ *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* btw
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Not right now. It wouldn't be fair to my current submitters since my backlog increases every day.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Hey! *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* is my best kept secret.
[15:45] Useless Warrior: Toby and I were discussing *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* this past weekend.
[15:45] D2222: i was surfing your site
[15:46] Useless Warrior: pervert
[15:46] D2222: thats how I found them
[15:46] Useless Warrior: Even though *SPONSOR NAME OMITTED* content is obviously professional, it converts very well on amateur/wife/interracial traffic.
[15:47] Useless Warrior: I think *PAYSITE OMITTED* is the site that converts best for me with *PAYSITE OMITTED* coming second best.
[15:47] D2222: nice
[15:47] D2222: im not too good at the interracial niche
[15:49] Useless Warrior: I'm not very good at any niche in particular. Never have been.
[15:50] D2222:
[15:51] D2222: i gotta go and check the kid. i'll talk to you soon .
[15:51] Useless Warrior: Later
[15:52] D2222: thanks for lending the ear. I needed that
[15:52] Useless Warrior: We all need it now and then
[15:53] D2222: have a good one
[15:53] Useless Warrior: You too
Session Close (D2222): Mon Aug 18 15:53:36 2008

[sue-fl]

Emerald is totally right, her LL has nothing to do with this post.

I don't care what she does on her LL it's hers to do what ever she wants to. Without getting any attitude about it!

[Greenguy]

I'd also like to say that every time I see Emmy, which is rather often, I bash her by asking if she's still doing business with AFF

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Emerald

When did you EVER promote AFF through Smutgremlins? You have never been given any right to promote anything on my domain. If you choose to promote AFF on one of your FS, it is something your doing of your own choice and on your domain, NOT mine!
I am not a/your sponsor - Your recip table isnt "promoting" LL's - Its a token of appreciation from the submitter to the LL for the traffic.



Again, what has Smutgremlins got to do with your gripe at AFF and what gives you the right to select Smutgremlins as a domain to grind your axe about? If you don't want to link to Smutgremlins on your FS don't add my recip and don't submit to me. Your talk about contradictions yet you are contradicting yourself with your last statement and if LOR and I trade links, again, what business is that of yours!



I'd like to know what you discussed with UW, Tek and TPat regarding Smutgremlins? Anyone care to reply? More to the point. If you have something you want to discuss about Smutgremlins, TALK TO ME!



Were they? Are you spying on me? Do you watch for every change that is made on Smutgremlins? WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT I DO ON MY DOMAINS?



If you signed up as a surfer, what did you hope to prove?
If you signed up under Smutgremlins as an affiliate, again what did you hope to prove.

I don't give a damn if you signed up under a banner on my domain or not. Either way you have no right to discuss what I do or do not do on my domain!
The fact that their are links to AFF on Smutgremlins is my business and they are there for a reason I am not going to discuss.

Gripe all you want to about AFF if you wish, That's your choice but DO NOT mention myself or my domain in your rants. I do not want to be involved in this discussion in this manner and if I wish to make a comment in this thread I will when it suits me! I have never posted in any threads regarding AFF and that's my personal choice and my business.


Personally I don't give a shit if I did or not, I'd quite happily see the account denied after your comments above... Just for shits and giggles.

You are absolutely correct Emerald. I apologize dearly for bringing this up. and yes it is your business and you do have the right to promote who you want. I will never dispute that.

I mentioned you and your domain because you are a trusted member here. While this board has repeatedly said that AFF is not trustworthy. I have always looked up to you and your site. I am not trying to bash you or throw you under the bus.

The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us.





I hope this will get to AFF and things will change and we all can make some good money.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by D2222

...The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us...

I can't wait to hear what this means

[Useless]

Originally Posted by D2222

The reason I signed up at your site is because I want a 3rd chick to come around my home to please us.

I was right - you are a pervert! Does this mean you are trying to get a threeway going with Emmy, or are you using AFF to pull a threeway? Where's bluebrit? He needs to know that D2222 is making passes at his new wife.

[WildChyld]

You are all perverts
Like you needed me to tell you that.

I can promise you this much. If anyone has problems with them while I am working here I'll do what I can to fix it. Thats all I can do.

I've worked with companies before that had some questionable shady past dealings. A certain bay area kinky site in particular and before I left I was able to make a few changes there that stuck including insuring the models safety through insurance, training & safety measures that didn't exist before I got there.

Who knows. Maybe I'll get frustrated and bail after a week. Maybe not. Either way you'll get the inside scoop.

[Bobc01]

Can yer kick LARS in the bollocks? or is that what keeps his ears apart.

[WildChyld]

i haven't even seen Lars.
I think they make him hang out in a very quiet room far, far away from me

[shunga]

Have you stopped the fake profile ads on the tube sites?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by shunga

Have you stopped the fake profile ads on the tube sites?

Of course not. Stolen content/copyright infringement means NOTHING to AFF.

[WildChyld]

I don't do ad buys but I have the ad list in front of me and I don't see anything like that. I work only with business development, affiliates & partners.

I know that they do buy on tube sites (mainly to counter sexsearch's buys) but the banners they all just look like the other friend finder banners. I hate the tube sites but let's face it, ff is a big massive business. They only care about the financial and legal sides of things, which is one of the reasons they wanted me on board, I am better at keeping people happy.

You should see how strict they are on what I can make creatives out of. It's super corporate in the way things are done. They are all about covering their asses.
AFF being corporate & doing business with people who kind of suck. Definitely.

AFF being not trustworthy? That I haven't seen any evidence of. Trust me I'm looking.

My job isn't to do day to day work on accounts but I can take them on if I choose to.
If anyone has accounts they want me to look into or SPECIFIC complaints they think will change my stance I'd be more than welcome to look into them. I can also take on an account if you'd just rather have it optimized better or want me to keep an eye on things for you. Just catch me at hpowers@ffn.com.

[shunga]

Not too long ago your fake profile ads were all over tubes. Now I see Fling ads, which might well be pulling the same geo targetting trick.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...I know that they do buy on tube sites (mainly to counter sexsearch's buys)...

That's not a legit reason for buying ads on a site! And, if you're saying it is, that means that AFF would buy ads on CP, beasty & r4pe sites if Sex Search did first.

[LeRoy]

off topic but I will say that my previous post is uncalled for.

I apologize for lashing out about my thoughts on other members domains domain . I have no excuse

Emerald I hope you will find it your heart to forgive me

On another note. I will gladly fight the fight with you wildchild. Lets do this

PM me for any additional help that is needed . With pay of course

[WildChyld]

I'm not saying thats the decision I would have made Greenie.
Its just how often are at larger companies. They make decisions based upon the bottom line. You should see the insane amounts of money people make promoting AFF.

I must say that it is nice being able to go home at the end of the day and not care what happens at a company over the weekend. Usually I get so emotionally invested in the places that I work that it totally eats my brain even on my days off.

This weekend I played rockband2, worked on my novel & started looking into my nonprofit without even the slightest concern over work. That in itself is a first for me.

[MadCat]

Just because AFF is a larger company doesn't mean they have to completely abandon their morals or ethics -- I can point out many a larger corporation that will still have some idea of what's right and what's wrong.

The fake ads: grey area. Fake ads on tube sites: wrong. Anything that deals with essentially advertising on sites that have illegal content: wrong.

From the adult webmaster point of view that one seems fair. If AFF doesn't want to go that route, then I can't blame anyone for going off at them the way they have been in the past few years.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by WildChyld

...You should see the insane amounts of money people make promoting AFF...

So because other scumbags do it - that makes it ok?

YOU are too good to be associated with AFF. I feel really bad that you felt the need or had to take a job with them, because I know you are a good & decent person.

You're not going to solve any problems around here - AFF has chosen to do business in an uber greedy fashion & most of us think that's wrong.

[Greenguy]

You are the lipstick on the pig that is AFF.

Timely

[WildChyld]

ZOMG ... I don't wanna be lipstick

[Bobc01]

Wildchyld, if there's any good you can do, you could atleast cut don't on their spammers..
all-women-dates.com/mainindex.html

[BuZzZ]

cuttttttt the b