New Spam Law Coming Down!

Hank_Heartland · 2003-11-24, 01:44 PM

Read it and enjoy at http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1024_3-..._2516&subj=ns_

Now, Greenie stop spamming me

Greenguy · 2003-11-24, 03:37 PM

I've never spammed anyone.....but I have sent out the occasional newsletter

Cleo · 2003-11-24, 03:46 PM

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Jim · 2003-11-24, 03:48 PM

I wish someone would make a law about paper spam. Damn, I have never seen such a thing. Everyone hates getting spam but all you really have to do is hit delete.

Sarah_Jayne · 2003-11-24, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleo
Loose 20 pounds in twenty minutes while getting a lower interest rate on your mortgage and at no extra charge grow a bigger penis and increase your breast size.

and don't forget to get your free degree without studying whilst getting your cable descrambled and playing with your new mini remote control car.

DangerDave · 2003-11-24, 04:19 PM

Looks about as useless a the new ANTI-SPAM law here.. un-enforcable.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+anti+spam+law

Problem with ours also includes massive search and seizure rights for the authorities.

DD

Fisty Palmer · 2003-11-24, 07:42 PM

I love the spams that are unintentionally written with ambiguous meanings. Here's a recent headline that cracked me up:

Get a KILLER Penis!!!!

~~~

Now my first thought was: What does the thing do, harpoon people to death?

I guess it's like having a weapon of mass destruction in your pants.

Your new killer penis will not only add an extra 6 inches to your love life, but you'll get 10-20 years in the state penitentiary, too.

Hmmm...have you ever noticed the similarities between the words penitentiary and penis?

Fisty
|rasta|

Dr Bizzaro · 2003-11-24, 07:57 PM

I hope 100's of fucking spammers get HUGE ass fines and/or go to jail.
I am so sick of this shit.

DangerDave · 2003-11-24, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr Bizzaro
I hope 100's of fucking spammers get HUGE ass fines and/or go to jail.
I am so sick of this shit.

100% on that one DrB... I could do without the wasted BW and time deleting the 1000s I get per day.

DD

babymaker · 2003-11-25, 03:06 AM

from what i just read tho looks like you can spam as much as you want as long as you dont use a phony script to hide your true address. doesn't seem to be that strong, i had heard it was going to be much stronger. maybe i need to go re-read it lol its 3am hehe. sleepy.

Mishi · 2003-11-25, 04:12 AM

I hate, hate, HATE SPAM - but, I'd rather be saddled with dealing it on my own terms than expect the guvment to handle it for me. Draconian anti-SPAM measures are much more likely to harm legitimate bulk-emailers than they are to take down serious, hardcore spammers.

Hardcore spammers use all kinds of tricks to hide their identity. The chances of anyone even bothering to track them down, much less succeeding, are relatively small.

OTOH suppose you run a legitimate, double-opt-in email list: With many of the Anti-SPAM measures introduced, the burden of proof is on YOU. If you're legit enough to use your own email addy and not spoof your headers, YOU are the one who's going to get called to the carpet - not the cheaters who hide behind layers of protection.

Don't think it won't happen. I have a mainstream website with a teenie, tiny, totally double-opt-in mailing list. I send out newsletters about once every six months, just to remind subscribers that we're still around. Last time I sent out a newsletter, I got back a message from a totally irate subscriber, demanding to know how on God's Green Earth I'd managed to find the wherewithal to violate his sacred email box (yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but only a very little bit). I sent back a personal email reminding him he'd asked to subscribe, along with the unsubscribe link and a personal promise to unsubscribe him myself if he wasn't comfortable clicking the link. I never heard back. I unsubscribed him anyway. Asshole.

But I digress...

Anyway, to summarize:
I hate SPAM
I hate unnecessary laws even more than I hate SPAM

JohnnyUtah · 2003-11-25, 09:26 AM

Trust me...its never going away.

We get calls here at the office... Allmost to unreal to
beleive...

We get death threats, bomb threats, people wanting to kill our pets, burn our office down, burn our houses down, attack our network.

Then we ask the mailer (our client) if it was opt-in. He replies with the guys IP, date, time, site he entered his info.

Then you confront the accuser... and or course, he doesnt reply back, Or he totally forgot about joining that letter.

These laws are only gonna hurt legit webmasters.
I dont think no spammer has ever used his real header for mailing.

Those laws are not gonna solve anything.

Tommy · 2003-11-25, 09:43 AM

Ya know whats funny

everytime we have a thread about spam
there is a little information like Hank provided

then lots of other webmasters like Dr Bizzaro post something like

Quote:

I hope 100's of fucking spammers get HUGE ass fines and/or go to jail.

and then we have Jim who always says something like: I dont know whay everyone hates spam. All you have to do is hit delete.

Its not they are cutting down trees to send it

what i find funny is that Jim is so far off on the other side

for the momment spam is here to stay, I just read an article in newsweek
about some spamer who claims to be making something like 30 million a month

urb · 2003-11-25, 11:01 AM

30 million a month?

Lets suppose that you send out a million emails to a list..... and the response rate is similar to junk mail, which is about 2.5%.

That is 25,000 people who are going to maybe click that link...... then let's suppose out of the 25,000 people 2.5% actually buy something.

That 625 sales @ a figure of about $20 per sale.

That's $12,500 per email. Hypothetically speaking a spammer may send out 1 email per day.... which brings in a grand monthly total of $375,000 per month.

So to make 30 million, a spammer would have to send 80 emails per day.

Hank_Heartland · 2003-11-25, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyUtah
Trust me...its never going away.

We get calls here at the office... Allmost to unreal to
beleive...

We get death threats, bomb threats, people wanting to kill our pets, burn our office down, burn our houses down, attack our network.

Then we ask the mailer (our client) if it was opt-in. He replies with the guys IP, date, time, site he entered his info.

Then you confront the accuser... and or course, he doesnt reply back, Or he totally forgot about joining that letter.

These laws are only gonna hurt legit webmasters.
I dont think no spammer has ever used his real header for mailing.

Those laws are not gonna solve anything.

Tommy, that is toooo funny

That's $360 mil per yr...That spammer must be microsoft|skull|

Tommy · 2003-11-25, 12:27 PM

Mabe it was 3 milion
it was in newsweek last week so its a reliable source

RawAlex · 2003-11-25, 12:54 PM

Spam won't go away until they replace SMTP (the mail protocol) with something a little more secure and less easily spoofed. Right now it is too easy to hide behind open relays, faked headers, and freebie redirection services so that the actual sending cannot be found.

Tommy, there are a couple of spammers (like Alan Ralsky) who claim to be making really big dollars. They are running anywhere between 5 and 20 campaigns per day, sending tens of millions of emails per day. Even a low return rate is profitable. However, as companies like AOL, MSN, and Earthlink work to block out more spam, it makes it harder for these people to make money. Over time, the return per email sent is dropping.

More importantly, there is a serious lack of new product for them to promote, so all you are seeing now is an endless parade of penis patches, diet drugs, and model RC cars. That also leads to fewer and fewer buyers per email sent. This will cotninue to lower the value of spam as a marketing tool.

I was hoping that the spam law was going to work to punish the beneficiaries of the spam (the programs that actually process for these spammers) and stop the demand for spam.

Alex

BigJohn · 2003-11-25, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mishi
[b]I hate, hate, HATE SPAM - but, I'd rather be saddled with dealing it on my own terms than expect the guvment to handle it for me...

I agree! Don't need my tax dollars paying more govt employees to sit around and solve nothing.

|ufo|

babymaker · 2003-11-25, 06:30 PM

plus dosent it say we can spam all we want as long as we include a po box??? i can go get a po box, does that mean i can send 2 million emails a day??? this law makes now sence. well, i dont get much spam so it doesnt bother me i hate pop-ups and hijackers. esspecially when i am checking stats lol. why do some sposors pop-up their sites to us who get the content for free??? maybe i am crazy but not only is it annoying as hell, what kind of marketing plan is that if you already have the content and sell it why would you buy it???

2003-11-24, 01:44 PM	#1
Hank_Heartland The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 177	New Spam Law Coming Down! Read it and enjoy at http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1024_3-..._2516&subj=ns_ Now, Greenie stop spamming me

2003-11-24, 03:37 PM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,769	I've never spammed anyone.....but I have sent out the occasional newsletter __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2003-11-24, 03:46 PM	#3
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Loose 20 pounds in twenty minutes while getting a lower interest rate on your mortgage and at no extra charge grow a bigger penis and increase your breast size. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-11-24, 04:19 PM	#6
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Looks about as useless a the new ANTI-SPAM law here.. un-enforcable. http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+anti+spam+law Problem with ours also includes massive search and seizure rights for the authorities. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-11-24, 07:57 PM	#8
Dr Bizzaro I'm not interested in the facts, I'm interested in my opinion. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,620	I hope 100's of fucking spammers get HUGE ass fines and/or go to jail. I am so sick of this shit. __________________ -DrBizzaro Make BIG $ selling text links! Sell Links and get $$

2003-11-24, 03:48 PM	#4
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I wish someone would make a law about paper spam. Damn, I have never seen such a thing. Everyone hates getting spam but all you really have to do is hit delete.

2003-11-24, 07:42 PM	#7
Fisty Palmer Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Left Coast Posts: 104	I love the spams that are unintentionally written with ambiguous meanings. Here's a recent headline that cracked me up: Get a KILLER Penis!!!! ~~~ Now my first thought was: What does the thing do, harpoon people to death? I guess it's like having a weapon of mass destruction in your pants. Your new killer penis will not only add an extra 6 inches to your love life, but you'll get 10-20 years in the state penitentiary, too. Hmmm...have you ever noticed the similarities between the words penitentiary and penis? Fisty \|rasta\|

2003-11-25, 03:06 AM	#10
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	from what i just read tho looks like you can spam as much as you want as long as you dont use a phony script to hide your true address. doesn't seem to be that strong, i had heard it was going to be much stronger. maybe i need to go re-read it lol its 3am hehe. sleepy.

2003-11-25, 04:12 AM	#11
Mishi I want to live. I want to experience the universe, and I want to eat pie. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain Posts: 661	I hate, hate, HATE SPAM - but, I'd rather be saddled with dealing it on my own terms than expect the guvment to handle it for me. Draconian anti-SPAM measures are much more likely to harm legitimate bulk-emailers than they are to take down serious, hardcore spammers. Hardcore spammers use all kinds of tricks to hide their identity. The chances of anyone even bothering to track them down, much less succeeding, are relatively small. OTOH suppose you run a legitimate, double-opt-in email list: With many of the Anti-SPAM measures introduced, the burden of proof is on YOU. If you're legit enough to use your own email addy and not spoof your headers, YOU are the one who's going to get called to the carpet - not the cheaters who hide behind layers of protection. Don't think it won't happen. I have a mainstream website with a teenie, tiny, totally double-opt-in mailing list. I send out newsletters about once every six months, just to remind subscribers that we're still around. Last time I sent out a newsletter, I got back a message from a totally irate subscriber, demanding to know how on God's Green Earth I'd managed to find the wherewithal to violate his sacred email box (yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but only a very little bit). I sent back a personal email reminding him he'd asked to subscribe, along with the unsubscribe link and a personal promise to unsubscribe him myself if he wasn't comfortable clicking the link. I never heard back. I unsubscribed him anyway. Asshole. But I digress... Anyway, to summarize: I hate SPAM I hate unnecessary laws even more than I hate SPAM

2003-11-25, 09:26 AM	#12
JohnnyUtah Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 18	Trust me...its never going away. We get calls here at the office... Allmost to unreal to beleive... We get death threats, bomb threats, people wanting to kill our pets, burn our office down, burn our houses down, attack our network. Then we ask the mailer (our client) if it was opt-in. He replies with the guys IP, date, time, site he entered his info. Then you confront the accuser... and or course, he doesnt reply back, Or he totally forgot about joining that letter. These laws are only gonna hurt legit webmasters. I dont think no spammer has ever used his real header for mailing. Those laws are not gonna solve anything. __________________ Rock Solid Canadian Hosting www.bullhosting.com Us laws scaring you? Contact us today!

2003-11-25, 11:01 AM	#14
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	30 million a month? Lets suppose that you send out a million emails to a list..... and the response rate is similar to junk mail, which is about 2.5%. That is 25,000 people who are going to maybe click that link...... then let's suppose out of the 25,000 people 2.5% actually buy something. That 625 sales @ a figure of about $20 per sale. That's $12,500 per email. Hypothetically speaking a spammer may send out 1 email per day.... which brings in a grand monthly total of $375,000 per month. So to make 30 million, a spammer would have to send 80 emails per day. __________________

2003-11-25, 12:27 PM	#16
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	Mabe it was 3 milion it was in newsweek last week so its a reliable source

2003-11-25, 12:54 PM	#17
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Spam won't go away until they replace SMTP (the mail protocol) with something a little more secure and less easily spoofed. Right now it is too easy to hide behind open relays, faked headers, and freebie redirection services so that the actual sending cannot be found. Tommy, there are a couple of spammers (like Alan Ralsky) who claim to be making really big dollars. They are running anywhere between 5 and 20 campaigns per day, sending tens of millions of emails per day. Even a low return rate is profitable. However, as companies like AOL, MSN, and Earthlink work to block out more spam, it makes it harder for these people to make money. Over time, the return per email sent is dropping. More importantly, there is a serious lack of new product for them to promote, so all you are seeing now is an endless parade of penis patches, diet drugs, and model RC cars. That also leads to fewer and fewer buyers per email sent. This will cotninue to lower the value of spam as a marketing tool. I was hoping that the spam law was going to work to punish the beneficiaries of the spam (the programs that actually process for these spammers) and stop the demand for spam. Alex

2003-11-25, 06:30 PM	#19
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	plus dosent it say we can spam all we want as long as we include a po box??? i can go get a po box, does that mean i can send 2 million emails a day??? this law makes now sence. well, i dont get much spam so it doesnt bother me i hate pop-ups and hijackers. esspecially when i am checking stats lol. why do some sposors pop-up their sites to us who get the content for free??? maybe i am crazy but not only is it annoying as hell, what kind of marketing plan is that if you already have the content and sell it why would you buy it???